Dog friendly restaurants in Co. Dublin

Ashbx

ammollo85 wrote: »

The toilet flush thing is just for old buildings and it makes sense. Shops closed once a week is also a thing here. What are you talking about?

Because things are the way they are it doesn't mean that they are right or optimal. Find me a scientific evidence of why letting dogs in is a problem, provided that such dogs are clean and well behaved.

OP, nearly every comment you have made here is ridiculing Ireland and to be honest, it makes me not want to help you. If your looking for advise, try not to offend the locals. I have a list of restaurants and cafes that allow dogs. If you do your homework, you will find there are MANY out there that do allow pets - infact there is a thread on this which is specifically for dog friendly places. I understand its a stupid rule.....I would love to bring my dog with me to get a coffee or for when I go for a bite to eat but its just the way it is and you have to deal with it.

looking_around

Ashbx wrote: »

Pretty sure dogs are not allowed on trains, buses or taxis actually unless they are in a carrier.

A dog that can sit on your lap, IS allowed on trains here. Others can be in the carriage, but you have to pay, and they have to be in a crate.
They are technically not allowed on buses.

Taxi, well, taxi discretion, being that it's often their own car etc.

Dubl07

Ashbx wrote: »

OP, nearly every comment you have made here is ridiculing Ireland and to be honest, it makes me not want to help you. If your looking for advise, try not to offend the locals. I have a list of restaurants and cafes that allow dogs. If you do your homework, you will find there are MANY out there that do allow pets - infact there is a thread on this which is specifically for dog friendly places. I understand its a stupid rule.....I would love to bring my dog with me to get a coffee or for when I go for a bite to eat but its just the way it is and you have to deal with it.

It's difficult to 'do nuance' in a second language. I don't think the OP was being too hard on Ireland, just a bit bewildered about why we're so backward.

I can't even find a national dog owners' association which might lobby regarding legislation pertaining to the rights and responsibilities of those of us who have loved, well-behaved dogs that we might like to take with us into pubs, supermarkets and other situations.

ammollo85

Ridiculing Ireland was not my intention. You need to understand that English is just my third language.
I just can't understand why dog owners are sometimes considered 2nd class citizens, that's all. This has nothing to do with Ireland or the wonderful hospitality of Irish people.
This is exactly why I am confused about the position on dogs.

tk123

looking_around wrote: »

A dog that can sit on your lap, IS allowed on trains here. Others can be in the carriage, but you have to pay, and they have to be in a crate.
They are technically not allowed on buses.

Taxi, well, taxi discretion, being that it's often their own car etc.

No use to those of us with big dogs though - I'd be like Harry Potter wheeling the crate on a trolley down the platform:P

jester77

SingItOut wrote: »

Obviously hairs fall off your dog, whether it's short or long hair, of course when a door is opened the hairs are going to blow everywhere, stick to clothes and in turn stay on the table. :rolleyes: my dogs are not allowed on the table yet their hairs are still there.

I have lived in Germany for over 15 years, eat out a few times a week and it's rare that there isn't a dog in a restaurant. And in all those years I have yet to see dog hairs on chairs or tables and most definitely not in my food. There are even a few dogs here in my office every day.

Dogs are well groomed and extremely well behaved here. I have never seen 2 dogs barking at each when they walk by in a restaurant, they might stand up and show a bit of interest but they will quickly sit down again when their owner tells them to.

However, I would not like to have dogs in a restaurant in Ireland. Owners in Ireland are very different and dogs in general are nowhere near as well behaved. No one wants dogs barking at each in a restaurant when out for a meal.

looking_around

tk123 wrote: »

No use to those of us with big dogs though - I'd be like Harry Potter wheeling the crate on a trolley down the platform:P

http://www.irishrail.ie/travel-information/travelling-with-animals

Accompanied dogs, other than those described above, can only be conveyed on Intercity services in a Guards Van (non-passenger compartment) if available (e.g. Dublin/Cork and Dublin/Belfast services only). Charges will apply.

You would have to pay

Whispered

looking_around wrote: »

Taxi, well, taxi discretion, being that it's often their own car etc.

Yep it' at the drivers discretion and I've never had an issue, although I don't do it often by any means! However, I'd imagine that they would insist on a carrier or harness to comply with the law. As far as I know it's compulsory to have dogs securely contained/restrained when travelling.

SingItOut

Ashbx wrote: »

Pretty sure dogs are not allowed on trains, buses or taxis actually unless they are in a carrier.

I never had a carrier for my terrier. I just carried her and never any problem no problem. It does say on irish rail that they need to be in a carrier but I was never stopped.

AgileMyth

ammollo85 wrote: »

You just say no? o.O

You think management trust their staff to make that call? Or that staff have time to inspect dogs before letting them in?

No. Far easier to ban them altogether.

SingItOut

jester77 wrote: »

However, I would not like to have dogs in a restaurant in Ireland. Owners in Ireland are very different and dogs in general are nowhere near as well behaved. No one wants dogs barking at each in a restaurant when out for a meal.

You can't tar all irish people with the same brush. I have sat outside restaurants with my dogs and had coffee/lunch and my dogs have ignored passers by, both human and canine. The majority of dog owners on this forum are responsible pet owners of well behaved and socialised dogs. The same goes for the train, my terrier sits on my knee and looks out the window for the whole journey minding her own business, she may have a little snooze while she at it.

sillysmiles

jester77 wrote: »

However, I would not like to have dogs in a restaurant in Ireland. Owners in Ireland are very different and dogs in general are nowhere near as well behaved. No one wants dogs barking at each in a restaurant when out for a meal.

This.
All of this!

I was recently amazed/delighted at a dog on the metro in Berlin. So adorable, so well behaved.

But in Ireland we in generally live differently than on the continent, and I'm not just talking about dog ownership. Rental laws better support the tenant . People live long term in city center apartments as a family.
Whereas here, apartments are frequently unsuitable for long term family life - people live centrally when younger and then move further away from the city centre as you mature, start a family. Look at the threads about people asking about dogs suitable for apartments and there is nearly always a comment about waiting until your situation improves and you can move to a better house. Lots of apartments don't allow pets/dogs.
Therefore, the requirement or trend to allow dogs in social settings is less and dogs are less used to this kind of environment and are often not as well behaved. It's a cycle. It's not just about dogs - its intergral to the way city life is here imo.
So essentially it comes back to - its different here.

sillysmiles

To be honest SingitOut, I don't think the pet owners on this forum are truly representative of dog owners in general in this country in that they are generally very well informed and interested in better socialising, training and interacting with their dog in a positive way.

looking_around

SingItOut wrote: »

I never had a carrier for my terrier. I just carried her and never any problem no problem. It does say on irish rail that they need to be in a carrier but I was never stopped.

no it doesn't.
if they're small enough to be in your lap, that's fine.

"Small dogs can be carried free of charge in the passenger compartment of services provided they travel on the owners lap. The dog must be kept on a lead at all times unless contained in a basket or in an appropriate container

http://www.irishrail.ie/travel-information/travelling-with-animals

daveyeh

It's just not the done thing here.

People don't want a dog present in a place that prepares and cooks their food, dogs are seen as smelly unhygenic overly energetic annoyances, with unpredictable tempers and toilet habits.

SingItOut

looking_around wrote: »

no it doesn't.
if they're small enough to be in your lap, that's fine.

"Small dogs can be carried free of charge in the passenger compartment of services provided they travel on the owners lap. The dog must be kept on a lead at all times unless contained in a basket or in an appropriate container

http://www.irishrail.ie/travel-information/travelling-with-animals

I was told in the train station in kilkenny that she had to be in a carrier. Clearly different rules online so.

looking_around

SingItOut wrote: »

I was told in the train station in kilkenny that she had to be in a carrier. Clearly different rules online so.

you may want to ask for their rule book in future, if she was on a lead and on your lap, no need for a carrier, this a case of the worker not knowing their own rules. (not uncommon.)

Karen91

daveyeh wrote: »

It's just not the done thing here.

People don't want a dog present in a place that prepares and cooks their food, dogs are seen as smelly unhygenic overly energetic annoyances, with unpredictable tempers and toilet habits.

Peoples attitude towards dogs in this country makes me laugh, my dog is cleaner than most people she is not smelly or unhygenic, if you want to go down the hygiene road how do you know the person in the kitchen preparing your food washed their hands after using the toilet? Maybe they have a cold, wiped their nose and then went on to prepare the food you ordered, perhaps they coughed on top of the food they are preparing.

My reply may seem abrupt, but as a dog owner I am sick of people and their negative remarks towards dogs.

boomerang

Triboro wrote: »

All to do with hygiene regardless of how clean a dog is,most people don't even let them into the house.

How is it any less hygenic to have a well-behaved dog in a restaurant, than people? You're more likely to catch something from someone who hasn't washed their hands. What is it exactly people are afraid of? The dog isn't going to put its nose in your food.

boomerang

SingItOut wrote: »

Obviously hairs fall off your dog, whether it's short or long hair, of course when a door is opened the hairs are going to blow everywhere, stick to clothes and in turn stay on the table.

What kind of freakish dog is this, whose hair wafts on and over everything? Has it brought a blaster with it from a grooming parlour? Even with two dogs and two cats in the house, I don't find pet hair in my food or drink. I've been restaurants plenty of times though where I found a human hair in my food. :eek:

boomerang

eviltwin wrote: »

Animals are unpredictable. I have two dogs and they are both well behaved but I can't guarantee they wouldn't bark, annoy other dogs or diners or engage in other annoying behaviour. For that reason I wouldn't inflict them on people trying to relax, it wouldn't be fair.

But that's not to say all dogs are disruptive. My greyhound would behave impeccably in a cafe and I'd only love to bring her with me. The other dog would definitely have to stay at home though or I wouldn't have a minute's peace! I think the kind of dog owner that is into their dog enough to want to bring it with them to a cafe knows themselves whether their particular dog would be a nuisance or not.

boomerang

tk123 wrote: »

No use to those of us with big dogs though - I'd be like Harry Potter wheeling the crate on a trolley down the platform:P

I brought a Golden Retriever up from Limerick once; he was going to a new home via rescue. He had to travel in a vari-kennel in the signal van. It was NOT fun trying to get off the train and up the platform with a GR and a giant vari-kennel and no one offered to help.

boomerang

tk123 I felt so sorry for him on his own in the signal van, I went and sat on the floor in there with him the whole way up.

tk123

boomerang wrote: »

What kind of freakish dog is this, whose hair wafts on and over everything? Has it brought a blaster with it from a grooming parlour? Even with two dogs and two cats in the house, I don't find pet hair in my food or drink. I've been restaurants plenty of times though where I found a human hair in my food. :eek:

We have cooking trays on top of our fridge and there's always hairs in them.. The new oven had hairs inside it the first time we went to use it even though the floors had been vacuumed and mopped before it went in lol! And I brush the dogs down at least twice a week!

boomerang

I've worked around animals so long, hairs don't bother me. Human hairs on the other hand... Wah! When I worked in our local sanctuary we shared the tea room with the office dogs and I never found a dog hair in my food. That, or the occurence was so inconsequential, I don't remember!

Dog hair *is* unhygenic as roundworm eggs can be carried in the coat - but that said I do think you guys are overstating the whole floating-hair-in-food thing. I'd be much more concerned about Jack Russell hair left after someone's been on the Luas or Irish Rail with their JRT... That stuff sticks to upholstery (and hence, the next passenger's clothing) like velcro!

boomerang

We should make an exception for greyhounds. They don't shed At All.

the dark phantom

ammollo85 wrote: »

Sure, I completely agree about dog behaviour, etc. That's why fines exist, which is how other parts of the EU deal with it successfully.

Successfully !! Its not in the Irish psyche. We do things awkwardly and expensively..

ammollo85 wrote: »

You just say no? o.O

That's too simple, It contradicts awkwardness.

AryaStark

ammollo85 wrote: »

You can travel with your dog on a train almost everywhere in mainland EU. My wife and I once went to Rome from Switzerland by train not long ago. Total cost for bringing our dog to Rome and around Italy: 0.

You can also bring a dog on the train in Ireland. I bring my Husky on the train everywhere and have never had to pay.

Well I bring her on the sligo line .. I love in westmeath and go to Dublin and Sligo with her (and places on the line) ... She has to have a muzzle(which hangs around her neck). I usually sit in the corridor with her and people come and say hello!!!

strandroad

ammollo85 wrote: »

Ridiculing Ireland was not my intention. You need to understand that English is just my third language.
I just can't understand why dog owners are sometimes considered 2nd class citizens, that's all. This has nothing to do with Ireland or the wonderful hospitality of Irish people.
This is exactly why I am confused about the position on dogs.

OP it seems that you are frustrated that there is no rule the way you're used to. It really is different in Ireland, though. There is no rule as such, either for or against dogs in cafes etc. Most places default to "fine outside, not inside", but there are exceptions (please also note that with no real winter like you had in Germany, "outside" is good enough for cafe/pub smokers all year round). You will find many exceptions though, there are plenty of rural pubs that allow dogs (because of farmers and their collies) and plenty of suburban cafes that allow dogs as well (because of dog walkers, "ladies who lunch" etc). In the city centre I've seen dogs in pubs and cafes too and LovinDublin list with comments alone gives you at least 20 places to try out. It's simply based on an individual business decision (often negotiation too - a question and a chat will usually take you far). You do come across as quite confrontational in your wording so perhaps due to the language barrier you're giving the owners a similar impression and they don't feel you'll be responsible for your dog.

As pointed above though, dogs are not really considered urban/apartment pets, but rather part of suburban lifestyle. City centre is dense, with small apartments, and you will find that it's more of a done thing to keep a cat or a pug/chihuahua if you live in town - with a larger/more lively dog you couldn't give them garden access or exercise them properly. Families or people who want to settle with larger/multiple pets would typically live in a house, not an apartment.

I fail to see how it's a bad thing though - myself I come from a country where it's a done thing to keep even large breeds in apartments, high rise blocks included. Dogs are not exercised properly and tend to get frisky over their shared territory. I actually find the Irish way infinitely better - you don't get a lively/larger dog until you have space and access to green outdoors right out of your gate. The flip side is that dogs are not considered urban pets, and urban life is not tailored for them. But if you take your dog for walks outside of the city centre, you'll find that plenty of places accommodate them, offer water bowls or treats, children will ask to pet them etc.

daveyeh

Karen91 wrote: »

Peoples attitude towards dogs in this country makes me laugh, my dog is cleaner than most people she is not smelly or unhygenic, if you want to go down the hygiene road how do you know the person in the kitchen preparing your food washed their hands after using the toilet? Maybe they have a cold, wiped their nose and then went on to prepare the food you ordered, perhaps they coughed on top of the food they are preparing.

My reply may seem abrupt, but as a dog owner I am sick of people and their negative remarks towards dogs.

I don't know if any particular individual working in a kitchen did or did not wash their hands, or wipe their nose, or cough on food. But I do know that they are aware that they are not supposed to. A dog relies on it's owner to set the rules, and many dog owners just don't bother.

And while you may think that your dog is perfect and it doesn't stink, other people might not agree. Many dog owners seem completely oblivious to the stench of dog in their own homes.

I don't think my original comment was negative, it was my take on peoples attitudes towards dogs. Maybe it has been interpreted by you as negative because it upsets you that many people see dogs as nothing but a smelly nuisance?