Gardai proposals to ban firearms

Cass

13,500 legal handguns in a population of 1.8 million.

Down here it's 680 out of 4.5 million.

As for the troubles, no one in the North was subject to a temporary custody order.

Cass

Please break down firearm license numbers, to firearm owners, etc.

Cass

Yes. Ask them.

Witcher

Origin of Corbally brothers gun called out.

Cass

Nice one. AGS, DoJ, will not answer us, Deputy Collins, and now the chair of the review committee has said that even he was not answered.

Cass

Good man Mulcahy.

Just said the real experts are sitting in front of him, and he does not believe AGS have that level of expertise.

Witcher

Lol even the chairman asked and didnt get an asnwer :pac:

Grizzly 45

Tony Mulcahy doing a very good job.Some hints taken aboard.;)

Cass

Outdated PULSE system, applications lost, paperwork taking more than 3 months to be processed, application time taken from when they enter it onto PULSE, and NOT when it's handed in, etc.

It's why AGS need the administration taken from them. They are overwhelmed.

knockon

Crofton and Co are on fire. Excellent so far.

Cass

Deputy Stanton has gone on record to say Minister Fitzgerald gave her assurances we will be involved. So if she breaks that it looks bad. Not much, but something.

Cass

Here we go. Refusals on FCA1's with no basis.

Grizzly 45

bottom line as too why they want to change this.
Money,power and fear.

Cass

Seemed to get caught up is his own thoughts and lost sight of the question for second?

Grizzly 45

Declan just put it on the line.. Chairman made the point of waste of court time,Farrel has said it to and now is off on CSI stuff.:P

Cass

But what about the applications that went over the 3 months, but were eventually granted after 5, 6, 9, 12 months.

As for the CSI stuff. Well CS Healy said it's too expensive. As did Minister Fitzgerald.

daragh8008

zero cost solutions!

Cass

That's all she wrote.

Not too bad, not bad at all. We were calm, concise, factual and for what it's worth seemed to rubbish the previous "stats", and educate the members on some basics.

Bogwoppit

I think all the answers were very well presented.

I was impressed at the professionalism.

homerhop

Well done lads, I think they put things across on a precise and easily understood manner

yubabill1

I think Flood came across really exceptionally clear, reasonable and logical. Especially good with finian McGrath question.
That took self control to the extreme - can see why he shoots so well.
Yuba

Grizzly 45

The morning is ours!!That went very well and there are now some VERY serious questions for AGS to answer.Think we also gained an ally from an unusual source,and identified the hostiles.[Mc Grath and Kenny].We gave options and solutions as well and came across as reasonable knowageable people.

Keep it cool and calm and on the same line and we will carry the day!;)
To those about to rock this afternoon we salute you!

Wadi14

right some of us have to work, lol I wont get to see the afternoon session is it possible to watch it later this evening somewhere, well done to those involved this morning and I know the guys in the afternoon will do well to.

yubabill1

Still waiting to hear from members of the public who responded to the call for submissions to the Justice Committee in thejournal.ie and irish examiner.

cw67irl

Great job to the lads today. Got their point across. Highlighting exaggerated numbers, the false claims over the Corbally Murder Weapon although I noticed the chair put a stop to Mulcahy when he questioned misinformation being supplied to the committee.

Well done to all.

SVI40

Well, that went extremely well. Articulate, factual, and options to the proposals given, instead of just rubbishing the report.

Well done to all involved.

g00167015

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

The morning is ours!!That went very well and there are now some VERY serious questions for AGS to answer.Think we also gained an ally from an unusual source,and identified the hostiles.[Mc Grath and Kenny].We gave options and solutions as well and came across as reasonable knowageable people.

Keep it cool and calm and on the same line and we will carry the day!;)
To those about to rock this afternoon we salute you!

I was unable to catch the entire morning sitting of the committee, however I must say I was impressed by the submissions and replies which I managed to see. Their concise delivery and the ability to back up their statements with established facts was like a breath of fresh air, in contrast to (not related to firearms legislation) the appearances of senior Gardai and the former Commissioner before the PAC last year along with AGS appearances before other committees which, for the most part, have been farcical in the extreme with ambiguous and often innaccurate assertions being backed up by the most dubious of 'expert' statistics etc.

I did however find it irksome to hear the use of terms like 'assault-rifle' etc and assertions vaguely implying that sportspersons are inextricably linked with gangland and other homicides. The ignorance of more than one committee member I found distressing in that regard. There was commendable self control shown in response to some of these questions and I was impressed at the concise and forthright input given by the representatives in reply to these and other questions following their initial submissions.

I look forward to the afternoon sitting and congratulate the representatives of our sporting interests/organisations for the excellent job they did this morning. Their cup of tayyyyyyyy is thoroughly well deserved :-)

G

yubabill1

I thought the committee were more thoughtful wrt shooters this time and there were no egregious comments. Thought Finian Mcgrath could have phrased his q a bit more respectfully, but the question of public safety DOES have to be discussed and I think it was handled in-depth today.

Absolutely gobsmacked by Ivana Bacik.

then again, we ARE a minority and Labour are big on social inclusion. She could probably identify with the minority thing.

Sparks

yubabill1 wrote: »

Absolutely gobsmacked by Ivana Bacik.

then again, we ARE a minority and Labour are big on social inclusion. She could probably identify with the minority thing.

Don't think of that as a bad question ;it was probably the best favour we were done today. Hard to portray a sport with high levels of gender equality as a bunch of redneck yahoo's which is what mcgrath tried.

knockon

No pressure Sparks & Gunhappy but the morning session was outstanding. Good luck to all this afternoon.

Dail Bar for lunch?

Sparks

knockon wrote: »

No pressure Sparks & Gunhappy but the morning session was outstanding. Good luck to all this afternoon.

Dail Bar for lunch?

God no, do you think I'm made of money? :-D

yubabill1

Sparks wrote: »

Don't think of that as a bad question ;it was probably the best favour we were done today. Hard to portray a sport with high levels of gender equality as a bunch of redneck yahoo's which is what mcgrath tried.

Gobsmacked because she didn't try to tear us a new one.

meathstevie

Don't know why you're surprised with Ivana Bacik. She's one very intelligent lady who is well able to listen to grounded argument and make up her mind accordingly. By the way I'm not a Labour member or supporter.

Grizzly 45

She would have if she had heard and seen a " Portmarnock Golf club " attitude.What women in the members bar??Are you joking dear girl?? Pfft..You 'll be wanting the vote next" Once she heard women in shooting programme,gender neutral,women have an advantage, etc .She was sold.She is as hot and as passionate on those issues as we are on firearms.

homerhop

Wonder what dirty tricks AGS are going to have to pull out after that one

yubabill1

Whatever about who is for/against us on the Justice Committee, the Chairman mentioned consultation beyond this process, once again this morning.

These proposals don't merit the amount of time/effort that have gone into them, but I reckon they need to find a fig leaf, even if the fig leaf is a general election.

Dead in the water IMHO.

break a leg this afternoon, guys. Won't be able to watch live, but will be back at teatime.

Yuba

meathstevie

homerhop wrote: »

Wonder what dirty tricks AGS are going to have to pull out after that one

I wouldn't say dirty tricks but there's still a generation of senior people in that organisation that don't understand that the argument "Because we say so and we're the Gardai" doesn't work anymore as evidenced by a glut of District Court findings in favour of firearm owners in the recent past.

homerhop

meathstevie wrote: »

I wouldn't say dirty tricks but there's still a generation of senior people in that organisation that don't understand that the argument "Because we say so and we're the Gardai" doesn't work anymore as evidenced by a glut of District Court findings in favour of firearm owners in the recent past.

Afraid its not just the senior ones, having a few family members in it its alive and well in the younger generation too

Grizzly 45

If they have that kind of "I'm da law! and you will respect my authorithy no matter what !" attitude.Then they really have no place being in a uniform or having any sort of authorithy at all,I'm sorry to say.We have had enough abuse of power to last us a lifetime in this country whether in or out of uniform.We give people guns and power because they are supposed to be responsible calm and level headed,not bullies with them.

homerhop

I put it down to conditioning that they get in Templemore.

Cass

Round 2 about to commence.

Sparks

Almost time...

homerhop

it live yet?

Cass

nope

Cass

here we go

Cass

fecking buffering, internet signal is dying here.

Cass

Nice one, we don't want to have to see you for forty years.

Grizzly 45

NICE ONE Chairman!! Firearms and weapons..:D[good work Gun happy and Grizz.:D]

Witcher

Punch a hole though an engine in a car?

Grizzly 45

Shotguns can punch holes in engine blocks..:eek: JC what are you on???