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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    aquinn wrote: »
    What news for us then?

    Aha, it was a tough enough day today...I don't think I even got my C goal, in fact I know I didn't, but it looks like I was in the top 40 - out of 40 000 - and I may have scraped a negative split so I think that can be called a Good Day's Work :D
    Bloody results not available til published tomorrow :mad: (Didn't even bother to stop my watch at the finish)
    Thanks again for all the good wishes, and the shout outs en route, BG did you get my 'I've had enough eye roll'??!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Aha, it was a tough enough day today...I don't think I even got my C goal, in fact I know I didn't, but it looks like I was in the top 40 - out of 40 000 - and I may have scraped a negative split so I think that can be called a Good Day's Work :D
    Bloody results not available til published tomorrow :mad: (Didn't even bother to stop my watch at the finish)
    Thanks again for all the good wishes, and the shout outs en route, BG did you get my 'I've had enough eye roll'??!

    Ha, I did. Although you were still motoring! It was apocalyptic out there today - top 0.1% ain't too shabby, I don't think times are relevant in that wind and rain! Dunshaughlin will be a breeze compared to that. Hope you've thawed out. I had to bail into a coffee shop after half and hour because I couldn't feel my hands or feet :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭kit3


    Serious conditions out there - well done - top 40 is serious going


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭aquinn


    Top 40! Incredible, well done.
    Traumatised or ok?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Bungy Girl wrote: »
    Ha, I did. Although you were still motoring! It was apocalyptic out there today - top 0.1% ain't too shabby, I don't think times are relevant in that wind and rain! Dunshaughlin will be a breeze compared to that. Hope you've thawed out. I had to bail into a coffee shop after half and hour because I couldn't feel my hands or feet :eek:
    I bet you were freezing, serious kudos to you, thanks a mill :D No, times weren't relevant, I made a couple of mistakes but nothing that would have got me a significant amount faster today.
    kit3 wrote: »
    Serious conditions out there - well done - top 40 is serious going
    Thanks kit but, Sh%t I hope that count is right! My nephew and dad called out the positions just before the 7k mark and no one passed me after that so fingers crossed :eek:
    aquinn wrote: »
    Top 40! Incredible, well done.
    Traumatised or ok?
    Thanks A! The bit prior to the race traumatised me big time but overall happy with today. I'll cobble a race report after the sprogs are snoring :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Dubgal72 wrote: »

    Thanks kit but, Sh%t I hope that count is right! My nephew and dad called out the positions just before the 7k mark and no one passed me after that so fingers crossed :eek:

    I heard at least one runner :rolleyes: was pulled off the course before the end, so You'll have gained at least 1 place ;)

    I gave you a shout at 8.5k but you were really motoring so I am not sure you heard me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    menoscemo wrote: »
    I heard at least one runner :rolleyes: was pulled off the course before the end, so You'll have gained at least 1 place ;)

    I gave you a shout at 8.5k but you were really motoring so I am not sure you heard me.

    Yeah the fecker passed me between 3 and 4k. I don't give a sht about men running in this but they really need to keep to their place....at the back of the pack ;) Really motoring? Did not feel like it at that stage, I had entered the misery zone not long after 7k but thanks :D
    Ps had a chat with Emilia before the race and I saw the 'object' but will save that for the report :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭kit3


    Top 40/50/60 - it's serious going either way :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Race Report VHI WMM 2015
    Official results: 40th place and 42:24 (#39 if you take 'ciara' out of the mix :rolleyes:)


    General prep was not the best, plenty of alcohol drunk at the Italian wedding on Thursday and Friday but mainly lack of sleep was the main biggie. I had revised the sub 40 target after Terenure, training was going well but races are the real sign of progress IMO. Weather forecast and a hot and heavy few days in Italy underpinned this revision. That's not to say I hadn't ruled it out completely...

    I had very swollen feet and ankles off the plane late on Saturday night due to not being able to move on plane (sleeping baba, not mine), and had also spent two hours in the car on the way to airport so not surprising really.

    Sunday, nutrition was pretty rubbish.
    Swelling reduced but not completely, did an easy 40 minutes incl strides, lovely evening and felt fresh enough.

    I wore compression socks to bed but probably not the brightest idea as...

    Monday (Lie in till 8 ;) )
    But...
    Woke up with quite a sore and stiff knee due to swelling and socks? Sore to walk on but went for a 10 min jog at 11:30 to test it out. It was strangely ok when jogging, only stiff when walking. Decided to go ahead and pull out at the least bit of worry.
    Light breakfast, forgot to have snack but didn't feel the lack of it, indeed caught a whiff of fast food on the bridge warming up and it made me quite queasy.

    Disaster/shambles pre race: really had to watch my ps and qs...
    P in lane because
    Q for loo was over 20 mins and wouldn't have made it to
    Q for baggage so...
    ... just made it to front pen, met two clubmates and warmed up incl strides. Saw BeepBeep67, suitably ensconced in the lead car front seat and Abhainn, had a chat and dumped our extra layers on them :)

    With 10 minutes to go, we lined up and saw Emilia. I told her she had broken my heart and the cause of it so she gaily waved her dirty great GARMIN forerunner under my nose. Did her no harm, she was flying today but.... :rolleyes:

    Off we went:
    It was a bit too wet for the Sauconys today but wasn't going so fast it was falling-slippy.

    The first km came in at 3:55 and I was absolutely delighted with this. I felt really strong and relaxed even thought it was about 10 seconds faster than intended first km. didn't get to check again til:

    3k and saw 12:43 on the watch :eek: (I had been planning to run in multiples of 4 minutes so anything up to 12:30 would have been acceptable). At this stage, I had settled down and was keeping my two clubmates in sight so wasn't expecting it to have slowed so much, I should have told myself to cop on and taken into account the wind which had a powerful enough gust at times.
    So instead, I made a rookie mistake and stepped up a gear. Not too much but enough to make it that little bit harder early on.

    My clubmates caught me around the 5k mark (possibly hit at 21:xx) where it began to pinch.
    5.5k we turned around, all ok but they revved up, as per plan. I kept them within 30-50 metres til about 6.8k when they opened up the gap to maybe 100m.

    7-10k I entered the misery zone but concentrated on keeping a strong and fast cadence. The wand came out and I really let that pain in. I passed a couple here so all good...ish. BG got the benefit of a wordless eye roll but I have to admit I got a fright when I heard her bellow my name :D I was in the process of overtaking and couldn't see who the bellow was coming from!

    Missed the 8k marker and the 9k marker was a great relief. Funnily the last km seemed to go really quick and the finish caught me by surprise, a very welcome surprise mind you!

    However:
    All in all, despite the mistake of revving up too early, I passed more than was passed today. No one passed me after 6k or so, although it had become fairly strung out by then. I can't remember exactly but I definitely caught three or four places after 6km until the end. I ended up with just one athlete between me and my speedster clubmates. The finish line as we turned towards Merrion Square caught me by surprise (:o *know your start and finishes*) and if I'd known it was coming sooner would I have been able to raise more of a sprint? Who knows. I did what I did on the day. I left nothing out there, dug deep, used the wand and...dug deep again :)

    It's all a learning curve and while the pacing is still not there, it's moving forward. I would have liked to have not panicked slightly at the 3k mark especially having seen how staying cool calm and collected paid off for my clubmates, I will definitely feel easier about holding back next time.

    Met up with more clubmates at the end for a couple of Irish coffees (heat replenishment :) ) who all seemed to have had a good run in the conditions. Well done boardsies too, it was a tough enough day.

    Fair play to everyone supporting and stewarding today on the course, we really really appreciate you!

    Dun Shaughlin and Ferns next on the list and then really excited about preparing for the National Masters T&F at the end of August. Bring that baby on :D

    Will post splits, final position and official time tomorrow when results are up but the pa has confirmed (not a figment of my delirium) that I was definitely 40th at 7k. No one passed me and I gained a couple of places after 7k so I am over the moon with that :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    Oops, didn't mean to give you a fright :o. I blame the caffeine :rolleyes: Great report, as usual. Nice plan for the summer - what distance(s) will you do in the Masters ? See you in Dunshaughlin anyway, looks like there will be a large boards contingent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭libelula


    Inspirational report as always Dubgal, very well done on such a mingin' day!


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    Well done, good running by the sounds of things. I don't think you can judge races in conditions like yesterdays based solely on time and it sounds like you really dug deep when required in the second half of the race.


    That's a great finishing position anyway so hope you are suitable happy with that. See you on the 20th anyway I think.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Runchick


    Super running DG you're so good at the pain stuff, I wimp out much too easily!! Well done :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Well done A, Adrian is right in those conditions all bets are off, you stuck with it when others would throw in the towel. Another great report :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    Great report DG - conditions were pretty awful yesterday so well done! Looking forward to hearing the final time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Bungy Girl wrote: »
    Oops, didn't mean to give you a fright :o. I blame the caffeine :rolleyes: Great report, as usual. Nice plan for the summer - what distance(s) will you do in the Masters ? See you in Dunshaughlin anyway, looks like there will be a large boards contingent.
    Haha sure you weren't drinking red bull?! :D Thanks BG, it was a great lift really and perfectly timed :) 1500 in the masters and maybe 3000 if the timing is right. See you in dunshaughlin :)
    libelula wrote: »
    Inspirational report as always Dubgal, very well done on such a mingin' day!
    Thanks libelula, it was pretty miserable wasn't it. Means it can only get better, right?!
    adrian522 wrote: »
    Well done, good running by the sounds of things. I don't think you can judge races in conditions like yesterdays based solely on time and it sounds like you really dug deep when required in the second half of the race.


    That's a great finishing position anyway so hope you are suitable happy with that. See you on the 20th anyway I think.
    Thanks Adrian, yes, overall, now the time and position has been confirmed, I am very pleasantly surprised.
    Runchick wrote: »
    Super running DG you're so good at the pain stuff, I wimp out much too easily!! Well done :)
    Thanks Runchick, don't know about *good* at it but it definitely gets better with practice. Gawd what do we sound like?!
    Firedance wrote: »
    Well done A, Adrian is right in those conditions all bets are off, you stuck with it when others would throw in the towel. Another great report :)
    Thanks FD, yeah definitely chuffed with the position!
    spaceylou wrote: »
    Great report DG - conditions were pretty awful yesterday so well done! Looking forward to hearing the final time.

    Thanks spaceylou, 42:24 final time and #40 (#39 actually cos the she seems to have slipped into the official results :rolleyes: ) so very very happy (and still a bit shocked tbh). Haven't got the 5k split, the search engine seems to be a bit of a joke :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    Sounds like a tough run yesterday, DG, really well done... 39th is great placing... you'll get the sub-40 on a better day!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Thanks Anna, I'll be happy to get a sub 40 by the Lakes in August. Hope you're still buzzing :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    A critical observation if you don't mind!!

    It appears that your shorter times (1500, mile, 3k, 5k) are much stronger than your recent 5 mile and 10k times. Do you think that comes solely down to bad pacing in the races, or do you think there is a lack of endurance/speed endurance coming into play?
    If the latter, do you or your coach any plans to rectify this? I reckon that slightly more overall mileage (with perhaps less emphasis on speedwork) and a longer long run would definitely help.

    What do you think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Not at all meno, in fact you're absolutely spot on :)
    It's a combination of a few things; bad/inexperienced pacing for sure which includes road racing experience. I'm also only entering my second cycle of structured training round about now so I still have a long term endurance base to consolidate. I am also first and foremost a track and xc runner, my first forays into both (the senior xc and 1500 track) in the last six months felt simply like coming home :)
    The plan is to piggy back on our 3h marathoners training soon but jump into xc season in sept. Prior to that I have an 8 week block ahead in prep for the national masters 1500. I have a bit of residual speed it appears from the olden days and I want to capitalize on that before I hit the next age cat ;)
    The marathon training and xc season this year will bring my endurance on a lot I think. Thanks for the input meno, always welcome!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    The plan is to

    Leave everybody hanging until your next post? :P

    Edit: You corrected it before I posted :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    Leave everybody hanging until your next post? :P

    Hehe yup ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Not at all meno, in fact you're absolutely spot on :)
    It's a combination of a few things; bad/inexperienced pacing for sure which includes road racing experience. I'm also only entering my second cycle of structured training round about now so I still have a long term endurance base to consolidate. I am also first and foremost a track and xc runner, my first forays into both (the senior xc and 1500 track) in the last six months felt simply like coming home :)
    The plan is to piggy back on our 3h marathoners training soon but jump into xc season in sept. Prior to that I have an 8 week block ahead in prep for the national masters 1500. I have a bit of residual speed it appears from the olden days and I want to capitalize on that before I hit the next age cat ;)
    The marathon training and xc season this year will bring my endurance on a lot I think. Thanks for the input meno, always welcome!

    Cool, it's good to have a plan!!
    A little bit of Marathon training will definitely help.

    I was looking at the results there and based on her 5 mile time from the other night, I reckon Emilia was at least 70-80 seconds down on what she would have been in say Dunshaughlin, so you might just be there before the end of June if all goes well!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭aquinn


    The only way to fix pacing surely is a Garmin 😆


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Cool, it's good to have a plan!!
    A little bit of Marathon training will definitely help.

    I was looking at the results there and based on her 5 mile time from the other night, I reckon Emilia was at least 70-80 seconds down on what she would have been in say Dunshaughlin, so you might just be there before the end of June if all goes well!!
    It's a consolation but unfortunately Dunshaughlin will get in the way of the next training block (10 day cycle of two x track sessions of 400s and 200s; park session of 800s, 10 mile run + occasional 800 TT and 5k parkrun 'over-and-under' sharpeners). So my next realistic shot at 10k will probably be the Lakes in August I think. I'm not that worried, I am seriously excited about seeing how low I can go in the 1500 :) And then I am really excited about lots of lsr's when I piggy back. It's all actually really great when I put it like that :D
    aquinn wrote: »
    The only way to fix pacing surely is a Garmin 😆
    I'm sorry, did somebody say something??! :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 785 ✭✭✭Notwork Error


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Not at all meno, in fact you're absolutely spot on :)
    It's a combination of a few things; bad/inexperienced pacing for sure which includes road racing experience. I'm also only entering my second cycle of structured training round about now so I still have a long term endurance base to consolidate. I am also first and foremost a track and xc runner, my first forays into both (the senior xc and 1500 track) in the last six months felt simply like coming home :)
    The plan is to piggy back on our 3h marathoners training soon but jump into xc season in sept. Prior to that I have an 8 week block ahead in prep for the national masters 1500. I have a bit of residual speed it appears from the olden days and I want to capitalize on that before I hit the next age cat ;)
    The marathon training and xc season this year will bring my endurance on a lot I think. Thanks for the input meno, always welcome!

    Do you think it's a good idea to jump in with the 3hr marathon runner group if you don't have the endurance base built up? I'm not taking a dig here DG but you come across as a middle distance biased runner to me which is something calculators never take into account and why I never use them. There seems to be a belief that calculators give your potential over a certain distance if you do the training required which is completely false imo as people will have biases towards certain distances. Take Hicham El Gerrouj for instance, a 3:43 miler which would have his 10k equivalent at 26 flatish for 10k but with all the 10k specific training in the world, he would probably struggle to come within a minute of that.

    Now, I'm not saying a sub-3 marathon is beyond you by any means and maybe the marathon might turn out to be your strongest event when you get the miles in but do you not think that training with the 3 hour group right now might be just above your current ability for that distance as there is a fade in endurance from 5k up which I imagine would fade more as you arrive at the marathon distance? What is your thinking behind going with the 3hr group?

    Personally, I think you would be better served in going with a slower group as it would be more in line with your current bias and if you feel like it over time, maybe then move up to the faster group. What do you think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Do you think it's a good idea to jump in with the 3hr marathon runner group if you don't have the endurance base built up? I'm not taking a dig here DG but you come across as a middle distance biased runner to me which is something calculators never take into account and why I never use them. There seems to be a belief that calculators give your potential over a certain distance if you do the training required which is completely false imo as people will have biases towards certain distances. Take Hicham El Gerrouj for instance, a 3:43 miler which would have his 10k equivalent at 26 flatish for 10k but with all the 10k specific training in the world, he would probably struggle to come within a minute of that.

    Now, I'm not saying a sub-3 marathon is beyond you by any means and maybe the marathon might turn out to be your strongest event when you get the miles in but do you not think that training with the 3 hour group right now might be just above your current ability for that distance as there is a fade in endurance from 5k up which I imagine would fade more as you arrive at the marathon distance? What is your thinking behind going with the 3hr group?

    Personally, I think you would be better served in going with a slower group as it would be more in line with your current bias and if you feel like it over time, maybe then move up to the faster group. What do you think?
    Yeah sorry, I didn't explain that properly. Not for full training cycle, for 70% of the lsr's etc. I'll give full details when I have them nearer the time but it will be as I said, a piggy back. Sorry, sometimes I assume *everyone* knows what I mean by my vague statements :o
    Edit: the madness of bedtime is over so just getting a chance to read your advice properly :) It relates to the last bit really, it's not my thinking at all; it's coachy's and the club captain who have recommended I do this and as I said, it won't be the programme in its entirety. It's also not as crazy as it seems: our levels are converging all the time and by August/September the gap will have narrowed again (all going to plan ;) ). That's not to say I would target a 3h marathon this October but a fair bit of the training will be achievable from August onwards. I'm in good hands with coachy and CC, they are real advocates of quality over quantity and I trust them completely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    log report w/b 1 June

    Mon 1
    VHI WMM 2015 see race report 42:24, 39th o/a
    T: 10 or thereabouts

    Tue 2
    Rest

    Wed 3
    Unscheduled rest. Due to one thing and another (sprog #1's birthday the main one :)), my planned 10k easy run got pushed back until it got to the stage where going for a run and the multitude of things still to do at the end of a day meant a possible midnight bedtime....again. Tbh, I have slipped back into old bad habits lately re bedtime and am pretty wrecked. As we know,that will come back to bite me health-wise so sleep won. I feel quite virtuous as that gremlin was really whispering on my shoulder 'go on, run, you know you want to....' :eek:

    Some ad hoc core and strengthening done over these two days

    Thur 4
    Double day:
    AM: Didn't want to go into this evening's session without some running in my legs so popped out this morning for a 20min easy run around the block.

    PM: club session. Gorgeous evening and a huge turnout, possibly 40, the most I've ever seen anyway.
    Jogged 3 miles w/u to the park and included a couple of longer strides towards the end plus .5 mile of drills and strides.
    Speed endurance: 6x800m @5k pace (ie 3.07 or thereabouts) with 400 cont jog recovery on gently undulating tarmac'd path. This is the first session of my 1500-specific training :D

    The first came in slightly too fast at 3:00, the second settled down at 3.05. I turned the watch off after these two for a few reasons:
    Firstly I was running against the tide of traffic so was often running wide.
    Secondly, the path was full of other runners, walkers, kids...and dogs... So a fair bit of weaving was involved.
    Thirdly, I had a latch on the cadence and effort and as I was doing these on my own, I couldn't be fecked racing the watch, especially after the race on Monday so gauged them by effort.
    And I emptied the tank so am happy with how they went. I have the nice, drained exhausted feeling you get after a hard session :)

    I really don't think I had underestimated how hard Ososlo's 5k session last week was but I am now completely, totally and utterly in awe. I was doing 5k pace reps tonight but HALF her distance with MORE recovery and only three miles total compared to her four!!!! .... :eek: I found this a tough tough session, my legs were jellofied by the fifth rep...fair fecks woman!!

    1 mile c/d and thorough enough stretching. Think a glass of red and an Epsom salts bath are on the doctor's orders list too :)
    T: 9 or thereabouts


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭HelenAnne


    Really well done in the Mini Marathon. What's your club top like? Just wondering if I spotted you at all this time. I was 15 places behind you, so we must have been in and around each other at some point?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    HelenAnne wrote: »
    Really well done in the Mini Marathon. What's your club top like? Just wondering if I spotted you at all this time. I was 15 places behind you, so we must have been in and around each other at some point?
    Well done yourself, great time too, especially the day that was in it! How did you find it? I was wearing the local branch orange one but it gets a bit confusing because when we represent Sli Cualann outside Wicklow officially (county championships etc) we wear a navy one with an orange crest :confused::D
    We must gave been up in the same pen at the start!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭HelenAnne


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Well done yourself, great time too, especially the day that was in it! How did you find it? I was wearing the local branch orange one but it gets a bit confusing because when we represent Sli Cualann outside Wicklow officially (county championships etc) we wear a navy one with an orange crest :confused::D
    We must gave been up in the same pen at the start!

    I'd say we were! I'm directly under the middle zero in this one, wearing a hairband:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/in-pictures-women-s-mini-marathon-2015-1.2233459

    in-pictures-women-s-mini-marathon-2015-1.2233459



    I really enjoyed it! There were so many bits where I was thinking 'I feel WAY better than I did here last year!'

    I panicked a bit in the first k as people were going past me, but I looked at my watch and said, 'No, this is an ok pace' and just concentrated on running my own race. I caught some of those who passed me in later miles anyway. I felt I dug in up Nutley Lane and up to the turn around, and kept thinking of using my core (pulling up my belt buckle as our Pilates teacher says :-)) and my arms into the wind, and I felt pretty good the whole way. In the last k I could see my club mate who ran 41.xx in the Samsung ahead of me (I hadn't expected to be anywhere near her) -- and then the band started playing 'Beat It' - when they sang 'No one likes to be defeated ...' I took that to heart and tried to catch her. I didn't, but there was only 23 seconds in it in the end, so I was delighted with that. I'd wanted sub 44 and top 70, so was DELIGHTED with 43.08 and 55th.

    My previous 10k PB was from July 2013, so it was about time I started improving again!

    You must be delighted as well -- top 40!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    HelenAnne wrote: »
    I'd say we were! I'm directly under the middle zero in this one, wearing a hairband:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/in-pictures-women-s-mini-marathon-2015-1.2233459

    in-pictures-women-s-mini-marathon-2015-1.2233459



    I really enjoyed it! There were so many bits where I was thinking 'I feel WAY better than I did here last year!'

    I panicked a bit in the first k as people were going past me, but I looked at my watch and said, 'No, this is an ok pace' and just concentrated on running my own race. I caught some of those who passed me in later miles anyway. I felt I dug in up Nutley Lane and up to the turn around, and kept thinking of using my core (pulling up my belt buckle as our Pilates teacher says :-)) and my arms into the wind, and I felt pretty good the whole way. In the last k I could see my club mate who ran 41.xx in the Samsung ahead of me (I hadn't expected to be anywhere near her) -- and then the band started playing 'Beat It' - when they sang 'No one likes to be defeated ...' I took that to heart and tried to catch her. I didn't, but there was only 23 seconds in it in the end, so I was delighted with that. I'd wanted sub 44 and top 70, so was DELIGHTED with 43.08 and 55th.

    My previous 10k PB was from July 2013, so it was about time I started improving again!

    You must be delighted as well -- top 40!

    A PB on that day is fabulous running so well done again, you are on fire! Sounds like you had a great run, especially digging in on Nutley and maintaining it after. I did that too and paid the price :D The band was great but I remember those bloody clapper things becoming more and more annoying after we went through donnybrook and onwards. It was definitely related to my fatigue :eek:
    You nailed both your targets!

    Ps I was over on the far side, I can see my clubmate but I think I was just behind her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    HelenAnne wrote: »
    I'd say we were! I'm directly under the middle zero in this one, wearing a hairband:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/in-pictures-women-s-mini-marathon-2015-1.2233459

    in-pictures-women-s-mini-marathon-2015-1.2233459



    My auld eye sight is poor but either you've a lot of hair or you're carrying a pot on your head :)

    TbL


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,035 ✭✭✭HelenAnne


    HelenAnne wrote: »
    I'd say we were! I'm directly under the middle zero in this one, wearing a hairband:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/other-sports/in-pictures-women-s-mini-marathon-2015-1.2233459

    in-pictures-women-s-mini-marathon-2015-1.2233459



    My auld eye sight is poor but either you've a lot of hair or you're carrying a pot on your head :)

    TbL
    That's not my enormous Amy Winehouse style hair, I think it's the head of the girl behind me. I'd be impressed if I could run with that amount of hair!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,086 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    HelenAnne wrote: »
    I'd say we were! I'm directly under the middle zero in this one, wearing a hairband:

    You looking fine :D

    18537430935_f8cd2dca99_b.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    BeepBeep67 wrote: »
    You looking fine :D

    18537430935_f8cd2dca99_b.jpg

    Your hair replacement treatment went better than you expected D :)

    TbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Right *dusts off cobwebs* before I forget.....

    Fri 5
    Rest, sort of scheduled, can't remember what happened :o

    Sat 6
    45 mins easy run. Fecking wind. Also a bit Meh, Thursday's session still in legs. Cross that I didn't make time to jog it out on Friday.

    Sun 7
    Very early (for me...) 7:30am run (*polishes halo*), some on grass
    Lsr of 80 minutes or so, about 9.5 miles...or so. Just went out and ran around a roughly pre-measured route. Lovely run, lovely morning.

    Total for week: maybe around 34/35 miles...according to the schedule for 1500-specific training, easy days (and some lsr's) are done by time on feet. Some guessing going on :)
    Breakdown: (4 days' running)
    1 race
    1 double day incl session
    1 lsr
    1 easy/recovery day

    Core and s/c: getting better


    W/b 8 June

    Mon 8 June

    PM: 45 minutes easy (faster end of easy range). Felt quite good on this and had to consciously slow the pace down in parts. Concentrated on keeping good form etc.

    Tue 9 June

    AM: session on Tarmac in park
    The next few weeks are going to see a rotation of:
    #1 6x800m with 2.5 min rec - speed endurance purpose, recovery will be shortened :eek:
    #2 8x400 with comfortable recovery of 400 cont jog or as needed - purpose speed
    #3,8x200m, 200 rec
    (Using JD/vdot from last 1500 race, targets are 3 mins for 800, 82 for 400s and 38 for 200s)
    #4 And lsr of 8-10 miles
    These key sessions will be done over a 10 day cycle. Today was #2, 400s.

    I had reassured coachy that training mainly on my own was going to be okay for the next eight weeks but being honest, it is a little bit less ok than I thought it would be. Mentally, having done only two reps and having six ahead - on your own - is not exactly easy. But the feeling that you get as you go through the reps more than makes up for any mental anxiety or anticipation prior to the session :) This was a hard session however I don't know if it's because speed is where my strength is ATM or what but I didn't have to use the wand in this session. Yes, I dug deep and emptied the tank on the last two reps but focusing on staying relaxed was enough for this session.
    Coachy did however gently tell me off for the last two (76) with a caution about injury risk... :o We'll reassess paces after the graded 1500 in Santry on Wednesday week.

    T: 20 mins w/u, long strides; 6-7 drills, 5xshorter and faster strides; 8x400 with 400 cont jog rec and 1.25mi w/d
    7.5mi

    82, 80/81, 80/81, 77, 79, 78/79, (first 6.xx) 76.5, 76 (caveat hand-timed ;) )


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    You so fast :D

    What's the target for the 1500 ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Bungy Girl wrote: »
    You so fast :D

    What's the target for the 1500 ?

    Hehe thanks. Coachy just has me down to break 5:10. I had suggested something a bit more ambitious but he's right, baby steps :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Wed 10

    Recovery run 35+ mins. Bleh...did exactly what it was meant to, nothing else. No love for this one :) Had a real glyco tremble after the run too, couldn't get carbs into me quick enough.

    Thur 11

    Very easy jogging on grass with the Fit4Life group, 40 minutes or so. Lovely evening. Cycled there and back (6 miles round trip).
    Interval training (I'm putting it down to that) really makes you hungry! Despite yesterday and today being easy days, I've been really hungry approaching meal times. I couldn't wait to get home for some roast chicken.

    I was told on Sunday by a friend I haven't seen in a few months that I have the 'runner's lean look' she said making squashing motions on her cheeks. Let's face it she was really saying 'you look wrecked woman' :rolleyes: A running friend, also someone I haven't seen in a while, told me that I've lost weight so it must be true what is said about interval training: it burns fuel :D Good to know because I certainly haven't been watching what I eat (in a restrictive sense) and I wondered if the lack of high mileage lately might encourage a pound or two gain now and then.

    Fri 12

    Track session: 8x200m, 200 rec. Target 38 secs

    I had butterflies in my tummy for this one: the first real speed session in decades. Coachy wanted to be there for it but the track wasn't available for the time he was. Having him monitor and time the session would have been good but ya gotta work with what ya got....

    A spanner was nearly thrown in the works when I got there at 10am sharp to be told that the track was booked for what looked like a HIIT fitness group or something like that. I wheedled a bit - nicely, I told them it was only 200s and I wouldn't be long - and got to use the inside lane out of the way. Not ideal for 200s, lane 3 or 4 would have been better but....

    I had already done the jogging bit so made my way down to the track for long strides, 8 drills and 4-5 shorter, snappy strides of 70m or so followed by short gentle stretches on my hip which felt a tiny bit tight. Not out of bratiness or anything but I decided to take my time with my warm up. So I did and it was lovely.

    The first one was waaaay too fast (33.7), but that was ok, all I had to do was slow down...the next two were 34.xx, the next three 35.xx and the last two I thought feck it, put the boot in for 34.5 and 34.6.
    It was tough enough, especially 6-8 but throughout I focused on staying strong, controlled and relaxed. I settled into a pattern (right or wrong, haven't a clue) of starting out snappy, easing off after 50m, revving up again into the straight, cruising the middle bit of the straight and for the last three revving up again the last 30m.
    Coachy hasn't given out to me....yet ;)

    Finished with gentle jogging and plenty of stretching, including the stand up Myrtl moves. These are amazing after a hard session, I can't recommend them enough. They really ease out the legs and nearly reinvigorate them. Thanks Ososlo for discovering them :D
    I gave myself a little pep talk while doing these. I felt really good after having had the time to warm up properly, no rushing, and also warm down. We're all guilty of leaving out the ancillary bits but if I want to do myself justice in the nationals, this has to be an integral part of training, not an optional add-on...including core and strength and conditioning....I've been telling the Novices that marathon training is a jigsaw puzzle and running is only a piece of it - a significant piece mind you - so time to pull up my socks and reinstate that core, mobility and S/C training firmly back on the schedule.

    I packed a very generous handful of mixed nuts and raisins for straight after warm down, hopefully that will help stave off the ITMs (Interval Training Munchies :D).

    1|33.7
    2|34.9
    3|34.xx
    4|35.xx
    5|35.xx
    6|35.xx
    7|34.5
    8|34.6


    T: 6 or thereabouts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    great session DG, you make it sound easier than your recovery run :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    annapr wrote: »
    great session DG, you make it sound easier than your recovery run :)

    Thanks Anna, in a way it was. It's impossible to get cross with 200s, they're gone before you have time to grumble :D A long slow plod of 35 minutes where the legs are just not co-operating with the brain however.... :mad: :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Sat 13
    The Beer Mile, 0 miles, Kilbogget Park

    Couldn't keep away from running so toddled along to the National Championships of the Beer Mile, sympathy bottle of Prosecco in tow ;) Nice and brisk in Kilbogget, the lovely hot day had turned into a bit of a chiller. Emer911 knew the score and had brought gloves and even a hat.

    Saw a few familiar faces, Meno first, met the ex DrQ, 'Kevin and Kevin', had TRR, Chivito, timaaay and DR pointed out to me amongst others by a sidelined KC. Feck that 'not introducing yourself by your boards name because it is weird' rule; let's not pretend that the situation is for one nano-second normal so next year I am going to insist on boards name first, normal name next :D (not just because a small "meno" started to trip past my lips at one stage.... :o )
    Adrian attempted a feeble sand bag by telling me how tired he was.... :rolleyes: :D
    Had a go at PM for the tameness of his costume and expressed my regret that I hadn't voted for the mankini....he agreed actually and c'mon, what a strategy to put off the opposition it would have been!! Met the lovely lady referred to in Yaboya's log as 'gf' and pleased to see that she actually has more common sense than her choice of beau would indicate :p heehee.
    Met Hannibal Smith, yay and had a lovely chat. The Fairview Bus arrived in good time with Annapr, aquinn, Murph and Bungy Girl sporting a Mary Poppins style bag ;) After which bag was opened and the clip board came out, the night started to take shape, bang bang bang, order and precision :D

    Off they went and the faces as the laps went on was a sight to behold. Meno's strategic belching paid off, KU's slowish start worked too, despite being nearly last off at the start, he ate up the competition while looking more and more uncomfortable....Adrian soldiered on to a very very respectable sub 10 despite ripping his hand open on broken glass. I have to confess I misheard him and thought he had cut his pinkie on the bottle opener...five stitches later so he gets the Purple Heart award for guts in adversity ;) PM a close second, also a very healthy sub 10 despite the mental trauma of having to wear *that* geansaí :D

    All in all a great night and strangely compelling viewing...not often you get to witness an Irish national record at such close quarters although I did get a little carried away at one stage and insist it was a world record... :o The thread in itself is just brilliant. I wonder if we should break up the monotony of winter by having a xc beer mile or something like that? Beer, mud and puke, what a winning combination! See how those JTG dark horses do in some 'real' conditions eh ;)

    Sun 14

    45 min recovery run.
    I have needed every hour of the two day recoveries between interval session this week! I had hoped to stretch the 45 mins to up to an hour this evening but the legs were just not playing ball. Taper now up till the track on Wednesday evening: 30 mins with strides tomorrow, rest Tuesday and a warm up couple of miles on Wednesday morning. See you on the other side!


    Total: 6 days running, 33 miles or thereabouts
    1 rest day
    2 sessions, 1 Tarmac, 1 track
    4 easy/recovery runs

    Core, strength and general mobility: average, could do better ( see pep talk)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    Best of luck for later! Have fun out there :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭aquinn


    Good luck, enjoy and mind yourself tonight.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    Best of luck tonight, A, I hope you have a brilliant run :) was hoping to get up to cheer you on but looking unlikely... we'll be with you in spirit!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    more good luck wishes here :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Bungy Girl wrote: »
    Best of luck for later! Have fun out there :D
    I'll try....
    aquinn wrote: »
    Good luck, enjoy and mind yourself tonight.
    Yes mammy :)
    annapr wrote: »
    Best of luck tonight, A, I hope you have a brilliant run :) was hoping to get up to cheer you on but looking unlikely... we'll be with you in spirit!
    Thank you for even trying :)
    Firedance wrote: »
    more good luck wishes here :D

    Thank you!!

    I'll check in later


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭aquinn


    So, all set.

    This is Santry 7.30? Will try and make it. Will see if I can cycle up.

    Watch the weather as it was warmer than expected on lunch.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭aquinn


    Delayed start, I'm nervous.


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