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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Good reply!
    I'm grand. Things are looking up. I can put on my own socks and just about walk pain free:)

    Ah good. Stay relaxed....as much as you can without running!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    So what I didn't want to happen has happened. I have been sidelined by injury. Well, not injury exactly, more poor biomechanics.

    2014 was a rather satisfying year. I started running! I completed a marathon and won a county championships. I also got within tantalisingly attainable proximity to the magical 20 mins for 5k.

    I ended the year vowing not to get injured. Pah!

    The first third of the 2015 was amazing. I got pbs left, right and centre (not hard, most of the distances were first or second outings :D ) as well as an exciting haul of team and individual county and provincial medals.
    In April/early May, a 5:11 outing at my first 1500m in a quarter of a century re-awoke the bug I had for middle distance running.
    Buuut....I remember the wheels starting to come off at the Terenure 5 when I described my race as losing 'bang for my buck'. An ill-judged WMM a few weeks later left me scratching my head but not too seriously. Achilles problems on the left side a few weeks later took my mind off that. Track season scrapped.

    The later part of the summer saw a build phase with a steady increase in mileage. Lots of lovely long runs, bliss. A slight warning bell when, in the latter part of the Charleville HM in September, my left hip started to twinge under fatigue like it did in DCM the previous year.

    Here, with hindsight, was when the firefighting truly kicked in as the dreaded plantar fasciitis took its horrible grip in October and November. That interrupted winter season significantly but - foolishly? - I carried on with fairly intensive training, with time off, sessions adjusted and allowing for full recovery in between flare ups. This was frustrating as the target was the national masters at the end of January.

    2016: I think the pf started to ease off in January and February but - yup, there is a pattern here - my mind was now beginning to focus on the reemergence of lower back and hip issues.

    My lower back on the right side started to niggle uncomfortably all the time.
    All throughout, my knee/hip flexor on the right side too have been slightly tight, but manageably so....or so I thought......
    2016 has been the most successful year medal wise; with a bronze and gold national team medal, a Leinster gold individual medal and a national individual bronze....but in many ways, it has been my most disappointing year so far as I just don't feel that I have fulfilled my potential as the training blocks rolled out.

    Cross country and road targets were ticked off nicely, national team medals won bit a slight nagging feeling that I could have run better.
    I took chunks off my mile time early season, bringing it down to 5:24.5, indicating that a sub 5 1500m was very possible for planned peak. Yet I struggled to run 5:16 in the nationals, 5 seconds DOWN on my entrance 1500 16 months previously....My refrain of 'no power for lift or extension, no propulsion' remained frustratingly unexplained by professionals. A few people have commented on my deteriorating form when under pressure, both in training and races. This has been something I have noticed myself this summer. Fatigue has kicked in/power has done a runner (groan) far earlier than it should, hand in hand with a noticeable deterioration of form.

    So, I let the hip thing go on too long and trained right through to the nationals cos I was too bloody stubborn to pull back and go back to basics. I don't regret this, btw, just now I have to deal with the consequences...and hopefully be a bit more mature in the future :o

    The month of September was for light training to allow the hip and general butt area to calm down; doing some easy running in conjunction with getting used to the bike. Biking has been fine but there is no doubt about it, load bearing has aggravated all the niggles.

    After the chain of niggles led to a knee crack in Pilates last week, I have taken a second and third opinion. The second opinion noted my flat arches when on the ground but high when raised. This, in her opinion was setting off a whole chain of imbalances right up to the hip, tilting my right pelvic area anteriorly and posteriorly on the left side.
    She recommends insoles, as had coachy some months earlier. She gave me a simple programme of two stretches (one for left side, one for right) to do three sets of, for 1 min each while lying on the bed or couch each night. Every night, as body allows. I can do that. Swear.

    VERDICT #1 NO RUNNING:
    She also recommends no running til it all calms down.

    VERDICT #2 NO RUNNING:
    This concept is something I had been skirting around anyway. If you had said this to me 6 months ago, I would have torn around the block, blubbering and putting my fingers in my ears. Not so now. Running lately has just not been fun. I am constantly monitoring the hip, the butt, the knee waiting for one of them to rear their horrible little heads. And they do. Invariably. Outside running, the hip or butt is twinging or spasming all. the. time.

    VERDICT #3 NO RUNNING:
    A chat with coachy confirmed this. He agrees that there is no start to any sort of training until the slate is clean.

    VERDICT #4 NO RUNNING:
    I popped down to Carlow this morning [Saturday] for a walk-in clinic and was seen by Eddie. My legs are in bits now. Jaysus, ouchers. All to the good tho, right? In amongst the waves of pain, he was basically saying he's never seen such a weak-ass set of glutes and hips. My arches - again - are causing a whole chain of imbalances but stretching the outside calf muscle will help (special towel pull stretch given). My squats are pathetic, but we knew that already. In his opinion, no point starting body weight squats or weighted squats right now (doesn't recommend anyway IIRC) cos I am so crap....also no running.....

    So I am now the proud owner of a resistance band. Set of four exercise to do 5/7 days, without fail and jeepers when done properly, these guys burn (also cos my glutes are so feeble).

    So there we have it but now alea jacta est I feel strangely unburdened.
    While it has taken the long way round to get a consensus, I now have agreement from four professionals that my biomechanics suck.
    As I quoted above, "A setback is a setup for a comeback". I found a version of this in the book I am currently reading The Bolt Supremacy. Quite a few of the Jamaican athletes discussed in this book had poor biomechanics which impacted quite significantly on their ability to reach their potential. Once addressed, they improved, simples. It is somewhat comforting that I am in such lustrous company haha but really, the comfort is in the knowledge that my feeling of going backwards the last while is fixable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Hope it all works out for you and I can empathise, my body has been out of warranty for yonks and I always seem to be only a few miles away from a full breakdown:)

    You were going very well and you'll be back stronger

    TbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Hope it all works out for you and I can empathise, my body has been out of warranty for yonks and I always seem to be only a few miles away from a full breakdown:)

    You were going very well and you'll be back stronger

    TbL

    Thanks aul fella. Despite your 'shutting down' hardware, you're revving up nicely so yes, I take comfort if you can do it, anyone can.... ;):D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,370 ✭✭✭pconn062


    I feel for you Dubgal, I'm in a similar boat. A never ending stream of injuries and niggles meaning it's impossible to put even a decent months training together. Have the same issue as you regarding flat arches on the ground but high when in motion. Pelvic issues combined are causing loads of lower limb injuries.

    In the last two weeks I have done what I have been told I need to do for the last three years, and made an appointment with an guy who makes orthotics. I have been putting them off for years I wanted to try and strengthen everything first, but certain people just have bio mechanical deficiencies that need some sort of support. He pointed out stuff many PT's have been telling me for years as well as some other stuff I never even noticed/

    I should have the insoles in the next few weeks and will see how I get on with them. If you do end up considering them then I have the number for the go to guy, really impressed when I went down to him.

    It's a tough sport at times. Good luck with the rehab.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    pconn062 wrote: »
    I feel for you Dubgal, I'm in a similar boat. A never ending stream of injuries and niggles meaning it's impossible to put even a decent months training together. Have the same issue as you regarding flat arches on the ground but high when in motion. Pelvic issues combined are causing loads of lower limb injuries.

    In the last two weeks I have done what I have been told I need to do for the last three years, and made an appointment with an guy who makes orthotics. I have been putting them off for years I wanted to try and strengthen everything first, but certain people just have bio mechanical deficiencies that need some sort of support. He pointed out stuff many PT's have been telling me for years as well as some other stuff I never even noticed/

    I should have the insoles in the next few weeks and will see how I get on with them. If you do end up considering them then I have the number for the go to guy, really impressed when I went down to him.

    It's a tough sport at times. Good luck with the rehab.
    Thanks P, jaysus we sound like running hobbling twins!

    Yes, orthotics may be something I consider. After my congenital hip dysplasia thing as an infant, I had raises put on the inside of my shoes throughout childhood. Then as a teen when training and racing hard, I was fitted for orthotics. I may well be a candidate. Forgot to mention, the team at the Carlow clinic will be carrying out a full gait analysis/biomechanical assessment soon.

    Best of luck with you, when you're fit, you're really motoring. Don't beat yourself up about only doing it now, sometimes what you hear is slightly conflicting so it's hard to know which way to turn....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,516 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Hard luck, A. You burn so brightly, there's bound to be some setbacks along the way. Good luck with the rebuild.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭diego_b


    Best of luck with it DG, I was at the resistance bands this time last year....with those and subsequent progression through body weight and now additional weight (kettle bells are my favourite) it has worked well so far. It is very frustrating but stick to the plan and you'll be writing new epic race reports in the not distant future!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Kennyg71


    Sorry to hear that A,but i'm sure you'll be back stronger than ever when over haul completed, take your time & mind the body.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,119 ✭✭✭Mrs Mc


    Bummer A you have a bad few months of injury and niggles (still managed some amazing results) hopefully this is only a minor set back and will just take a bit of time. Good luck with the recovery.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,454 ✭✭✭Clearlier


    Sorry to hear of you woes A. You probably know that I've spent many months on rehab and there are a couple of things that I'd change if I had my time again. Obviously this isn't advice so much as a food for thought - we're all an experiment of one etc. so grab a large pinch of salt!

    I would keep running - I stopped for a few months while following a rehab program specifically put together for me and it was a bad idea. I was missing the running itself but I also wasn't getting any feedback about whether I was making useful progress or not. I also thought that 15 - 20 mins here and there would be a waste of time considering what I had been doing before but with the benefit of hindsight I was wrong. In the end what mattered was running not my ability to do the exercises that should have helped me to run.

    Rehab broke me in the end - I'm very much a night owl and I was getting up at 5:30 to go to the gym 4 days a week - religiously going through my exercises and I didn't get anywhere. I was highly motivated but after 3 or 4 months when I realised that I was no better able to run than I had been before the previous few months I was left quite depressed. I would keep running, I would ask more questions of my physio - I would keep running. Rehabbing is a tough often lonely trail - I'd go easier on myself.

    I'd set specific measurable targets sooner and when reaching or getting near to them didn't fix or noticeably improve the problem I'd ask why and I'd ask for new ones. I don't have a problem with failure - I have a huge problem with a failure to recognise failure and try to improve.

    I'd take control of my own rehab sooner. I would change my view of the professionals from people who could 'fix' me to people who could give me ideas about how I could fix myself. I'd try better to understand the reasoning behind the ideas and question it more.

    I'd find a different physio earlier - experiment with more ideas, find out what worked and follow my own intuition and experience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Murph_D wrote: »
    Hard luck, A. You burn so brightly, there's bound to be some setbacks along the way. Good luck with the rebuild.
    Ah thanks D. Yes, I suppose with hindsight - wonderful invention - this was kinda inevitable taking into account my 'previous'. Good in a way that it has arisen now, i.e., earlier rather than later. As coachy says, it's a learning curve....
    diego_b wrote: »
    Best of luck with it DG, I was at the resistance bands this time last year....with those and subsequent progression through body weight and now additional weight (kettle bells are my favourite) it has worked well so far. It is very frustrating but stick to the plan and you'll be writing new epic race reports in the not distant future!
    Thanks D. Yes, you've been very diligent and it is certainly paying off for you, something I will be reminding myself of when five minutes sitting down is more attractibpve than five mins with the resistance band!
    Kennyg71 wrote: »
    Sorry to hear that A,but i'm sure you'll be back stronger than ever when over haul completed, take your time & mind the body.
    Thanks G and yes boss, will do ;)
    Mrs Mc wrote: »
    Bummer A you have a bad few months of injury and niggles (still managed some amazing results) hopefully this is only a minor set back and will just take a bit of time. Good luck with the recovery.
    Thanks A :) Fingers crossed and yes, am thankful that I'm not actually injured. Here, it is a 'choice' and not something that has been imposed :eek: well, that's what ai keep telling myself :D
    Clearlier wrote: »
    Sorry to hear of you woes A. You probably know that I've spent many months on rehab and there are a couple of things that I'd change if I had my time again. Obviously this isn't advice so much as a food for thought - we're all an experiment of one etc. so grab a large pinch of salt!

    I would keep running - I stopped for a few months while following a rehab program specifically put together for me and it was a bad idea. I was missing the running itself but I also wasn't getting any feedback about whether I was making useful progress or not. I also thought that 15 - 20 mins here and there would be a waste of time considering what I had been doing before but with the benefit of hindsight I was wrong. In the end what mattered was running not my ability to do the exercises that should have helped me to run.

    Rehab broke me in the end - I'm very much a night owl and I was getting up at 5:30 to go to the gym 4 days a week - religiously going through my exercises and I didn't get anywhere. I was highly motivated but after 3 or 4 months when I realised that I was no better able to run than I had been before the previous few months I was left quite depressed. I would keep running, I would ask more questions of my physio - I would keep running. Rehabbing is a tough often lonely trail - I'd go easier on myself.

    I'd set specific measurable targets sooner and when reaching or getting near to them didn't fix or noticeably improve the problem I'd ask why and I'd ask for new ones. I don't have a problem with failure - I have a huge problem with a failure to recognise failure and try to improve.

    I'd take control of my own rehab sooner. I would change my view of the professionals from people who could 'fix' me to people who could give me ideas about how I could fix myself. I'd try better to understand the reasoning behind the ideas and question it more.

    I'd find a different physio earlier - experiment with more ideas, find out what worked and follow my own intuition and experience.
    Hi M, thanks for that, it all resonated, especially the highlighted bits. Ok, I'm not a night owl....

    I don't think I'll be completely off running for long, from talking with coachy, we might introduce some short runs later this week or early next week.

    Thanks again all, I love how we all feel each other's pain here ❤️ ������


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Ooh ooh ooh emoticons work now!!! Watch out boardsies......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    Sorry to hear you are sidelined DG but sounds like you have a plan and all going well you will come back stronger and faster!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭martyboy48


    Good luck with the rehab DG, hope it goes well for you.
    There's a lot of fecked peeps around these parts this year :(

    "A setback is a setup for a comeback".... I'm gonna embed that into my brain when I need to look at the bigger picture :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,883 ✭✭✭Younganne


    Best of luck with the rehab Dubgal. There'll be no stopping you on your return!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    spaceylou wrote: »
    Sorry to hear you are sidelined DG but sounds like you have a plan and all going well you will come back stronger and faster!
    Thanks spaceylou! Yup, stronger and faster is definitely in the plan ;)
    martyboy48 wrote: »
    Good luck with the rehab DG, hope it goes well for you.
    There's a lot of fecked peeps around these parts this year :(

    "A setback is a setup for a comeback".... I'm gonna embed that into my brain when I need to look at the bigger picture :p
    Thanks marty, yeah must be crock season or something :eek: That quote is catchy alright isn't it?!
    It's something our gorgeous club captain always reminds us of:

    'whatever injury or niggle happens now, will have no bearing on your targets/plans in one, two years time. Always keep a long term goal so the immediate goal is not the be-all and end-all'
    Younganne wrote: »
    Best of luck with the rehab Dubgal. There'll be no stopping you on your return!
    Thanks YA! Let's hope. It's quite nice starting from a base of near-to-zero...the only way is up, yes?!! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,415 ✭✭✭Singer


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    It's quite nice starting from a base of near-to-zero...the only way is up, yes?!! :)

    If anyone knows how to do a comeback it's yourself!

    Hope the rehab/rebuilding goes well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    You'll be like the bionic woman when you're back :D. Best of luck with the rehab and keep us updated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Singer wrote: »
    If anyone knows how to do a comeback it's yourself!

    Hope the rehab/rebuilding goes well.
    Ha B and thanks :)
    Bungy Girl wrote: »
    You'll be like the bionic woman when you're back :D. Best of luck with the rehab and keep us updated.
    Sssh or TbL will be wanting some of my spare parts...not to mention all the other auldies.

    Will do but so far it consists of:

    clams with resistance band
    other version of clams with resistance band
    lateral steps with resistance band above knee
    lateral steps with resistance band around ankle.

    Lots of technique on these...STOP sniggering!!

    Piriformis stretch (left)
    Hip flexor stretch (right)

    And pilates, will keep that going! All well with you?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭RedRunner


    Best of luck in building yourself back up A. Struggling myself these days so I completely empathise! Still trying to find that magic formula that can keep me running "All the time" and get consistency into my training . I think it is at the bottom of the Holy Grail or something but will keep searching:).

    I hope you find your biomechanical formula.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭Neady83


    If anyone can come back stronger and faster from an injury ... you can :) No athlete is every truly tested until they've stared an injury in the face and come out the other side ... you'll be must stronger mentally and physically after a Winter of strength work like above :) That resistance band work is not easy so kudos for giving it a go :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 425 ✭✭Mulberry


    Hope you don't need to be off for too long, I shall miss your always-interesting log!
    BTW I just started working with resistance bands too and yes, boy do they burn...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭jake1970


    Sorry to hear of your injury woes A, best of luck with the rehab and hopefully you will be back running and competing sooner rather than later.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    RedRunner wrote: »
    Best of luck in building yourself back up A. Struggling myself these days so I completely empathise! Still trying to find that magic formula that can keep me running "All the time" and get consistency into my training . I think it is at the bottom of the Holy Grail or something but will keep searching:).

    I hope you find your biomechanical formula.
    Thanks R...frustrating isn't it?! All the best to you...
    Neady83 wrote: »
    If anyone can come back stronger and faster from an injury ... you can :) No athlete is every truly tested until they've stared an injury in the face and come out the other side ... you'll be must stronger mentally and physically after a Winter of strength work like above :) That resistance band work is not easy so kudos for giving it a go :)
    Ah thanks Neady! Yeah...and hungry for it too ;)
    Mulberry wrote: »
    Hope you don't need to be off for too long, I shall miss your always-interesting log!
    BTW I just started working with resistance bands too and yes, boy do they burn...
    Thanks R, well talking of logs....got yours going yet????
    jake1970 wrote: »
    Sorry to hear of your injury woes A, best of luck with the rehab and hopefully you will be back running and competing sooner rather than later.
    Thanks L, yup the sooner than rather than later would definitely be preferable but as coachy pointed out today...."your goal, your only goal for now is to get back to training pain free". He must have smelled the impatience off me!

    I have permission to jog for up to 30 mins starting this weekend. Whoop whoop, tis the little things :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Duanington


    Best of luck with the rehab A - great that you have a routine to follow though, hopefully if you can embrace that like you embrace your running, you'll be bullet proof when you're back in action


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Firedance


    Just catching up here :( bummer A but +1 to what everyone else has said. Hope the rehab is quick and successful xx


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Duanington wrote: »
    Best of luck with the rehab A - great that you have a routine to follow though, hopefully if you can embrace that like you embrace your running, you'll be bullet proof when you're back in action
    Thanks D, have to be truthful, it's not running so a bit harder to embrace enthusiastically but it's a means to an end....running :)
    Firedance wrote: »
    Just catching up here :( bummer A but +1 to what everyone else has said. Hope the rehab is quick and successful xx

    Thanks AM, I will be applying your pragmatism, patience and perseverance from earlier this year! X


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Log update:

    Nothing detailed to report but I cautiously started jogging two weeks ago with outings every second day or so of 30 mins, progressing up to 40-50 mins.

    A few of these mid-week runs included a 15-20 min section in bare feet on grass. I particularly enjoyed these runs and was conscious of maintaining good form throughout. I get quite excited about these runs.

    Weekly pilates has continued and I wonder have these classes started to take effect as my torso feels stronger - not necessarily leaner :o - when running. Maybe my imagination.

    The benefit of the pirformis, hip flexor and resistance work is not imaginary. All running to date has been pain free with no flare ups afterwards. Sometimes towards the end of a run, my hip has started to fatigue but that is usually when the pace has been too fast :rolleyes: On occasion, I have had to stop myself bopping down the road but that has a lot to do with the fact that there have been some spectacular autumnal running days recently.

    Fluidity came back reasonably quickly and in the absence of a watch (just been running by time), am cautiously optimistic that I haven't bled too much fitness.

    Myself and H, another training partner on a mini break, had a 'back to school' taste this morning when we met up with two other clubmates at 7:30am for our Sunday morning run. Yep, holidays are over :D
    I had a very successful and enjoyable 60mins last week with Nop so had permission to increase it to 70 mins this morning. This went well, all comfortable...until I stopped :rolleyes: Poor leggies stiffened up like I'd done two hours but a good stretching session with some foam rolling - yes, you read correctly - eased them out enormously.

    Trying to get back to Carlow for a follow up session and biomechanical assessment has been a logistical nightmare but will hopefully get down this weekend. from this, the next phase of training can be laid down but probably won't involve much more than incorporating some weekly strides.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Mon

    3 v v easy miles

    No real need to go out for this but I had a morning free and had a 'banking day' in mind. Intended to go for longer but only managed about three miles as legs felt heavy.

    That may have been due to the drinks consumed in McGs on Sunday so I am blaming Murph, FBOT, Nop and KennyG for that one. It was lovely to catch up with annapr, aquinn, Mrs Mc, TFGR, diego and denis et al along with a few other boardsies. I am reminded how lucky we are with the A/R resource. It was also great to meet some new - and not so new - boardsies in the guise of The Muppet, Wubble Wubble, Pomplamousse and spaceylou. Well done to all on marathon Sunday and most of all, well done to nop, Firedance and the back room crew who gave so much of their expertise and spare time to help make 26.2 miles such a memorable experience.


    Tuesday

    56 mins incl 6x100m strides at around 40-45mins. This felt good, not too wooden on strides.


    Wed

    Rest. Started to feel a bit yuck throughout the day, culminating in a fairly intense, but luckily short, bout of gastro. Had the shivers and chills all night.



    Thur

    Umm probably not wise but an easy 35 mins :o I was able to stay in bed until 4pm so figured I needed to clear a few cobwebs. It was just the ticket and felt ok at my snail's pace.



    Fri

    8 miles incl 2x1 mile tempo, 1 min rec

    First session in forever! I was excited and nervous about this. Headed out around midday and donned shorts and racers. I felt 'ok' on jog to park; not bouncing but not leaden either.

    The plan was to focus totally on effort for this and not to take note of pace. As coachy keeps saying "your goal is to run pain free, we'll take care of the pace later". Luckily there are some fresh mile and km markers in the park so I was able to get stuck in right from the park gates.

    I'm pretty sure I got the effort bang on with these, phew, 'comfortably hard'. The recovery went super super quick and at this stage I was slightly worried that I had overcooked the first one. I had a mental and physical blip at 600m but did a little relaxing and mind emptying. For some reason, I also started daydreaming about a scaffolded, similar session I would do very successfully in a few weeks and within 200m, realised I was cruising again. The power of the mind, eh?

    I finished this session quietly elated to have completed any sort step up in training completely pain free. In fact, all running lately has been pain free so being consistent with pilates and very diligent with the resistance band works seems to be paying off.


    Sat

    35 mins v easy


    Sun

    11.xx miles

    A lovely, wonderful, fresh, pain free and chatty 92 mins with a clubmate on road, tarmac and some grass. I love you, legs.
    I have gradually broken in my insoles and this was the first lsr with them in. I seem to have got away with only slight chafing on one of my inner arches but my upper bones on the right foot seemed a bit tight on Monday. Something to watch.


    Weekly breakdown:

    35ish miles incl

    6 days running
    1 mr with strides
    1 tempo
    1 lsr
    3 easy/rec runs
    1 gastro bug
    0 painful runs :cool:

    Lots of clams, side lunges and spine curls, pelvic curls and abdomen curls.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Well done, nothing beats the feeling when you're coming back strong from the despair of injury/not running

    Keep it going aul wan :)

    TbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Well done, nothing beats the feeling when you're coming back strong from the despair of injury/not running

    Keep it going aul wan :)

    TbL
    <3
    And with that, I am delighted and disgusted to be officially classed in this club :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    WEEK 2 base building

    MON
    Rest


    TUE
    7ish miles incl 8x100 strides
    at about 40 mins. Can't remember much about this. Pretty sure this was a good week overall

    WED
    50 mins rec


    THUR
    No running:
    cycling and Pilates. This is getting easier. Well, not exactly, just I seem to be managing the moves better. Am definitely feeling a difference all over.

    FRI
    8-9? Miles incl 3x1 mile tempo, 1 min rec

    Felt great on these. No idea what pace they were at but it is lovely - really lovely - (cue eye roll) just listening to the body and its feedback. Gorgeous morning too for this. Whatever about pace on these, I think I am getting the effort bang on.

    SAT
    Biomechanical assessment in Carlow

    Yay, lots wrong. I say yay because that means lots to put right. And the even better news is that it's all quite fixable.

    I am starting to get some points of consensus from the various physios and therapists I have seen recently. Two agree that my mobility is very good and most suggest that my glutes are weak. Two agree that my pelvis is tilted forward on the right side, affecting the hip/glute area on the left and tightening the hip flexor on the right, resulting in knee discomfort on the right.

    Paul, the exercise therapist and biomechanical assessor in the Réalta clinic has given me a follow on programme from my previous visit with Eddie last month:

    TO DO EACH DAY
    Resistance band:

    Clams to fatigue (base starting point was 30. Am up to 30+. He wants 45-50 by early December :eek:
    Fire hydrants to fatigue. As above
    Side steps above knee 60 secs, work up to 90 secs
    Side steps band on ankle as above

    Stretching:
    Piriformis for 45 secs each leg
    Pigeon pose with one arm hooked under to deepen each stretch. Hold for 45 secs
    Hip flexor stretch with rear foot hooked up on step and arm raised in air
    Standing forward A shape hamstring stretch

    Foot raises, not to lower to ground keeping ankles straight and not bowing outx 20

    He also wants me to run tall and extend my stride slightly. This - duh - means running faster so after a bit of discussion with coachy, we have decided to compromise on this and only extend for now on certain runs, i.e., not the lsr.
    The other important thing is to keep an eye on cadence. I will do a spot check now and then and so far so good; 180 per 60 seconds on a warm down jog. Will also spot check when lengthening stride at various efforts. If the cadence lowers to much at an easy effort, will keep cadence over stride length if that makes sense?

    I tried out the longer stride length on a recovery run and yes, glided along at an easier effort but went waaaaaay tooo fast for a recovery run which is one of the reasons I.....

    SUN
    12ish lsr

    .....blew up pretty spectacularly at exactly 89 mins into a 100min run. Ouchers. A few reasons for this: early start (7:30), low fuel, pace too fast at certain points and above recovery run too fast following the tempo miles the previous day.

    This had a knock on effect of making the hip fatigued and twingy for the rest of the day. So shoulda rested.......

    WEEKLY BREAKDOWN:
    35-37 miles incl
    5 days running
    ? Unlogged cycling
    1 run incl strides
    1 tempo session
    1 lsr
    1 crash and burn
    1 pilates class
    1 bio mechanical assessment
    Lots of clams and butt work


    WEEK 3 Base building

    MON
    .......but didn't
    A LOT of cycling :o Had to take the bike in to have its newbie check and the only way to get there is, well, by cycling. So plonked the birthday boy in the bike for a 26 mile round trip with the promise of a juice and cake at the half way mark. Four year olds are easily bribed satisfied :)

    TUE no cycling
    definitely not recovered so swapped Tuesday's 8miles with strides for a recovery/45 mins

    Clams etc done

    WED no cycling
    7 miles with 10x100m strides
    . Better. Did these as back and forth 100 accels rather than a continuous run but kept the jog going on each. For some reason I seem to find it easier to keep good form this way.
    Rub down from coachy. All good til he got to the quads. Jaypers ouch....and then the elbow in my hip.....let's not talk about this any more or I won't go back :eek: And here I was feeling all smug after a Thai massage a couple of weeks ago when Boh (?) told me I was getting the hang of this deep tissue torture.....To be fair, one of the therapists at Saturday's clinic warned this would happen with the step up in the rehab routine. Wrecked after.
    Clams etc maybe done.

    THUR
    Rest
    with cycling and Pilates. Love this class.
    Clams etc done

    FRI
    8.5 incl 2 mile tempo
    . Good.
    Thai massage (not ideal so close to coachy's rub down but I had double booked). Again, from the hip to knee still v v tight. No compliments this week about how much looser I was getting.....Wrecked that night.
    Clams etc done, no cycling. Am going to try keep my legs fresh for session days; running only.

    SAT
    Rest
    , unscheduled but did my exercises

    SUN
    13.5 lsr

    7:45am start. Met with two club mates for lsr, 50ish mins on road, rest on grass in local park. This was great. Pace constant and comfortable this week, company great as usual and time flew. Gorgeous fresh morning although probably a bit ambitious wearing just shorts and t. Felt grand while running but took ages to warm up after, despite having a shower straight away.
    I've been trying to take a leaf out of Myles Splitz' book and running very slow and comfortably on easy and recovery days. 2:43 for 26.2 says it did him no harm whatsoever!

    WEEKLY BREAKDOWN:
    34 miles incl
    4 days running
    1 mega cycling day
    1 run with strides
    1 successful tempo
    1 lsr
    2 torture sessions
    1 love affair with clams. Really.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Only catching up with this now. Nice to meet another top class mentor :) Keep up the good work!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    Jasus - two deep tissue in one week, you are a brave brave woman! Good to see you seem to be enjoying (mostly) the base building!

    Just wondering how do you measure your cadence? I know my garmin gives a figure for it but as garmin lives on my wrist and its my legs do the running I always figured its a stat to be taken with a pinch of salt, or is it generally sufficiently close enough to use?

    thanks L


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Only catching up with this now. Nice to meet another top class mentor :) Keep up the good work!
    Was good to meet you too! Hope the recovery is going well.
    spaceylou wrote: »
    Jasus - two deep tissue in one week, you are a brave brave woman! Good to see you seem to be enjoying (mostly) the base building!

    Just wondering how do you measure your cadence? I know my garmin gives a figure for it but as garmin lives on my wrist and its my legs do the running I always figured its a stat to be taken with a pinch of salt, or is it generally sufficiently close enough to use?

    thanks L
    Hi L. Yeah, it was far from ideal so have juggled things so they are more spaced in future, phew :) Not to mention my poor wallet :D

    I counted my cadence the old fashioned way, surprise surprise :rolleyes: :D
    I set the stopwatch and counted my left leg footfall for 60 seconds = 90 and doubled that to calculate for both legs. I wouldn't have a clue how a garmin calculates (surprise surprise :D ) but I would think - hope! - there is a stopwatch function on the garmin?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭spaceylou


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Was good to meet you too! Hope the recovery is going well.

    Hi L. Yeah, it was far from ideal so have juggled things so they are more spaced in future, phew :) Not to mention my poor wallet :D

    I counted my cadence the old fashioned way, surprise surprise :rolleyes: :D
    I set the stopwatch and counted my left leg footfall for 60 seconds = 90 and doubled that to calculate for both legs. I wouldn't have a clue how a garmin calculates (surprise surprise :D ) but I would think - hope! - there is a stopwatch function on the garmin?

    Ahh so you measure it specifically, I thought you knew at the end of your run that cadence was generally x.... This makes more sense, thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    week beg Mon 21 Nov

    STEP BACK WEEK
    MON
    Rest

    Resistance band and stretching done

    TUE
    6 miles with 6x100m strides.
    Could feel glutes engaging on these strides and a modicum of dormant power whispering that it is on its way back. Encouraging

    WED
    5 miles easy

    - side lunges with resistance band only

    THUR
    Rest,
    running
    Cycling plus Pilates class

    - Resistance band routine, stretching done in Pilates

    FRI
    Unscheduled rest
    , just couldn't get out.
    - Made sure to pay extra attention to technique on resistance band routine. Ouchy.

    SAT
    Parkrun 5k in 20:11;
    1st female and 9th o/a
    The aim of this was to establish a bench mark for the rest of this training block, i.e., to return to paced and timed tempos etc. Bleh.

    Joe, a clubmate, very kindly paced me around the run. We were bang on 4 mins for the first 1k loop (maybe ever so slightly under) and when he asked me how it felt, I was able to say 'comfortable' totally truthfully. On the next 2k loop, (12:05 at 3k) when he asked, I was only able to say/blurt 'ok' as the pinching was increasing and by the next 2k loop, it was real dig in time.
    Overall, I am very pleased with the distribution of effort on this and considering it was the first race effort since August, I was able to employ all the usual tricks we use to get ourselves around these things: relaxing, mantra, digging, relaxing, not letting the elastic of next competitor slip, reeling them in and emptying the tank at the end. I was able to kick and finish strong at the end, something I haven't been able to do since July.

    Yay. On reflection, this was an excellent early season bench mark and leaves me quite optimistic for 2017. This time a year ago, I was setting similar benchmarks on the same course in 20:04 and 20:06 but these were set 4 months into base building and conditioning with some racing whereas this is four weeks into base building.

    PM
    - resistance band routine completed plus
    - Curls: spinal, pelvic to glute bridge and stomach
    - Rehab stretching
    - Other stuff

    SUN
    10 miles
    (ish) at easy pace and effort, on grass.

    I had the choice of doing the usual: early lsr and spending the rest of Sunday cleaning up the house, shopping, club admin and prepping for the rest of the week while the kids spend the day with their dad. The usual drudgy *yawn*. Instead, I decided to take the day 'off' and watch the National cross country championships in Abbotstown. My friend's daughter had qualified for one of the juvenile races and when I heard that Ciara Mageean was running, that clinched it. The women's line up was intriguing - and strong. In the absence of Fionnuala McCormack and Lizzie Lee, it was wide open but my money was on Ciara.

    My task, while the races were going, was to run 10 miles. As running around the measured 2k race loop was out of the question, I decided to do 1h20-25 mins. I found a nice loop on the warm up track, part of which ran parallel to the race course. So after watching my young friend's race, I was able to keep half an eye on proceedings. My main aim was to watch the senior race but as the races ticked off, I realised I would make it back to watch the u/18 and junior women's race.

    We were on the same loop for warm up and it began to register with me as I observed some in seemingly light-hearted chat, some doing their tailored dynamic stretches and being pep-talked by their coaches, some absorbed in their pre-race 'zone' that I was feeling their adrenaline. A big smile grew on my face as I began to think that 26 years ago (eek), I fcuking won this thing. As I haven't been to a national champs xc in nearly 26 years, it was only today that I was able to appreciate it in context and even perhaps only today appreciate fully my achievement. I allowed that smile to grow a little more and hugged it to myself for the remaining 20 mins of my run. (Not even the thought that I was then on the brink of a miserable few years of self-hate and destruction was enough to remove it.) In some weird synchronicity, the u/18 race was won today by a Sli Cualann clubmate :) :cool:

    The senior women's race did not disappoint. Shona Heaslip (still u/23) ran away - literally - with it on the last lap with Ciara Mageean pipped on the line for second to an excellent run from Kerry O'Flaherty. There were three Olympians in this - four if you count Maria McCambridge who should be in that club - and while a disappointingly small field, the depth in the top 20 was impressive.
    The course mostly lends itself to support with crossover points and a quick access to the finish line. There are some dips coming out of the woodlands with about 700m from the finish and watching the pack silently crest the horizon from 100m away is simply magical.

    I was introduced to a few Donore women afterwards and it was a pleasure to chat with them. B O'C, a previous mini marathon winner, had a super return to race form, finishing in the top 20 and FC showed the true team spirit that exists in clubs like this by turning out to slog away on a gruelling 8k because her team needed her.

    I also got to shake hands with the living legend that is Ann Woodlock: inveterate veteran/masters runner who in her eighth decade is travelling the world to different world championships in pursuit - and achievement of - world and European titles. She wants a partner to travel to South Korea for the Masters World Indoors next March. I passed her your number, TAbL, hope you don't mind.....

    And then, the icing on the cake was having a wee chat on my departure with none other than Ciara Mageean. She was having a chat with a friend of coachy's and my dad's so I congratulated her on a fab run today and a fab year. I told her that I hadn't been to a national xc ch'ships in 26 years but when I heard she was running, I had to come. I held out my hand to shake, to which she replied 'naw I'm gonnae give ye a hug for that'. Consider me hugged, what a gorgeous person.

    WEEKLY BREAKDOWN 28 or so miles
    4 days running incl
    1 run with strides
    1 easy run
    1 pilates session
    1 zillion clams n stuff. Well it feels like it....
    1 parkrun
    10 miles while watching
    1 National Cross Country Championships watched and #makemyweek:
    1 hug from Ciara Mageean ❤️❤️❤️


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    Brilliant update, DG! Delighted base building going so well and dem glutes be firing!

    Surprise win in the women's seniors all right, fair play to her. I saw a short clip on FB and SH looked very comfortable with a lap to go.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭nop98


    Well done on the parkrun win, DG! :) That's good going. I was planning to run it too (at respectable distance obviously) but real life dictated otherwise. Nice week for you! We should clock up some easy miles some weekend if you like.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Bungy Girl wrote: »
    Brilliant update, DG! Delighted base building going so well and dem glutes be firing!

    Surprise win in the women's seniors all right, fair play to her. I saw a short clip on FB and SH looked very comfortable with a lap to go.

    Yeah, was talking to BC (16th) afterwards and she said the pace was phenomenal. Nobody was looking comfortable except Shona! I was about 150m from the finish and saw a smile breaking out as she realised it was hers....gorgeous!
    nop98 wrote: »
    Well done on the parkrun win, DG! :) That's good going. I was planning to run it too (at respectable distance obviously) but real life dictated otherwise. Nice week for you! We should clock up some easy miles some weekend if you like.

    Thanks N. Yeah will probably doing my lsr later rather than earlier next Sunday if you're about? It will be easy, I warn you, I plan to be in a fragile state :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭Kennyg71


    Found your log for you A, you know ya wanna. Best luck Sunday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Kennyg71 wrote: »
    Found your log for you A, you know ya wanna. Best luck Sunday.

    Thanks G, insert a few extra hours in the day and I'll think about it :D Now go brush that log-dust off yourself!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭El Caballo


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Thanks G, insert a few extra hours in the day and I'll think about it :D Now go brush that log-dust off yourself!

    Wednesday is the longest day of the year so no excuses now:p. I want an update:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    El Caballo wrote: »
    Wednesday is the longest day of the year so no excuses now:p. I want an update:)

    Talk to you Wednesday so :P :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    Talk to you Wednesday so :P :P

    Hi El C. Reporting for duty sah!

    Nothing much to report I'm afraid. Our Wednesday update was neither cheeky, nor arbitrary; I had entered for a graded 3000m at Tallaght but child care *issues* scuppered that.

    Quite frustrating really and confidence is at a low low with the 'main thing' - the European Masters - in 5 weeks time (1500 and 800). A rest and base building/strengthening block after the road relays extended a tad too far into June, leaving me now with five weeks to sharpen up and race myself fit. On the plus side, niggles are practically absent, probably cos I am doing fcuk all to aggravate them!

    I had some rather shocking news re a family member in May which threw me mentally all over the place. This may have also transferred itself to me physically and is manifesting in lethargy, swollen glands and too many 'down days' in training (ultrasound in October, *sigh*).
    School holidays are looming and as a single parent, this means 'get out and run' cards diminish significantly. On the plus side, I get to run and run frequently, unlike the family member who will probably never get to their 'happy place' ever again....

    So there ya have it :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,516 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    I hear congratulations are in order? In which case, congrats!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭Testosterscone


    Murph_D wrote: »
    I hear congratulations are in order? In which case, congrats!

    Looks like a fairly dominant performance to, with the double still to come ;)

    Super running


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    Looks like a fairly dominant performance to, with the double still to come ;)

    Super running

    Well done A!!!!!! Congrats on the bling :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    Looks like a fairly dominant performance to, with the double still to come ;)

    Super running

    Gold in the 800, bronze in the 1500... Congrats A and let's be having an oul' report!!!!


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