The Mega Mk7 Golf GTI/GTD/R thread

drunkmonkey

Didn't work, still saying insert proper media. It knew the SD card was there but it wasn't what it was looking for. Going to try download the map material now and see does that do it.
From what i'm reading online you need the proper vw card to begin with. Not sure how much VW charge for a new one.

Ron Burgundy II

You need to use the SD card that is in the car. Make a back up of the data first before you download the new file

dastardly00

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this:
https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/volkswagen/golf/used-2019-191-volkswagen-golf-golf-gt-galway-fpa-201809110388021

GTI PP DSG with ACC, pano sunroof, Tech pack, pro nav system upgrade.
The colour was putting me off until I actually saw it in the flesh and I actually like it. I'm not a huge fan of the 18" standard alloys either. Other than that it ticks pretty much all the boxes for me.

SaintsYB

I personally don't mind the colour. It's a bit of a strangely specced car though. I'd sooner go for the 19" alloys over the upgraded infotainment. It has everything else you'd want though bar DCC.

Just as a side note though, I had this car saved on Carzone before it was registered and it was listed at €43,572.

shanec1928

dastardly00 wrote: »

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this:
https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/volkswagen/golf/used-2019-191-volkswagen-golf-golf-gt-galway-fpa-201809110388021

GTI PP DSG with ACC, pano sunroof, Tech pack, pro nav system upgrade.
The colour was putting me off until I actually saw it in the flesh and I actually like it. I'm not a huge fan of the 18" standard alloys either. Other than that it ticks pretty much all the boxes for me.

have they not had that sitting around for a good while un registered?or another one in the same color? color is rank personally.

fletch

Yeh colour wouldn't be for me, it just doesn't sit well with the red accents of the GTI.

JoeA3

dastardly00 wrote: »

Just wondering what people's thoughts are on this:
https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/volkswagen/golf/used-2019-191-volkswagen-golf-golf-gt-galway-fpa-201809110388021

GTI PP DSG with ACC, pano sunroof, Tech pack, pro nav system upgrade.
The colour was putting me off until I actually saw it in the flesh and I actually like it. I'm not a huge fan of the 18" standard alloys either. Other than that it ticks pretty much all the boxes for me.

They’ve had it sitting on the forecourt / in the showroom since July 2017! They must have only just registered it recently and now selling it as a 2019 demo. They got stung on the colour. It’s called black Rubin so they weren’t expecting a purple car to show up.

I’d be asking questions personally... what kind of effects has it suffered having sat around idle for so long? I’d be looking at the tyres, they might need changing. And all fluids etc too. What’s the warranty situation too... will VW still honour a 3 year warranty from now on it?

If all the above questions are answered to your satisfaction and you like the colour, then why not. It has a big spec. Definitely a 50k car if you spec’d it up but I’d want it cheaper than 44k.

dastardly00

SaintsYB wrote: »

I personally don't mind the colour. It's a bit of a strangely specced car though. I'd sooner go for the 19" alloys over the upgraded infotainment. It has everything else you'd want though bar DCC.

It is strange that it has loads of extras but not the upgraded wheels.

I saw it had ACC which I (stupidly) assumed was Adaptive Chassis Control (that's the same as Dynamic Chassis Control??), but in the ad it actually says Adaptive Cruise Control

dastardly00

JoeA3 wrote: »

They’ve had it sitting on the forecourt / in the showroom since July 2017! They must have only just registered it recently and now selling it as a 2019 demo. They got stung on the colour. It’s called black Rubin so they weren’t expecting a purple car to show up.

I’d be asking questions personally... what kind of effects has it suffered having sat around idle for so long? I’d be looking at the tyres, they might need changing. And all fluids etc too. What’s the warranty situation too... will VW still honour a 3 year warranty from now on it?

If all the above questions are answered to your satisfaction and you like the colour, then why not. It has a big spec. Definitely a 50k car if you spec’d it up but I’d want it cheaper than 44k.

Cheers for the input JoeA3. I had seen an ad for it a few months ago (i.e. in 2018) and it was unregistered. But if they have it since 2017 then that's really odd! It was registered as a 2019 this week

SaintsYB

dastardly00 wrote: »

It is a strange that it has loads of extras but not the upgraded wheels.

I saw it had ACC which I (stupidly) assumed was Adaptive Chassis Control (that's the same as Dynamic Chassis Control??), but in the ad it actually says Adaptive Cruise Control

Yeah, Dynamic Chassis Control is the adaptive suspension. I personally wouldn't bother speccing the cruise control. I'm not sure if you'd need the DCC on it as it has the smaller alloys. Someone else may be able to advise you better though.

JoeA3

dastardly00 wrote: »

Cheers for the input JoeA3. I had seen an ad for it a few months ago (i.e. in 2018) and it was unregistered. But if they have it since 2017 then that's really odd! It was registered as a 2019 this week

Yep. So it has a fairly odd history. I’ve seen it in the metal many times. The colour is an acquired taste and I agree they should have put 19’s on it and perhaps dropped the pro nav. Wheels are easily changed though. They spec’d it up on a whim, as a stock car, and picked that colour having never seen it!

It’s possible that they’re forced to register it now or else some penalty from VW kicks in and/or the warranty becomes a problem.

I wonder would they even mention to an interested customer that it isn’t exactly factory fresh. That said, cars do sit around in warehouses and docks all the time so it’s probably not that unusual.

dastardly00

JoeA3 wrote: »

Yep. So it has a fairly odd history. I’ve seen it in the metal many times. The colour is an acquired taste and I agree they should have put 19’s on it and perhaps dropped the pro nav. Wheels are easily changed though. They spec’d it up on a whim, as a stock car, and picked that colour having never seen it!

It’s possible that they’re forced to register it now or else some penalty from VW kicks in and/or the warranty becomes a problem.

I wonder would they even mention to an interested customer that it isn’t exactly factory fresh. That said, cars do sit around in warehouses and docks all the time so it’s probably not that unusual.

Joe, given that it is a 2017 "new" car, what kind of figure do you think it could go for? Just above €40k?

If I was interested in it, and I asked the dealer to swap the wheels and tyres for 19", would that negate any haggle room on the asking price? Any thoughts are much appreciated

drunkmonkey

SaintsYB wrote: »

Yeah, Dynamic Chassis Control is the adaptive suspension. I personally wouldn't bother speccing the cruise control. I'm not sure if you'd need the DCC on it as it has the smaller alloys. Someone else may be able to advise you better though.

I've only mine 24hrs and 500km clocked up, have had cruise control for as long as I remember, Ive been using the adaptive cruise control all day today and I think it's the best thing since sliced bread. It's a must have in my book.
Went for a manual, and I'm 7 years in an auto , the cruise control completes it. A joy to drive.

Not to beat around the bush but I hate that colour, didn't even bother gong to look at that one even though it was a nice spec.

JoeA3

dastardly00 wrote: »

Joe, given that it is a 2017 "new" car, what kind of figure do you think it could go for? Just above €40k?

If I was interested in it, and I asked the dealer to swap the wheels and tyres for 19", would that negate any haggle room on the asking price? Any thoughts are much appreciated

Yeah, I think I'd be looking at 38-40k. They probably won't entertain such an offer but they have been sitting on it for a very long time, so who knows

As for the wheels.... genuine 19" GTI wheels are expensive. You're looking at nearly 1k per rim retail before you put any tyres on it. Dealers would be funny about swapping wheels on a brand new car too, they'd be nervous about warranty, etc. They'd get them cheaper than retail of course, so they might try and get a deal for you on new wheels but I seriously doubt they'd be "throwing them in". Just don't go putting nasty replicas on it and/or crap tyres along with them.

SaintsYB

SaintsYB wrote: »

Yeah, Dynamic Chassis Control is the adaptive suspension. I personally wouldn't bother speccing the cruise control. I'm not sure if you'd need the DCC on it as it has the smaller alloys. Someone else may be able to advise you better though.

The ACC would be absolute must on the car it’s absolutely brilliant. First box I’d tick before anything else.

JoeA3

Lance Tall Beagle wrote: »

The ACC would be absolute must on the car it’s absolutely brilliant. First box I’d tick before anything else.

The ACC (dynamic cruise) is standard on every Golf. There's no box "to tick".

fletch

JoeA3 wrote: »

The ACC (dynamic cruise) is standard on every Golf. There's no box "to tick".

You sure? Just checked (the configurator) and basic cruise control is an option included in the Tech pack on the Trendline

Brochure suggests it's only standard on Comfortline and above too

Mickiemcfist

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Not to beat around the bush but I hate that colour, didn't even bother gong to look at that one even though it was a nice spec.

OP I think this is something to consider - at trade-in/sale time you'll have an issue. However as long as you feel enough wiggle room has been given in the purchase price to offset the likely cheaper trade in price you'll get (and you like the colour) - you're all good.

JoeA3

fletch wrote: »

You sure? Just checked (the configurator) and basic cruise control is an option included in the Tech pack on the Trendline

Brochure suggests it's only standard on Comfortline and above too

Right, maybe its not on the Trendline (which is terribly spec'd, down to a price point, for the rental companies), but who buys those... its on 95%+ of them sold here.

dastardly00

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I've only mine 24hrs and 500km clocked up, have had cruise control for as long as I remember, Ive been using the adaptive cruise control all day today and I think it's the best thing since sliced bread. It's a must have in my book.
Went for a manual, and I'm 7 years in an auto , the cruise control completes it. A joy to drive.

How long did it take yours to be built and delivered?

Muppet Man

FWIW, I love purple, and all shades of it, but it just doesn’t look right in the pictures. Maybe different in real life.

That being said - it’s something different to the usual red white blue black and silver that we see every day of the week. So it will defo ‘stand out’. Might be no fun trying to resell it because clearly there isn’t that much of a demand for it.

+1 for ACC. It’s incredibly convenient and well implemented by VW. It’s saved me from at least 1 m50 rear end in two years.

Muppet man.

drunkmonkey

dastardly00 wrote: »

How long did it take yours to be built and delivered?

Bought a 172 230bhp, was going to buy new but didn't want to take a chance before this wltp came in and this other one popped up at the right money. VW said they'd honour the 2018 price but couldn't confirm the tax which now looks like it's €750 a year.
It was coming in at €43069 for the manual performance and think they were saying end of February delivery but couldn't confirm because of the WLTP thing.

Hebegeebee

That Black Rubin was in Blackwater Motors in Cork City too at some stage in early 2018 unless there’s another BR coloured GTi-PP flying about.

JoeA3

I could be wrong but I don't think this particular one ever left Galway.

drunkmonkey

and I don't think it ever will....

tossy

I'd say if you went to buy that car and told them you knew it's history you'd have them on the back foot, as Joe said though questions would need to be answered namely warranty from purchase date in 2019. I'd get that in writing.

Toyotafanboi

All warranties are based on date of first reg, not build date, so warranty won't be an issue, or it will be no different to any other.

I seen a 181 registered Golf delivered last year that was built in May 15, seen a few Tiguans last year too that were laid up almost 2 years before delivery. I'm not trying to justify it but if you didn't know, you wouldn't know. In the case of that GTi, it probably hasn't even been outdoors?

If the dealer storage maintenance has been done properly, it should be ok to jump in and drive. There is checklists "to do" and "to replace" at various storage intervals.

JoeA3

The car definitely spent extended periods outdoors.

Anyway, pricing is confirmed for the TCR. Get yer orders in before they sell out!!

https://www.completecar.ie/car-news/article/8826/Pricing-confirmed-for-Volkswagen-Golf-GTI-TCR

kooga

Is the price of the TCR on par with the runout mark 7 clubsport?

SaintsYB

It's fairly pricey, isn't it? After speccing the upgrade pack, a tech pack and Dynaudio it's €80 shy of €52k. And that's a 3 door. It's another €1k for the 5 door if you go by the Belgian config.

After looking at the R price list, it's sat right in the middle of the DSG PP GTI and the R, €2k in the difference to each.

JoeA3

Yeah as I expected it’s about on a par with the CS. But when you add some spec (things that are standard in the R - 19’s, alarm) then it’s the more expensive car really.
They’re all gone very expensive very quickly. List prices are easily 5k+ more than what they were when I bought in 2015.

bazz26

WLTP has made the Mk7.5 expensive across the board now, even the lesser marmite models. It's really a model that's in it's last stage of its life cycle and VW were never going to make huge changes to it at this stage to adapt to the new WLTP standards. I'd expect the Mk8 to either be cheaper or better equipped for the same money when it launches later this year given that VW will benchmark from launch for WLTP. You will probably be waiting mid 2020 for the GTi/R models though.

Hebegeebee

JoeA3 wrote: »

I could be wrong but I don't think this particular one ever left Galway.

Jaysus, there's more than 1 Black Rubin GTi in the country, beggars belief!


The starting price for the CS 3dr DSG for Jan 2017 was €45795 so a bit of a hike for the TCR. €750 for the awful decals - a joke IMO.

drunkmonkey

It's never worth 10k over the standard GTI...

They finally have the tax up on the 2019 GTI, €390.

How if the co2 is gone up with the WLTP has the tax and cost not?

JoeA3

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's never worth 10k over the standard GTI...

They finally have the tax up on the 2019 GTI, €390.

How if the co2 is gone up with the WLTP has the tax and cost not?

€10k? The standard PP DSG is €45k now, so it’s more like ~3k.

The Co2 is 170 / 171 now, so that puts the tax at €570 (DSG) or €750 (manual). Must be a misprint in the product guide with either the co2 figure or the tax figure.

drunkmonkey

10k over the manual performance. It's on the VW Ireland website now with the 171co2 and €390 tax.

2.0 TSI

245hp / 180kw
6 speed manual
7.50 l/100km*2
171 g/km*2
Annual Road Tax
C / € 390
From € 41,595.00*1

Zubeneschamali

drunkmonkey wrote: »

10k over the manual performance.

48K over no car at all.


You can't compare it to a manual, it has DSG.

JoeA3

drunkmonkey wrote: »

10k over the manual performance. It's on the VW Ireland website now with the 171co2 and €390 tax.

2.0 TSI

245hp / 180kw
6 speed manual
7.50 l/100km*2
171 g/km*2
Annual Road Tax
C / € 390
From € 41,595.00*1

You’re not comparing like with like. The TCR is DSG only. The PP DSG is a touch over 45k.

It’s the product/price guide you need to look at. Not the numbers on the flashy website.

https://www.volkswagen.ie/content/dam/vw-ngw/vw_pkw/importers/ie/downloads/product-guides/20181219-golf-gti-gtd-r-december-2018.pdf/_jcr_content/renditions/original./20181219-golf-gti-gtd-r-december-2018.pdf

carsfan2

Is there much market for these more hard core gti models though?
The beauty of the car is that it is a great all rounder. By trying to make it more like a civic type r or focus rs they remove some of that and it falls down as a package overall in my view.

Mickiemcfist

carsfan2 wrote: »

Is there much market for these more hard core gti models though?
The beauty of the car is that it is a great all rounder. By trying to make it more like a civic type r or focus rs they remove some of that and it falls down as a package overall in my view.

I have a mk5 GTI with every extra & don't really see the value in dumping 20k to upgrade to a Mk7 with near enough the same power. (I've driven one & they're obviously better, but I wouldn't say they're 5 times better) However a TCR or R would definitely warrant it, I'm just waiting for R's to hit the mid 20s.

Also I want a more hardcore car but don't really like the English council estate image of focus RS's & Civic type R's have. (I think I read too many Max power magazines in the 90s/00s)

JoeA3

carsfan2 wrote: »

Is there much market for these more hard core gti models though?
The beauty of the car is that it is a great all rounder. By trying to make it more like a civic type r or focus rs they remove some of that and it falls down as a package overall in my view.

I don't think its anywhere close to "hard core" tbh. They've put the same engine into it as what's in the Leon Cupra and added a few relatively subtle trim changes (if you exclude those optional side decals).

I can see it being very desirable, it'd have that bit of exclusivity and would hold its value a bit better than standard GTI's. The flip side is, its a runout model, so after dropping 50k on it, you might be very disappointed if you really like the look of the MK8 when it appears 6 months later...

SaintsYB

JoeA3 wrote: »

€10k? The standard PP DSG is €45k now, so it’s more like ~3k.

It's 10k alright but only if you compare a fully loaded TCR to a "bog standard" manual PP with no options at all. So you can't compare.

NewApproach

What sort of mpg are you guys getting from Mk7 DSG R? I'm sat around 16mpg, mainly city driving - I wasn't expecting an ecobox but thought it would be in the 20s at least!

JoeA3

NewApproach wrote: »

What sort of mpg are you guys getting from Mk7 DSG R? I'm sat around 16mpg, mainly city driving - I wasn't expecting an ecobox but thought it would be in the 20s at least!

That’s pretty poor. I averaged around 28mpg. A lot of my driving was short commutes. Exclusively city stop/start driving really hammers mpg in any car though. You’d have to ask yourself if you really need a car, never mind an R!

tossy

Around 27mpg at the moment mix of town and motorway driving.

Hebegeebee

I believe they’re basing the CO2 figures on the NEDC2 figures (which are made up) in the interim before the WLTP figures come into play in 2020, yet they’re displaying the WLTP figures in all the documentation. It’s confusing and misleading to be honest.

drunkmonkey

Do the driving modes do anything for mpg? I've been switching between eco and sport. Only just refilled my first tank, 533km with 47L, that was a mix of city, country, town and motorway.
That's a manual 230...

hooch-85

533km to a tank from 47L so 32 mpg or so? Justifies my decision to go GTD. A GTi would have broke me.

Neilw

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Do the driving modes do anything for mpg? I've been switching between eco and sport. Only just refilled my first tank, 533km with 47L, that was a mix of city, country, town and motorway.
That's a manual 230...

I never once used eco mode, my driving in an R saw close to 30mpg nearly all the time.

JoeA3

There’s about 5-6mpg between the R and the GTI in my experience, with a mixture of real world driving.

~28mpg in the R.
~34mpg in GTI.

You’ll do a little better than that (by 3-4mpg) if you drive very handily on a long run.

ECO mode is pointless and downright stupid imo. The car actually coasts when you take your foot off the throttle and the brakes aren’t as effective. Not good.