The Mega Mk7 Golf GTI/GTD/R thread

OSI

OSI wrote: »

40 is spring afternoon at ten below the limit with no A/C, fresh tyres and a tail wind territory if you’re super diligent and driving a manual. No way you’d get anywhere near that long term.

And if you drove the GTD in a similar way you would be getting into the 50’s mpg.

You can’t compare a GTi driven like a nun to a GTD driven normally to make the mpg figures look closer.

Diesel also costs less than petrol which is often forgotten in making these comparisons.

UnknownSpecies

Thanks for the advice fellas. I might have to be patient and try to sell my own privately first going by that. I think it's still worth around 16 so I wouldn't be willing to give cash in a trade for a car worth around 15.

Also on the above, I think I could get 40mpg from the focus too if I tried really hard but that's not why I bought it!

hooch-85

Can't see you getting €15k for a 13 reg ST to be honest, especially not in a trade in you'll be lucky to be offered 12. The facelift ones from 16 on are only making €17-18k.

I traded my 16 reg Fiesta in July 18 and got 15 for it, it was 2 and half years old and immaculate, Ford's are not a great car to hold their value.

bazz26

The problem is that a Golf GTD even with high miles will sell all day long, a Focus ST petrol won't. A dealer will value it low in anticipation of having to sit on it for a good while until it sells. Also you will never get a true value on your car trading sideways, the dealer also has to make money on the deal as well as put a warranty on the car you are buying from them.

UnknownSpecies

UnknownSpecies wrote: »

.......... My new commute is around 240km round trip 2-3 times per week, so in total I'm estimating 25-30,000km yearly. I think 45-48mpg would be pretty acceptable. I know I could buy something even more economical but I'll miss the performance too much. I just have to accept some boredom until I manage to swing 100% remote working in my new place

UnknownSpecies wrote: »

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Also on the above, I think I could get 40mpg from the focus too if I tried really hard but that's not why I bought it!

30,000kms at 50mpg at €1.30/l diesel is €2213.25
30,000kms at 30mpg at €1.40/l petrol is €3972.5
30,000kms at 35mpg at €1.40/l petrol is €3405

If you reckon you'll be changing again once you swing 100% remote working the fuel savings might well not be enough to have made it worthwhile.

Depends on how easy it is to get what you reckon your ST is worth privately I suppose

UnknownSpecies

That's just my own valuation. They're rare enough over here in orange and in ST3 trim too with every extra offered apart from the style pack. I'd probably let it go for a bit less than 16 but I think if I held out long enough, I'd find someone who'd go close enough. I could be wrong

edit: I should be clear, I wouldn't expect 16 from a dealer, that's the very max I'd set my hopes on for a private sale. I understand a trader will offer less with having to make a profit.

UnknownSpecies

Augeo wrote: »

30,000kms at 50mpg at €1.30/l diesel is €2213.25
30,000kms at 30mpg at €1.40/l petrol is €3972.5
30,000kms at 35mpg at €1.40/l petrol is €3405

That's the dilemma alright. I've no idea when I'll manage that. I just don't want to end up wasting a couple grand on fuel needlessly over 2 years let's say. It's all money I'd prefer to put towards a GTI, R or an S3 even, when I'm doing less miles.

DaveyDave

What economy would you realistically see from a GTE? Hybrid and electric seem to lose their efficiency over 100kph, if you're doing 120kph all day it could be like a heavier 1.4 TSI Golf so you may not see much benefit there but every day driving and short trips would obviously benefit and you'll still have decent power.

The GTE apparently does 0-100 in around 6.5-6.8, not 7.6 as VW say so it does perform pretty well. It would also benefit from a remap, as would the GTD. Apparently a remap really livens up the GTD too so that's worth looking into.

I like the GTE, you get decent performance without high running costs.

User1998

The economy of plug in hybrids really varies from person to person. My long term average was something like 120mpg but I barely even used the engine. You might only get 30mpg if you drive it in GTE mode and never charge it. I mentioned earlier that on the motorway it’s essentially a heavy 1.4 tsi, 50mpg or so

orangeparrot

Looks like my Cupra may be up for sale in the coming months. Any thoughts on what it may be worth? Hard to find examples out there. 151 Cupra 280, 64,000kms.

UnknownSpecies

I've a couple more questions since ye were so helpful already What's the verdict on manual vs auto in the GTD? Can't test drive anything at the moment so wondering if it's a case of ruling out the DSG box immediately or not? I see a lot of them come with upgraded 19" alloys that I don't fancy at all myself purely due to ride comfort. Has anyone had experience driving on those wheels?

User1998

If you buy the manual you’d probably be happy with it but after driving DSG now for a while I’d never go back to manual. You wouldn’t really realise how good the DSG is on a test drive, it took me about a week before I realised what I was missing out on I suppose.

Regards to wheels I changed the 18’s for 19 inch Spielbergs and felt no difference in ride quality at all. There was more road noise but you wouldn’t notice that unless you had been driving the car on 18’s and then changed for 19’s like I did.

Muppet Man

If youre doing city driving - then DSG is the only option. No question. If its all motorway and backroads, manual might be acceptable, or more fun. But DSG is just miles more convenient, and quicker at shifting gears if performance is a thing thats important to you.

easyvision

I got a DSG GTD, i would never go back to manual. Driving is so much less hassle and the car feels faster as it changes gears so much faster. 19s are on the firm side, only time i really notice is on a really bumpy surface or I do have to slow down more for speed bumps than when I had 18s but its not dramatic in everyday normal driving

UnknownSpecies

Good stuff, thanks again. I'll absolutely test out a DSG in that case.

Comhrá

I've had three VAG cars with DSG and like others, I'd never go back to a manual car again, even a performance car. My MkV GTI from a few years ago was a joy to drive. The paddle gear change is grand if you get the occasional urge to drive in manual mode. I think I used mine in manual once or twice but never bothered after that.

drunkmonkey

Manual all the way....

CIP4

Yes to put balance to it this is my first DSG car. I have a GTI PP DSG and tbh if I was back again I would off bought a manual one. I think if you enjoy driving a manual car a DSG won't convert you. Its a great gearbox and definitely faster at changing gears but it just takes a little bit of the engagement out of driving a car. Fair enough in traffic and around town its better and makes things easier. But for everything else manual is better IMO.

Only thing you need to additionally factor in is down the road a manual GTD may be more difficult to sell as everyone seems to want DSG these days.

Casati

CIP4 wrote: »

Yes to put balance to it this is my first DSG car. I have a GTI PP DSG and tbh if I was back again I would off bought a manual one. I think if you enjoy driving a manual car a DSG won't convert you. Its a great gearbox and definitely faster at changing gears but it just takes a little bit of the engagement out of driving a car. Fair enough in traffic and around town its better and makes things easier. But for everything else manual is better IMO.

Only thing you need to additionally factor in is down the road a manual GTD may be more difficult to sell as everyone seems to want DSG these days.

How often does the DSG need a filter/ fluid change? Heard it’s an expensive job - Ie might be another factor to consider if your doing a lot of miles.

I’d be a fan of the 18’s v 19’s - even a side from the ride they seem to wear faster and 19’s are expensive for premium brands

CIP4

Casati wrote: »

How often does the DSG need a filter/ fluid change? Heard it’s an expensive job - Ie might be another factor to consider if your doing a lot of miles.

I’d be a fan of the 18’s v 19’s - even a side from the ride they seem to wear faster and 19’s are expensive for premium brands

DSG service is every 60k km not 100% on the cost but it’s around €300.

eljono

CIP4 wrote: »

I think if you enjoy driving a manual car a DSG won't convert you. Its a great gearbox and definitely faster at changing gears but it just takes a little bit of the engagement out of driving a car. Fair enough in traffic and around town its better and makes things easier. But for everything else manual is better IMO.

I'm in the same boat. I had been driving an auto (8 speed ZF) before buying a manual GTI but just didn't warm to it. Auto is nice if you're mostly doing start-stop traffic, but if you actually enjoy the act of driving and like to have that extra level of engagement and control, a nice manual box is hard to beat.

vintagevrs

If it's a diesel, buy an auto, doesnt matter how "sporty" it is, I wouldn't buy a manual diesel car when a good auto is an option.

On the GTI/R side though, the debate has pros/cons for both sides. If I had a to step into a fast Golf again it would be a manual PP having had a DSG before. No doubt after owning the manual for a week I'd miss the DSG though....

vintagevrs

vintagevrs wrote: »

Nice one. I think a manual PP is the pick of the range. I haven't driven one but would imagine it would be the most craic.

Over two years ago and I was saying the same thing:o

drunkmonkey

From a tuning point you need to replace the clutch in the manual if cranking it up, there not cheap for an original feeling one. Dogbone mount makes a big difference when trying to keep the power down.
No need to replace the clutch in the dsg but your paying a good bit more for the car in the first place.
Looking forward to getting on a rolling road when this pandemic lifts to see how close my GTI is to a stock R.

hooch-85

Did you remap it? I have driven a Revo mapped PP and it was very quick, probably on par with a standard R but getting traction on anything but bone dry roads is the issue. On the move i'd say it was every bit as quick as my stock manual R.

CIP4

hooch-85 wrote: »

Did you remap it? I have driven a Revo mapped PP and it was very quick, probably on par with a standard R but getting traction on anything but bone dry roads is the issue. On the move i'd say it was every bit as quick as my stock manual R.

I think I will eventually remap my PP with a revo stage one map that puts them at about 290bhp which would be perfect for the car IMO anymore is just wasted as you won't be able to get down the power. In stock form at 245bhp it just feels like it could do with a small bit more. I am not big into modifying cars but I think the likes of a stage 1 would make a big difference.

tossy

CIP4 wrote: »

I think I will eventually remap my PP with a revo stage one map that puts them at about 290bhp which would be perfect for the car IMO anymore is just wasted as you won't be able to get down the power. In stock form at 245bhp it just feels like it could do with a small bit more. I am not big into modifying cars but I think the likes of a stage 1 would make a big difference.

It's a slippery slope.... you and hooch can go the same day and get the stage 1 treatment

Apart from running costs and servicing - a good map is the best way to spend money on a car in terms of bang for buck.

Toyotafanboi

For a GTD I think DSG would be more than a nice to have.

As the cars get a bit older though, it's worth considering the reliability of the components too. If a DSG box needs a new mechatronics or clutch pack it can be eye wateringly expensive and if you dont catch a mechatronics failing in time you can end up needing an entire box. The worst a manual can need is a clutch kit really.

That said, I'd have a preference for DSG if it was money no object. There is no let up in power delivery with the speed of the changes.

drunkmonkey

CIP4 wrote: »

I think I will eventually remap my PP with a revo stage one map that puts them at about 290bhp which would be perfect for the car IMO anymore is just wasted as you won't be able to get down the power. In stock form at 245bhp it just feels like it could do with a small bit more. I am not big into modifying cars but I think the likes of a stage 1 would make a big difference.

I got one of these with the remap, thought it made a big difference, definitely not noticing wheel hop as much, good set of tyres helps as well https://www.onlyrevo.com/product-details/engine-hardware/mqb-chassis-lower-torque-mount-kit&engineid=181

hooch-85

Fitted this today - instant 10+ whp:D

drunkmonkey

Marry it up with one of these ; ) https://www.trackslag.com/index.php?id_category=20&controller=category

everlast75

I am going to pick up a 2009 mark 5 dsg gti next week.

Any recommendation in relation to small jobs that can improve the car internal/external would be appreciated.

Interior and exterior are in mint condition so nothing needed in that regard.

Thanks.

I'd not be a great pilot..... When I'd a manual GTi for a weekend jaunt I found changing from 6th to 4th at 160kph was a task Id happily have done without.

Fair play to anyone who reckons they can get the best out of manual one but I'd not be up to it on back roads either even driving sensibly.

drunkmonkey

I'd put an Android head unit in, get yourself Spotify, YouTube, Google maps etc, pioneer make good kit you'll probably find a lot cheaper though https://www.pioneer-car.eu/eur/cip/Volkswagen/Golf%2520Mk5/2008/Navigation%2520Multimedia%2520Receivers

deceit

Augeo wrote: »

I'd not be a great pilot..... When I'd a manual GTi for a weekend jaunt I found changing from 6th to 4th at 160kph was a task Id happily have done without.

Fair play to anyone who reckons they can get the best out of manual one but I'd not be up to it on back roads either even driving sensibly.

If you pick up a manual you really need to pick up all of these, it fixes the gearing and makes it 100 times better to drive:
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-apr-parts/adjustable-short-shift-kit-for-6-speed-manual-transmissions/ms100103~apr/
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-ecs-parts/solid-shifter-cable-bushing-upgrade-kit-rectangle-85mm-round-10mm/003929ecs0102akt/
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-integrated-engineering-parts/solid-cable-shifter-bracket/iedtca1~int/
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-ecs-parts/adjustable-clutch-pedal-stop/018733ecs01~a/
Its about 500-600 including delivery but I found it changed the feel of the car completely and it was worth every penny.

eljono

I ordered an adjustable clutch pedal stop earlier today, interested also in a short shift kit. Did you fit the kit yourself?

deceit

eljono wrote: »

I ordered an adjustable clutch pedal stop earlier today, interested also in a short shift kit. Did you fit the kit yourself?

Yea I fitted it myself, its very easy to do.
The part that made the biggest difference to my car is this though:
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-ecs-parts/solid-shifter-cable-bushing-upgrade-kit-rectangle-85mm-round-10mm/003929ecs0102akt/

Hebegeebee

VW do a short shift kit too for the Mk7/7.5, part # 5Q0711046K

CIP4

Not sure what its like price wise as I am not up on what Mk6 GTIs make. But this is a nice example unusual colour and I doubt there are many mk6 going around with Dynaudio.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2010-volkswagen-golf-gti/24693058

everlast75

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/vw-golf-gti-edition-30-dsg/24735166

Special edition 30 golf here...

bazz26

After reading that description in the advert I'd say dealing with that seller would be a head melter. The line about having to prove you have 8,500 in your pocket to meet a complete stranger for the first time before you can get behind the wheel would just do my head in while in the same breath mentioning the phrase "testing the water" stinks of hypocrisy in that he is as bad as the tyre kickers he is trying to avoid.. I know there are test pilots out there but unfortunately that's part of the territory of selling these type cars to joe public, as a buyer I just won't go through the hassle of dealing with that ****.

CIP4

Yes I thought the same fair enough it’s an edition 30. But still ultimately a 13 year old 8k Golf. I doubt the whole country is going to be rushing to his house for the chance to see it.

JoeA3

I've seen that ad posted on the Autostadt FB classifieds. The seller looks like a kid not long out of short pants so I think the passive-aggressive wording in the ad doesn't quite fit the face...

The Ed 30 are a lovely car and it does look like a nice one to be fair. But yeah it is a 13 year old Golf, the market for it at 8.5k will be small.

I very much doubt any insurance company is going to transfer your insurance for 30 mins either. I’ve never been asked for anything like that in a private viewing/test drive and most would have cost more and some more powerful.

L-M

everlast75 wrote: »

I am going to pick up a 2009 mark 5 dsg gti next week.

Any recommendation in relation to small jobs that can improve the car internal/external would be appreciated.

Interior and exterior are in mint condition so nothing needed in that regard.

Thanks.

Might be a bit late but make sure you check the tax bracket on that before you buy!

Edit Belated on the Manual vs DSG thing I would probably buy either in the GTI but the R really has to be DSG.

bazz26

Nice GTi Clubsport, strong money though:



https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2539220&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D93%26o%5B%5D%3D812%26f%3D1%26nn%3D12%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

DaveyDave

I think the previous two Golfs I saw there were strong money also. Not far off VW money from what I remember.

L-M

Is that not an old Gerry Cummesky site?

Looks very familiar from old pictures they used to put up. I just presumed they used it as a trade site from the Vw garages

JoeA3

L-M wrote: »

Is that not an old Gerry Cummesky site?

Looks very familiar from old pictures they used to put up. I just presumed they used it as a trade site from the Vw garages

It is indeed. It’s an independent dealers now, the Barnes chap used to work there when it was Cumiskeys. He does seem to get nice clean stock.

opinionated3

Anybody know what they are like to deal with? Trustworthy? They always seem to get nice GTIs and Rs.