This is England '90 in 2015

briany

Shaun dodged a bullet with Smell. Imagine Smell at 45 years old, living in a council house with her something, with that nasally nagging voice.

Conor Bourke

Smell is (and always has been insufferable)

How has nobody noticed Combo's been missing for two months?

EDIT: here we go

soap1978

To many adds

memorystick

Smell reminds me of your one from Cornation Street.

briany

It's so rare that I watch TV live that I'm even finding the ads entertaining.

Big Game

Was there history with Combo and the two lads Milky's family handed him over to? He looked terrified when he realised that Milky's lot weren't just gonna give him a beating but don't know if that was because he recognised those two or just realised a bad situation had just gotten much worse.

Panthro

Kelly's a bit of a fcuktard.

Who did the lads in the van drop combo off to?

Heyup, adverts over

Lisha

5T3PH3N wrote: »

Heart racing before anything has happened...

It just feels all a bit like they are only tying up loose ends!
Is anyone else a bit disappointed?

power pants

Jon Stark wrote: »

They made Kelly pretty simplistic there in the end. The inevitable lashing out at Gadget and telling him he's not a mate like he views her.

not really

she knows herself she is ****ed. she is addicted to heroin now and knows she has made a mess of her life. What she was saying about not knowing what is going on in her head so how does he know, was her being honest

she's not on heroin like alot were due to partying too hard after a rave and needing something to take the edge off. shes on it as her head is a mess.

the turning point now is after she has left that house with the junkies. what does she do now

eigrod

Disappointed with the final episode. Not near as dramatic as I expected.

Panthro

I was hoping for a more explosive story line between milky and combo.
Nicely wrapped up otherwise.

Conor Bourke

That was kinda anticlimactic

GuessWhoEh

Just wow.

Smell will forever be my favourite. She was just too funny.

But wow.

Big Game

Lisha wrote: »

It just feels all a bit like they are only tying up loose ends!
Is anyone else a bit disappointed?

In fairness, there was a film plus ten episodes before this which is supposed to be the last episode they do, kind of had to tie up the loose ends.

They have left it open to a possible follow up though.

Expected it to be darker tbh.

Ash.J.Williams

Anyone recognise the white guys that took combo? Wonder what the story was

Tipsy McSwagger

Brilliant end and I'm misty eyed after watching it.

Lisha

Big Game wrote: »

In fairness, there was a film plus ten episodes before this which is supposed to be the last episode they do, kind of had to tie up the loose ends.

They have left it open to a possible follow up though.

Expected it to be darker tbh.

Yes you are right re the loose ends.
I did expect it to be darker too.

Ash.J.Williams

ah i got it....i'd say banjos mates were involved

Lisha

Actually what I think I wanted was for Kelly to tell the full story about her Dad. Think it's the only way she would fully heal.
But then Milky would have had the compounded guilt of knowing who killed someone who had done a selfless act.
Actually if Kelly could have told milky first then it possibly could have saved combo. And enabled them all to live free-er lives..... But I suppose who is tying up loose ends too easily now !

Laurel_Patente

Phew, a bit of an emotional rollercoaster again...

I loved it, felt like it wrapped up everything perfectly. It just showed that Lol really was the emotional heart and centrepiece of this wonderful programme. Even in the scenes she wasn't in tonight, it somehow came back to her. For all of us that watched her suffer through '86 and '88 in particular, to see her finally happy was truly wonderful. Vicky McClure is a star and will hopefully go from strength to strength.

I was so worried when Kelly was left in the house with the drugs den, I thought there was a big scrap about to develop, but I'm so glad she found redemption, even if it's left open ended as to whether she will truly be ok. The talking down given to Gadget by Harvey and Kelly was tough to watch but it'll serve to toughen him up on his way to maturity.

Combo tried to show redemption to Milky but words just weren't enough, realistically, even if he has changed, nothing he could ever say could definitely prove to him (and to his wider family) that he was truly sorry. Unfortunately, the guilt is for Milk to carry around with him now.

Delighted for Shaun getting his happy ending, and for Meggy, Pob, & Trudy (getting suck into Higgy!) to return for the big wedding!

Overall, the series perhaps didn't reach the heights of '86, but it had some wonderful performances from the previously unheralded actors playing Kelly, Gadget, Chrissie, and Harvey.

As much as I'll miss the show, I really hope Shane Meadows leaves it at that, and goes on to make more groundbreaking drama

Now, I'm off to do some sniffbanging with Des Walker...

spud82

What was the name of the song they played when Lol and Kelly came into the room?

biZrb

spud82 wrote: »

What was the name of the song they played when Lol and Kelly came into the room?

I'm pretty sure its Berlin Song by Ludovico Einaudi

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/this-is-england-90/articles/all/music

Big Game

Laurel_Patente wrote: »

Phew, a bit of an emotional rollercoaster again...

I loved it, felt like it wrapped up everything perfectly. It just showed that Lol really was the emotional heart and centrepiece of this wonderful programme. Even in the scenes she wasn't in tonight, it somehow came back to her. For all of us that watched her suffer through '86 and '88 in particular, to see her finally happy was truly wonderful. Vicky McClure is a star and will hopefully go from strength to strength.

I was so worried when Kelly was left in the house with the drugs den, I thought there was a big scrap about to develop, but I'm so glad she found redemption, even if it's left open ended as to whether she will truly be ok. The talking down given to Gadget by Harvey and Kelly was tough to watch but it'll serve to toughen him up on his way to maturity.

Combo tried to show redemption to Milky but words just weren't enough, realistically, even if he has changed, nothing he could ever say could definitely prove to him (and to his wider family) that he was truly sorry. Unfortunately, the guilt is for Milk to carry around with him now.

Delighted for Shaun getting his happy ending, and for Meggy, Pob, & Trudy (getting suck into Higgy!) to return for the big wedding!

Overall, the series perhaps didn't reach the heights of '86, but it had some wonderful performances from the previously unheralded actors playing Kelly, Gadget, Chrissie, and Harvey.

As much as I'll miss the show, I really hope Shane Meadows leaves it at that, and goes on to make more groundbreaking drama

Now, I'm off to do some sniffbanging with Des Walker...

Don't think that was Meggy at the wedding, didn't the producer say the character died in 1987 between the 86 and 88 series. Thought there was someone who looked like him there, thought it might be his and Trudy's kid initially but he'd not have grown that much in 4 years.

power pants

I thought it was meggy too. :pac:

biZrb

I'm so glad the last episode wasn't as dark as I expected it to me. Glad there was so many happy endings.

Gadget and Harvey clinking their glasses and kissing, Smels jealously, Woodys parents & his high five to the priest made me laugh so much.

Gwynplaine

spud82 wrote: »

What was the name of the song they played when Lol and Kelly came into the room?

Berlin song. Just downloaded it there now, lovely song.

patmac

Brilliant TV, great acting, great storyline fair play to all involved.

briany

As far as anti-climax goes, I think you have to remember that TiE is basically about ordinary people, living in a bleak and dreary looking anytown part of England. Oftentimes, events are framed dramatically, but they're really things that happen every day, so for events to be resolved in a low-key way, or for questions to be left unanswered fits in perfectly with the storytelling TiE is trying to do.

Combo's story arc, while sad, did deviate from this a little bit, and represents the biggest plot hole for me, on first viewing anyway. The exchange between Milky and Combo should have been more like,

Milky : Get in the car...

Combo : No!

Milky : Why not?

Combo : Because you and I both know I won't be coming back.

Fair enough if Milky's uncles kicked in Combo's door or something and took him, or those neo-Nazis did it, at least then he might have some chance of not merely vanishing off the face of the Earth to those who care about him. OK, he went quietly, he felt like he deserved it and all that, which made sense until he started screaming for his life. Frankly, if you were in Lol's shoes you'd be more than 'a bit suspicious'.

memorystick

Who were the 2 men who brought Combo from the van?

power pants

banjo and someone

whilst in the van when combo had his flashback it showed him bottling banjo when he did milky

Big Game

power pants wrote: »

banjo and someone

whilst in the van when combo had his flashback it showed him bottling banjo when he did milky

Wasn't Banjo. Dunno if they were NF lads that he had previous with but definitely wasn't Banjo.

briany

power pants wrote: »

banjo and someone

whilst in the van when combo had his flashback it showed him bottling banjo when he did milky

So...Banjo's like, 'You bottle me, and I kill you and bury you in a shallow grave.'? Seems a bit full on, especially since they seemed to be such great mates in the film and had been through a fair bit in prison by all accounts. One bottling cancels all that out? I dunno. I didn't catch whether it was or was not Banjo, but it seems like slightly weird storytelling if it was.

Laurel_Patente

Big Game wrote: »

Don't think that was Meggy at the wedding, didn't the producer say the character died in 1987 between the 86 and 88 series. Thought there was someone who looked like him there, thought it might be his and Trudy's kid initially but he'd not have grown that much in 4 years.

I think it was, his name and the actor's name was on the credits. Plus I think the producer said that tongue in check, didn't seem like a major plot point so they would've been fine to have him back in it.

Looper007

patmac wrote: »

Brilliant TV, great acting, great storyline fair play to all involved.

That scene in the café was a thing of beauty, Stephen Graham and Andrew Shim should be seen Bafta Nod's coming their way.

How frightening was that scene in the warehouse

For a character you hated in the film you end feeling sorry for Combo at the end of 90, he probably dies a horrible death

. I did like that Milky

Will forever be haunted by it that he knows Combo was sorry

it doesn't end nicely for him either, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up a alcoholic.

I did like that Meggy and Smell got a final scene, when did Smell turn into a bitch :pac: Shaun got a lucky escape and stunning girlfriend out of it. But wasn't she the innocent one and got cheated on. I guess it's fair to say She's not happy Shaun's over it as she clearly wanted him to suffer more. I did like that they actually show that Shaun has grown up a bit (the scene with his mum on the room was sweet plus been nice to Smell's new guy).

My one complaint, I wish Kelly and Gadget got one last scene together at the end, a part of me wanted them to get together :pac: Seen as he's been chasing her throughout the TV series. But I did like Kelly and Lol's scene.

I loved it didn't go anywhere where I was expecting really. Shane Meadow's pulls it off again. Now Shane back to making movies.

falan

Is combo dead or what?

power pants

briany wrote: »

So...Banjo's like, 'You bottle me, and I kill you and bury you in a shallow grave.'? Seems a bit full on, especially since they seemed to be such great mates in the film and had been through a fair bit in prison by all accounts. One bottling cancels all that out? I dunno. I didn't catch whether it was or was not Banjo, but it seems like slightly weird storytelling if it was.

maybe it wasnt him then. If it was he would be killing him for renouncing being in the NF and on orders to do so

Looper007

falan wrote: »

Is combo dead or what?

I think it's fair to say

Yep

MonkstownHoop

falan wrote: »

Is combo dead or what?

I'd say so

briany

Smell basically got lumbered with the goth kid from South Park.

Laurel_Patente

Looper007 wrote: »

My one complaint, I wish Kelly and Gadget got one last scene together at the end, a part of me wanted them to get together :pac: Seen as he's been chasing her throughout the TV series. But I did like Kelly and Lol's scene.

It would have been nice alright, but the point is that Gadget eventually realised that chasing after her was harming his self confidence and ability to grow up and mature, and after the telling off he got from both her and Harvey he is on the path to moving on with his life without her. As nice as it would have been, it wouldn't have made sense. Plus you have to leave Kelly's story open ended, it'd be too easy for her to come in and instantly be sound out to everyone, even if it showed her dancing with Trev and Harvey

Rjd2

power pants wrote: »

banjo and someone

whilst in the van when combo had his flashback it showed him bottling banjo when he did milky

Banjo was hanging around Milky in 86 as if nothing had ever happened. Correct me if wrong, but pretty sure Banjo held Milky down in the film beating, and was pretty horrid person.

It never made sense why he or Meggy were part of the gang in 86, bar Meadows wanting to give them employment.

Mister Jingles

Banjo held Shaun down when Combo was beating Milky up.

FelineOverLord

Not really the ending I was anticipating. That scene with Combo and the NF guys was chilling,

those screams were haunting and I think the way it was filmed leaving the gore to the imagination conjures up a far more gruesome ending than if they'd gotten graphic.

positivenote

briany wrote: »

As far as anti-climax goes, I think you have to remember that TiE is basically about ordinary people, living in a bleak and dreary looking anytown part of England. Oftentimes, events are framed dramatically, but they're really things that happen every day, so for events to be resolved in a low-key way, or for questions to be left unanswered fits in perfectly with the storytelling TiE is trying to do.

Combo's story arc, while sad, did deviate from this a little bit, and represents the biggest plot hole for me, on first viewing anyway. The exchange between Milky and Combo should have been more like,

Milky : Get in the car...

Combo : No!

Milky : Why not?

Combo : Because you and I both know I won't be coming back.

Fair enough if Milky's uncles kicked in Combo's door or something and took him, or those neo-Nazis did it, at least then he might have some chance of not merely vanishing off the face of the Earth to those who care about him. OK, he went quietly, he felt like he deserved it and all that, which made sense until he started screaming for his life. Frankly, if you were in Lol's shoes you'd be more than 'a bit suspicious'.

ah come on, are you seriously telling us how Shane Meadows should have written the script? :eek:

Basq

That closing shot of Milky was pretty devastating to be fair..

briany

positivenote wrote: »

ah come on, are you seriously telling us how Shane Meadows should have written the script? :eek:

Well, I'm sure Meadows could get the point across infinitely better than I, but the point I was making was that Combo getting into the car with Milky was a bit unrealistic, to me at least. The whole calmly accepting your fate (death in this case) is a bit of a trope. Really, you'd cut and run (f**k off, Milky. I'm not gettin' in that car).

GuessWhoEh

briany wrote: »

Well, I'm sure Meadows could get the point across infinitely better than I, but the point I was making was that Combo getting into the car with Milky was a bit unrealistic, to me at least. The whole calmly accepting your fate (death in this case) is a bit of a trope. Really, you'd cut and run (f**k off, Milky. I'm not gettin' in that car).

Combo knew he was getting a beating one way or another but I don't think he was expecting to die. He accepted getting into the car and knew milky was going to throw a few digs anyways but once milky apologised and started crying, combo knew he was done for.

Deathwish4

Underwhelming.

vanman99

Forget Combo's whereabouts, does Sean pass the photography course.....stunning piece of television.

Dan Chipowski

Really disappointing series, lazy and boring.