The Mega Mk7 Golf GTI/GTD/R thread

ofcork

Apparently vw are bringing out a 400bhp version of the golf r if there is not enough power in the current one for ye!

damo86

Mines just arrived at the dealers! Collecting it this Friday (would do it tomorrow, but I'm in feckin Germany!)

Heard about the boot issues..but I'm still a young man! :P

I didn't get a discount as much but got a more then a good price for my trade in (more then carzone prices),

I'm pretty brutal at haggling so happy enough with that.

TheBazman

damo86 wrote: »

Mines just arrived at the dealers! Collecting it this Friday (would do it tomorrow, but I'm in feckin Germany!)

Heard about the boot issues..but I'm still a young man! :P

I didn't get a discount as much but got a more then a good price for my trade in (more then carzone prices),

I'm pretty brutal at haggling so happy enough with that.

Hmmm I ordered in November aswell but havent heard anything from the dealer - must put a call through

carsfan

I was offered 2.5k more for my trade in too compared to what BMW were offering.
In my experience BMW have less room to haggle or just don't want to.
Sk8board, how did you get on with them re 420?

sk8board

carsfan wrote: »

Sk8board, how did you get on with them re 420?

I called and he was 'away from his desk'. I Didn't hear back before closing time.

JoeA3

When you are trading your current car in, it's difficult to know what "discount" if any, you are getting. The important figure to focus on is the cost to change!

One dealer may tell you he's giving you a great price for your old car while another dealer may be offering much less for your car - but the overall cost to change could be very similar with the 2 dealers. Dealers will bamboozle you with numbers but the important one to focus on is how much cash you have to part with in addition to your own part exchange.

Obviously if buying straight with no trade in, it's a lot clearer...

carsfan

Yes agree with you re. cost to change all important.
Have to compare the exact same spec. you're getting at various dealers.

I've ended up selling my car seperately so know exactly level of discount but the dealer I am going with was very transparent(surprisingly so) and told me I am giving you "x" for your car and "y" discount off the new one leaving a cost to change. he told me he was likely to sell my car in to the trade anyway.
In the end I've sold it for a little more so no trade in.

Foreign Sports

JoeA3 wrote: »

When you are trading your current car in, it's difficult to know what "discount" if any, you are getting. The important figure to focus on is the cost to change!

One dealer may tell you he's giving you a great price for your old car while another dealer may be offering much less for your car - but the overall cost to change could be very similar with the 2 dealers. Dealers will bamboozle you with numbers but the important one to focus on is how much cash you have to part with in addition to your own part exchange.

Obviously if buying straight with no trade in, it's a lot clearer...

100% agree, cost to change is the only way to think about it, for the above reasons.

My cost to change varied by as much as 3000 euro :rolleyes:

MisterDrak

JoeA3 wrote: »

Obviously if buying straight with no trade in, it's a lot clearer...

I did that for my Mk6 in 2011, when nobody was buying cars. I got a 1 month old GTi with 1K on the clock for €29k.. Different times...

ondafly

I hope some of you buying new GTIs are trading in Mk6 GTIs with DSG and 5-doors ? I'm on the lookout for one !

sk8board

so JoeD Bmw called me back today.

The base 430d m sport works out about 63k, and you get the sports Auto and the Pro satnav/widescreen as standard. in other words, its a 4-5k premium and slightly less spec over the 420d m sport Plus I had spec'ed.
for the 59k spec on the 420d, you also get the excellent m performance plus pack and some other minor options I use daily, like the sliding armrest and folding mirrors or whatever.

Have a test drive booked for Saturday on a 420d with m sport suspension but specifically no variable dampers, as I haven't spec'ed them.

will report back on the price discounting and options afterwards (PCP, HP, straight deal, trade-in)

carsfan

Have you totally decided against the R sk8board?
If you are spending north of 60k, would you consider audi A7? Looks lovely and would be a step up from 4 series too in my opinion.

bazz26

A7 is being replaced with a new model in the next 12 months afaik. Merc CLS?

carsfan

They have just started selling a revamped A7 so I would say there's a couple more years at least in it. Much bigger car than a golf or 4 series.

sk8board

carsfan wrote: »

Have you totally decided against the R sk8board?
If you are spending north of 60k, would you consider audi A7? Looks lovely and would be a step up from 4 series too in my opinion.

Yeh, decided against the R, purely for family car reasons.

As for the a7, I had no other car in mind up to about a month ago.
- The '11 & '12 models are all 4 seaters, so you're limited to '13+ reg when they released the 5 seater
- an sline Quattro (the only one you'd want), in the base 204bhp engine, is still €55k+ and they're v v rare.
- You'd be importing for sure.
- Then the new model came out, I even went to the launch, and there are €85k tags on the entry 218hp sline Quattro.
- And finally, the 204hp a7 is actually slower to 60 than the 420d. (7.7s v 7.4s).
- And finally finally, I love the look of the A7, but as a 36yo, it made be feel a bit older - not want I want from spending 60k!
- Oh and the a7 is a physically MASSIVE car. The dimensions are huge even in comparison to my 5 Touring.

As for the clk, it's only a 4 seater and ruled out straight away.


Ideally I want to be beating the 420d price down 1-2k and pay 57k. Suddenly it's only €7k more than the decent spec R.

carsfan

Wow! I thought A7 started mid 60's but I see on car zone that's not what they are selling for alright.
The 420 would have much lower day to day costs than the R and some one will probably contradict me but I think will hold its value a lot better than the R.
If you're buying straight you should get 2k or more off I would think.

sk8board

Audi ballina have a new facelift a7 Daytona grey sline Quattro for 77€k on car zone. Pre-reg 151 for immediate delivery, so it's pretty much a €20k premium over the 420d and €20k less than a 640d

carsfan

Let us know how you get on with the 4 series negotiation or even if you are tempted
Would be surprised if bmw sales guys kill themselves with discount.
I got 2.5 k off for cash on 330d but that was 2013 when cars were not selling as well.

sk8board

Will do. He called yesterday to say they pre-reg'ed a 430d yesterday as it was the last day of the month, so 'I can test that too'. I think he's looking to pitch that with higher % discount as it's now sitting on the lot. He said it needs to be 3 months old or have 3000 km for them to get demo wholesaler discount.

carsfan

After having a car with the 3.0 engine I would say go for it if you can get it for around same as 2.0 but bear in mind it won't be worth much more than 2.0 litre when you trade back in.
The engine is terrific and economy not much different than 2.0
Handling is not quite as sharp on the bigger engine as it feels a bit heavier at the front end.

sk8board

Hey, was with joe Duffy today.

Test drives:
had the 420d and 430d for a decent test drive, back-to-back. Motorway and some street, just like my own commute (30,000km pa on 90% motorway).

Both had 19", with m suspension and NO adaptive dampers.

The 30d was immense, as you'd expect, but I doubt I used 60% of the power.

The stand out for me was the 8speed ZF box with the 20d. It's perfectly matched and has the right gear all the time. It's way faster and more nimble than my 520d for sure and the ZF closes the performance gap for me between 20d and 30d - for daily motorway driving. I reckon you could put 3 gears on the 30d and it'd be just as good. Cabin noise is great and you'd barely notice the 20d (I started it cold too).

So the 30d itch was scratched (again), and ruled out.

Pricing:
The trade price on my 520d m sport touring step was poor, when I can shift it myself for €3.5-4k more easily, so that was off the table and we talked straight cash deal.

Final Discount I work out as 3.65%. or €2150 on a 59.2k price.

420d m sport, Estoril blue, 8speed ZF, 3D pro nav, upgraded M brakes & calipers, harman kardon surround sound, exterior dechromed and privacy glass, 19" bicolour alloys, 5yr service pack, supagard paint wrap with 3yr guarantee (handy for all the crap your car picks up on the motorway) and a few other useful options arrives in week 12 (mid/end march)

Tick tock.

carsfan

Congratulations!
Will be a lovely car. The gran coupe is better looking than the 2 door in my opinion. That m sport plus pack is a great addition too.
As a matter of interest did they push the demo 430 or have a couldn't care either way approach?

sk8board

it would be list price until it's 3 months old, and even with a half decent spec I couldn't justify the 5-6k premium today, not wanted to spend 3 months wondering it'll be bought by someone else in the meanwhile.
If I spent my time on back roads, yep definitely, but not for motorway driving. The bigger brakes will be more useful on the m50 than the bigger engine

The 20d and the ZF is just brilliant - and I tested the 30d first so I was expecting far more of a gap!

The standard spec on the GC is decent too, Dakota leather, xenons, electric boot, itouch and so on.

Casati

420d is a lovely car and it seems like a good deal. Did you say your 520d is 131? Im surprised that they didn't give you top money for that, as unless its mad miles I would have thought they would get much more money for it that you could selling private - i.e. the typical buyer for one of them would go straight to the main dealers. Is it just greed that stops dealers bidding reasonable money on desirable trade-in's?

sk8board

Casati wrote: »

420d is a lovely car and it seems like a good deal. Did you say your 520d is 131? Im surprised that they didn't give you top money for that, as unless its mad miles I would have thought they would get much more money for it that you could selling private - i.e. the typical buyer for one of them would go straight to the main dealers. Is it just greed that stops dealers bidding reasonable money on desirable trade-in's?

It's a '08. They send everything older than '11 or '12 to a weekly auction. They're nothing if not straight up about it, so you can't argue. They even went through car zone to see what other ones are selling for, to encourage me to sell it myself.

Casati

sk8board wrote: »

It's a '08. They send everything older than '11 or '12 to a weekly auction. They're nothing if not straight up about it, so you can't argue. They even went through car zone to see what other ones are selling for, to encourage me to sell it myself.

Fair enough so, I wouldn't blame them for no retailing a 7 year old car- though some of the cousins would. I'd say those particular auctions are not a bad way to pick up a 5 year clean trade-in but yes you should do much better selling private

blingrhino

It sounds a lovely car ,colour ,spec etc
Just wondering why you would not have considered a new f10 520d m- sport
For the same money . ?

sk8board

blingrhino wrote: »

It sounds a lovely car ,colour ,spec etc
Just wondering why you would not have considered a new f10 520d m- sport
For the same money . ?

Just two reasons really - no three (no, four!):
1. I currently have one and fancied a change
2. There are so many around
3. The list price is identical, but the 5 is a few grand more when you add the same equipment. No reason why.
4. I wouldn't get the saloon only the touring, so now the price diff is more again, and I'm not all that gone on the looks of the F10 touring

As an anorak, I like to think I can get a car each time with the right balance of performance, practicality, rarity and value. All cars tick one box, few tick all four.
And the 420d falls down on the value front IMHO. No way I was paying over €60k for one.

carsfan

A query for all you existing gti owners?
I'm picking up gti performance this afternoon and changed my insurance today. I have 2 and a half months left on my policy and had to pay an extra 100 euro to the end of policy. I'm coming from a BMW 520d m sport and previously a 330d m sport which is more powerful and both are more expensive cars.
When I called previously I was told there would be no change in premium for the gti but today I'm told its a high performance sports car!
I'm annoyed as the 330 in particular was a quicker bigger horsepower car.
Also I had read that the gti was much cheaper to insure because it had loads of safety aids. I'm 44 with full no claims too . I looked up the uk insurance groups and the gti is group 29, the 520 group 34, the 330 group 38. So why the loading
Have you guys found insurance expensive on the car?

MisterDrak

Carsfan,

Cant comment on the GTi performance model, but my insurance on my 132D Gti is €466 with 123.ie. Im 48, with full no claims also.

All I can say is shop around, if its not to late already...

Foreign Sports

I don't have my Mk 7 gti yet but when I had the Mark 5, it was around €500 fully comp with 123.ie (9+years NCB, 32 at the time).


Insurance prices are apparently going up at the moment. The best thing to do will be to ring around when your existing policy is up in the next couple of months.

There was a recent thread on it here;

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=93980005


Best of luck picking up your car today. Hopefully the handover will be a good experience. Maybe you can post up a quick review and few pics of it when you get a chance.

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly

Just noticed they're offering GTI's / R's on PCP with a 1.9% finance rate.

AIB car loan attracts a 10% interest rate.

Which would you choose?

MisterDrak

carsfan wrote: »

I'm picking up gti performance this afternoon

Can I ask why you went for the performance model, was it the extra 10 Bhp, and the diff that made the difference ?

Debating the performance or the ordinary with the DSG for my next Gti...

blingrhino

carsfan wrote: »

A query for all you existing gti owners?
I'm picking up gti performance this afternoon and changed my insurance today. I have 2 and a half months left on my policy and had to pay an extra 100 euro to the end of policy. I'm coming from a BMW 520d m sport and previously a 330d m sport which is more powerful and both are more expensive cars.
When I called previously I was told there would be no change in premium for the gti but today I'm told its a high performance sports car!
I'm annoyed as the 330 in particular was a quicker bigger horsepower car.
Also I had read that the gti was much cheaper to insure because it had loads of safety aids. I'm 44 with full no claims too . I looked up the uk insurance groups and the gti is group 29, the 520 group 34, the 330 group 38. So why the loading
Have you guys found insurance expensive on the car?

I also Was getting a quote last week for the R from axa.
They tell me that my 520d is group 32 and the group for the R is 34 so a slight difference in premium.
im also 44 ! and got a quote of €753.
oh the mid life crisis`s

ofcork

Anybody waiting on a golf there is a car transporter on fire near Fermoy!

MuppetCheck

Any other link to the pic?

EDIT - Links gone.

ofcork

Saw it on red fm facebook road closed at the moment,the link wouldn't work for me.

MuppetCheck

Ouch!

carsfan

Can I ask why you went for the performance model, was it the extra 10 Bhp, and the diff that made the difference ?

Debating the performance or the ordinary with the DSG for my next Gti...

Mister Drak,
I probably read too many car reviews and looked at videos online before ordering! They almost all recommended the performance pack model over the regular.
Complete car.ie in particular being an irish review said the diff transformed the car. The 10 bhp increase is not going to be too noticeable but I have noticed the brakes are really good since I got it yesterday. The demo I drove was the regular model and they do feel sharper.
I felt if I was spending this much may as well get the performance pack but wasn't really going to go up to an R.
The GTI logos are now red on the performance model to differentiate from the regular GTI which I think is a new thing.

MisterDrak

Carsfan...

Thanks for that, Post up a few pics when you get a chance. Iv pretty much ruled out the R at this stage, the debate is down to Performance V DSG...

Anyway safe driving, and stay out of Sport Mode until you have empty roads on an early Sunday morning :D:D

carsfan

I'll put up a few pics at the weekend when I can have time.
I'm impressed so far. The quality of the car seems superior to that of the 3 series I had too.
I haven't owned a manual in over ten years but not missing it. There is so much power and torque for a smaller car that you don't need to change unless you want to. It sounds good too. I didn't spec the adaptive dampers so don't know if I have a sport mode?
Haven't really played much with it you see due to work/ family etc.
Carbon grey looks excellent though. Dealer had just delivered a black one and he said everyone preferred the carbon grey when they were side by side. The leather and keyless helps add to the premium feel too in my opinion.

Foreign Sports

Good to hear that you're happy so far.

Hopefully carbon grey won't show up the dirt as easily as pearl black.

Sport mode is only available as part of DCC as far as I know.

MisterDrak

Foreign Sports wrote: »

Good to hear that you're happy so far.

Hopefully carbon grey won't show up the dirt as easily as pearl black.

Sport mode is only available as part of DCC as far as I know.

I should know this (as I have DCC ), but I assumed without you still get the driving modes (Normal, Sport, Eco, Individual) but just don't get the ability to change the suspension setting as part of each mode ???

See image for ref.

http://image.automobilemag.com/f/43431382+q100+re0/2015-volkswagen-gti-driving-mode-selection.jpg

carsfan

Haven't seen a screen like that and don't you have a button around the gear lever to call it up?
That said I haven't read the manual but when the car was handed over he went through everything with me and no mention of driving mode selection

Paddy@CIRL

MisterDrak wrote: »

I should know this (as I have DCC ), but I assumed without you still get the driving modes (Normal, Sport, Eco, Individual) but just don't get the ability to change the suspension setting as part of each mode ???

See image for ref.

http://image.automobilemag.com/f/43431382+q100+re0/2015-volkswagen-gti-driving-mode-selection.jpg

I can't remember the driving modes you're talking about in the non-DCC MKVII GTI PP I drove. God, I miss that car.

Max Q

carsfan wrote: »

The leather and keyless helps add to the premium feel too in my opinion.

How much did the keyless cost? Just messing around on the vw configurator and it looks like it's almost €800 as you have to add the anti-theft alarm plus with it. Is there no basic alarm as standard?

carsfan

I think keyless was 725 as includes alarm .
As far as I know there is only immobiliser as standard.
The R comes with alarm so keyless is a bit less.

bazz26

Usually is part of a menu on the stereo touchscreen on VAG stuff these days afaik. On my old CC it was one of the buttons surrounding the gear leaver.

MuppetCheck

On cars without DCC isn't it part of the sound pack? Into sport mode and the actuator comes on with it? On the Leon/Octavia there's a button for switching modes on versions without DCC.

Saw that pack on the UK configurator btw.

noelf

Am I right in thinking keyless is a security weakness and that is why a alarm is part of the vw package ?