Gardai proposals to ban firearms

clawback07

LikeTheseOdds wrote: »

I think you're talking about the petition by the Sports coalition? If so it's on their website. sportscoalition org Sorry I can't link it in full it's under the petition and submission tab .

Many thanks for that ,going to check it out . I'm following this debate with great interest and trying to find out as much as I can as I appear to be coming in on this at a very advanced stage .

yubabill1

Sparks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Finianmcgrathtd/status/565430816629874689


Harumph.

@Finianmcgrathtd Helpful hint: I think someone has been feeding you out of date info about firearms legislation.

Grizzly 45

turismo2142 wrote: »

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This means that "disingenous and ill-founded concerns" (AKA lies if you wish me to put it simply) have been expressed (as far as I have read) throughout the working group proposals (and in Oireachtais submissions the AGS) re handguns and centre fire rifles. Shotguns haven't even been attacked with any such "disingenous and ill-founded concerns" (AKA lies) (in the report) other than a general "we want to ban those manufactured to hold more than three cartridges" aswell. That's all it means. Supportive of your position ironically.

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THANK you!!! Thats all I wanted to know....The way it was worded it sounded like you were having an under handed pop at pistols and rifles. Thanks for clearing that point.

I watched the Oireachtais committee online. I'm aware of the SPAS 15 scenario. Another example of a scary gun which with a two shot mag which is no differnt in function to my hunting Beretta A400 (except it's awkward looking and heavier...but if it's to his taste...so be it). I saw what was said re shotguns. I still am concerned that it hasn't gotten enough air relative to the other aspects.

Not much we can do about it .We had the comittee and they didnt bring it up.You can send more info to them about it.It is certainly being highlighted that this is a non runner and that the evilll scary black genuine "asault shotguns" are proably all of about...a dozen here,if at that??i know personally of only four of them in this country two SPAS and two Saiga 12s,both of those in Garda custody in Galway.

I I feel passionate about what I say here and I joined Boards solely to try and do something about this whole unfair scenario.

And no one ,least of all me, is objecting to that in anyway.

So by all means continue to quote and query my post and misinterpret what I've said. I think you'll find your language to be inflammatory and your approach unwelcoming of newcommers who are most certainly equally entitled to express views.

I called you on a point that was very obtuse about your anger,and seemed to be an underhand snipe at pistols and semis for getting more limelight than shotguns and that somebody said something that could be interperted any which way,and no doubt will be by the media about lack of brotherly love and support for game shooters by target shooters and stated in reply that there are more problems between both factions who have members that are too lazy not to sign the petition[a more serious problem IMHO],I asked you to explain it in some more clarity which you did and you take this as a personal attack???Oh pleaseee!!!

I made an observation and expressed annoyance. You don't agree and felt the urge to call my views petty. So be i

NEVER said or implied it was petty!!If that is your take on it,I cant help that.
You feel that I am trying to make little of it,I'm not.It was indeed a silly thing to say,but we dont know why,who or in what context this was said,or even was this conversation pre recorded and edited badly,be it by accident or design..Happens every day in the media.

I do not want to fall out with anyone here. That includes you Grizzly as you strike me as very passionate about the whole affair and you're making sterling efforts to fight your corner against downright unfairness. But I stand by my observations.

When you have been in enough court rooms either with your own liscenses in the ring at 1500 euros a pop .Or supporting fellow shooters and friends,and being in this game 38 years,[39 next month]....34 of them under a virtual dictatorship of the shooting sports by a paranoid police force and successive indifferent govts,as well as trying in that time to get practical shotgun going,but be met with indifference from the shooting community in the days before the interweb...You tend to get passionate about this and rather defensive about things..:)
No one is critiquing your observations,we just have to understand them.:)

black powder colt

How long do you think it will be before our dear leaders pass sentence on the law abiding community.Is this uncertainty going to drag on for months.

turismo2142

So are we friends now Griz? :-)

Lol

Who the hell is charging you €1,500 a pop for a DC hearing?

What you guys need to do is get a few sympathetic lawyers on board who won't screw you for a two hour district court hearing. Although it is a rather specialised area I suppose.

Grizzly 45

Thats the "frequent appeleant" rate down here mate!:P Excluding junior counsel..He's another 500 quid.BUT worth every last damn cent he has a 96% success rate in all the Munster region cases.At this stage we have a well clued in legal team and well clued in expert witness[es] who are well up on the" DC shuffle":P

A two hour DC hearing??Thats a good one..A few of these have gone on for over three full DAYS! Debating right down to the nitty gritty of the "target Vs combat" sights on the gun and whether an established static shooting sport of WA1500 is actually "combat training."Despite having HC and numerous DC court cases proving that it is not the AGS and state still insist it is!!"Because we said it is so there!":rolleyes:

It certainly is the Ultima Ratio[Final arguement] in these situations and we now find ourselves at "end times" because the aGS couldnt win and with the DC rules changing that the Cheif /Supers are now liable for the court costs if they lose.They are trying to change the game on the pitch.After Oct 10th in Limerick where they lost 6 cases at about a total of 30 grand,[two of them were my cases and they still owe my solrs ten grand!]isnt it a unique coincidence that within a month they are looking to ban all types of firearms that have featured in these cases.This is the simple crux of all this....MONEY! It was no skin off their noses to go to court for a days doss off and expenses out of the office,wasnt coming out of their budgets and it was the tax payer footing the bill .Now,when there is a good chance of having a bloody hunk ripped off their noses in court and having to pony up about five grand per loss out of the division budget....They are crying foul and running to their mummies Frannie and Noreen to sort out the big bullies of Irish gun owners .:rolleyes:
It is literally THAT simple and childish!

homerhop

The reporter made a reference to individuals in Harbour House downing (to some extent) pheasant shooting.

I was at HH when the interviews were being held and I never heard anyone mentioning it being safer than pheasant shooting.
Des Crofton was there too and was also interviewed, he gave a very good interview actually and it was never aired.
The reporter also refereed to Sharon Reidy who he interviewed on the day as a hobby shooter. At no stage did Sharon say she was only doing it as a hobby, he was actually told how she shoots competitively both nationally and internationally, had a European gold medal and was hoping to go to Australia later this year for the benchrest world championship.

Heckler

homerhop wrote: »

I was at HH when the interviews were being held and I never heard anyone mentioning it being safer than pheasant shooting.
Des Crofton was there too and was also interviewed, he gave a very good interview actually and it was never aired.
The reporter also refereed to Sharon Reidy who he interviewed on the day as a hobby shooter. At no stage did Sharon say she was only doing it as a hobby, he was actually told how she shoots competitively both nationally and internationally, had a European gold medal and was hoping to go to Australia later this year for the benchrest world championship.

Thought that was odd about Sharon Reidy as well. As long as I've known her shes always shot competitively.

LB6

turismo2142 wrote: »

That said when speaking to reporters who've clearly been invited to the club for the purposes of making their point (and have done so very well) I think it's rather incumbant upon them not to say things admonishing other shooting disciplines to a journalist who's job it is to report what they've seen and head. Perhaps it was naive of them to do so but do so they did.

I was there - nobody said anything of the sort - it was an off the cuff remark by the reporter himself who threw it into to the end of the conversation with SOR. Nobody "admonished" any other shooting disciplines.

So your comment "naive of them to do so but do so they did" is incorrect.

Thank you.
LB6 (Sharon)

Grizzly 45

Why is it anytime I hear of media and firearms anywhere on the planet and even when its supposedly pro gun.Glen Frey's song "Dirty Laundry" starts playing in my mind?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

We can do the Innuendo
We can dance and sing
When it's said and done
We haven't told you a thing
We all know that Crap is King
Give us dirty laundry

turismo2142

LB6 wrote: »

I was there - nobody said anything of the sort - it was an off the cuff remark by the reporter himself who threw it into to the end of the conversation with SOR. Nobody "admonished" any other shooting disciplines.

So your comment "naive of them to do so but do so they did" is incorrect.

Thank you.
LB6 (Sharon)

Well if it's the case that something is being said to have been said which wasn't then that's an entirely different matter...I had to assume that it wasn't being made up.

He sounded fair and reasonable in the way he reported so one has to assume he wasn't liable to imagine conversations with club members.

Do you mind if I ask you what you thought of his reort then Sharon?

LB6

You honestly don't want to know what I thought of him personally. As for his report it was fair enough. He neglected to air Des Croftons interview also which of all of us was the best. It's hard to ignore facts when they're said to you one on one, so much easier no to air it.

turismo2142

So we got the city v country political clown shootout instead.

Poor old Des couldn't compete with that for entertainment value unfortunately.

I don't know, it must be all very frustrating...

Sparks

https://twitter.com/Finianmcgrathtd/status/565806269962149888

Some within the gun lobby should learn a bit of manners. Public safety . Get it.

homerhop

Sparks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Finianmcgrathtd/status/565806269962149888

A vile man if ever

mrbrianj

Shocking!
Gun Lobby, Public safety, any other straw men for him to burn down?

Its so easy for these guys to ignore the facts and reality. Are we governed by soundbites and bull****?

Imagine this guy going to the parents of a victim of a drugs related killing, he wont be saying he stood by as Garda stations were closed. Manners!! he should show some respect and stop fooling the people he represents.

Grizzly 45

Its so easy for these guys to ignore the facts and reality. Are we governed by soundbites and bull****?

Sadly we are....

. Manners!! he should show some respect and stop fooling the people he represents.

I guess the people he represents and voted him in have very low expectations in life.. Suhre what could you expect from a pig but a grunt?

Sparks

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Suhre what could you expect from a pig but a grunt?

Bacon.
And given that we pay for both this TD's salary and the pig, I think the pig's a better bargain in this case.

meathstevie

Yesterday 11/2/15 there were reports on RTE radio news relating to seized submachine guns and short firearms by AGS ( congratulations for a job well done by the way ).

Can Mr "Public Safety" McGrath enlighten us how the shambles up for discussion is going to protect society from rabid criminals with full automatic firearms ?

I'd like to see an answer especially since Mr McGrath TD didn't appear to have one iota of knowledge on what can and can't be licenced if the committee footage was anything to go by.

By the way, if public safety is such a predominant concept on his mind he can always go after golf clubs, butcher shops, hardware stores, the motor trade, motorbike repair shops etc etc. When he's finished with the evil belt fed shotguns that fire 17000 lethal Glock rounds a minute.

All use, sell or have equipment that at some stage has been used to maliciously inflict injury or is the firearms fetish just because Mr McGrath TD secretly thinks guns are cool ?

yubabill1

From http://www.banbloodsports.com/views.htm

"Finian McGrath and Maureen O'Sullivan have told the Herald that they are determined to see stag hunting ended. Both say that blood sports are entirely wrong and should be stamped out as soon as possible..."To me it's animal cruelty. To see deer caught in barbed wire, bruised, bleeding, hurt," she told the Herald. "I don't consider it sport to terrify animals, the hounds baying. In some cases they are going after domesticated deer. They are often killed through exhaustion. It's ludicrous." Evening Herald, June 29 2010.

On 27th March 2013, Maureen O'Sullivan presented/supported amendments to the Animal Health and Welfare Bill which sought to outlaw hare coursing, foxhunting, terrierwork, digging-out, ferreting and fur farming.

Nekarsulm

Approx 6000 people in this country die every year from Smoking related diseases.
That's about 16 every day.
No votes in banning cigarettes though!

sfakiaman

Look on the bright side lads and lassies, at least Mcgrath is not on our side

Sparks

Yup. Point out the facts and figures and he looks silly.
Whereas with Healy-Rae, point out the facts and figures and *we* look stupid...

Grizzly 45

Meantime in the really real world the criminals are importing these types of guns along with a few million euros street value worth of heroin.[pic from Journal.ie article today12/2/15]
HK Mp5's a AUG,[9mm thats a first] a Beretta 92 F with a silencer and a HK something or other.
A drop in the freakin Irish drug trade supply,and tools like Mc Grath and the nodding donkies are worried about OUR guns??Watch now no doubt they'll proably say these types of guns are easily available and are held by Irish gun owners once the comittee goes off to visit the ballistics section.:rolleyes:

Sparks

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

say these types of guns are easily available and are held by Irish gun owners once the comittee goes off to visit the ballistics section.:rolleyes:

They were in there this morning. Don't think McGrath was with them. They should all have gone on to Harbour House afterwards, but apparently not everyone went (Kenny was tweeting from the Dail).

Grizzly 45

Thought they were going to HH first???:( Would have been better to see the civvie stuff first,than be shown a bunch of AK 47s and what not and be assured by the nice Gardai that we are all trying to liscense belt fed M60s and forcing the poor Gaurds to liscense them by the courts...Opportunity lost there IMO to get our story in first.

Sparks

Not sure there Grizzly, I know HH are up to their tonsils in it today between the committee and the prime time people, but I didn't see any reports from the committee members aside from Farrell this morning and he was only talking about Garda HQ.

Witcher

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Thought they were going to HH first???:( Would have been better to see the civvie stuff first,than be shown a bunch of AK 47s and what not and be assured by the nice Gardai that we are all trying to liscense belt fed M60s and forcing the poor Gaurds to liscense them by the courts...Opportunity lost there IMO to get our story in first.

It's actually better that HH was second because any of that could be corrected by the lads there, instead of them going to HH...seeing firearms like ours then going to the Phoenix Park and the guards trying to convince them they were lied to and X and Y could be licenced leaving us no chance to correct it.

Sparks

Hopefully the Committee will also travel out to the Midlands to see the reloading setup there; that'd give them a second look at our side of things. The more they see of the differences between what the AGS are displaying from the drugs haul in Cork today and what we do, the better.

yubabill1

Sparks wrote: »

Not sure there Grizzly, I know HH are up to their tonsils in it today between the committee and the prime time people, but I didn't see any reports from the committee members aside from Farrell this morning and he was only talking about Garda HQ.

Am I correct in assuming that RTE are making a report?