IW/Anything Water Related-Warning in OP

Pocoyo

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Just reported today..

Another 100m of our tax for Denis O'Brien....we are being FLEECED!!!

VinLieger

Pocoyo wrote: »

Nonsense anythings better than FG throwing away huge amounts of state funds ffs!! are you not seeing the amount of money being spent?

Yes I am and considering the amount of tax cuts and social welfare increases the left and SF have planned how much money do you think they will be similarly using? because the magic money tree is still yet to appear that will pay for it all.

Voting in a new government whatever party or group it is made up of is not the magic fix all some people seem to think it will be.

Also saying anything would be better is a ignorant statement to make, there are things that would be A LOT worse

Pocoyo

VinLieger wrote: »

Yes I am and considering the amount of tax cuts and social welfare increases the left and SF have planned how much money do you think they will be similarly using? because the magic money tree is still yet to appear that will pay for it all.

Voting in a new government whatever party or group it is made up of is not the magic fix all some people seem to think it will be.

I Think it will,I think the EU is barely above water as it is and cant afford Ireland to **** up the pot i believe they will have no choice but to share the debt if we had a government with balls.

VinLieger

Pocoyo wrote: »

I Think it will,I think the EU is barely above water as it is and cant afford Ireland to **** up the pot i believe they will have no choice but to share the debt if we had a government with balls.

I agree we should be getting better terms with the EU and that they are in a bad place right now but a group of independents and SF wouldn't have the political clout to do anything that dastic imo, its not just about balls

Satriale

Pocoyo wrote: »

Just reported today..

Another 100m of our tax for Denis O'Brien....we are being FLEECED!!!

I wonder would the consultants be happy if their fees were out by 100million

Pocoyo

VinLieger wrote: »

I agree we should be getting better terms with the EU and that they are in a bad place right now but a group of independents and SF wouldn't have the political clout to do anything that dastic imo, its not just about balls

And who would...? FF...FG...Oh wait they completely caved in.

So if FG FF SF and a new independent party cant who can,who will you vote for???

twinytwo

VinLieger wrote: »

I agree we should be getting better terms with the EU and that they are in a bad place right now but a group of independents and SF wouldn't have the political clout to do anything that dastic imo, its not just about balls

Its too late now, any deal should have been struck at the beginning before we assumed any debt at all.

Pocoyo

twinytwo wrote: »

Its too late now, any deal should have been struck at the beginning before we assumed any debt at all.

Rubbish!

VinLieger

Pocoyo wrote: »

And who would...? FF...FG...Oh wait they completely caved in.

So if FG FF SF and a new independent party cant who can,who will you vote for???

No I didn't say that, FF screwed us and FG had a chance to get a better deal but wimped out, I think we are stuck for the time being at least.

I honestly don't know who I'm going to vote for IF there was a competent middle left party that didn't include coppinger and her socialist nut jobs id go that way, but right now voting for an independent is a waste as they can't form a government themselves without a party and anyone they do form will include SF which I refuse to support, also if FG and Lab last till the next budget and depending on how that went id be open to voting FG

Chucken

Pocoyo wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/early-general-election-2016-1794824-Nov2014/

Journal poll on FG calling an early general election.


So far 81% of people believe Fine Gail should call a general election.

They're fighting amongst themselves now
Good times!

http://www.todayfm.com/Early-General-Election-On-The-Cards

gladrags

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Enlighten us, please.

The most serious threat to the collapse of this government is FG itself,and the arrogance displayed by Kenny and co on a regular basis.

Out of touch,beyond recovery,it is part of what they are.

The anger at the banks not being held accountable,is another flash point.

The rise in poverty and homelessness,the lack of housing,and rental accomodation and cost...

Have been,in the main,ignored and dismissed. There appears to be some walter mitty "long term" plan,and little urgency to resolve the present crisis.

The Health system is falling apart,the cuts this government made,and closures of essential services,are draconian.

The water charge anger and resulting protests,have set a precedent.The USC charge,for example,could be next.

ThinkAboutIt

FG would be very shrewd to call an early general election and get out of Government asap. No other party can do better, there is no way the country can afford what people are wanting/protesting for, so they may as well hand it to someone else and let them get the blame. SF in government would be hilarious, although costly to everyone.

Pocoyo

gladrags wrote: »

The most serious threat to the collapse of this government is FG itself,and the arrogance displayed by Kenny and co on a regular basis.

Out of touch,beyond recovery,it is part of what they are.

The anger at the banks not being held accountable,is another flash point.

The rise in poverty and homelessness,the lack of housing,and rental accomodation and cost...

Have been,in the main,ignored and dismissed.There appears to be some walter mitty "long term" plan.
The Health system is falling apart,the cuts this government made,and closures of essential services,are draconian.

The water charge anger and resulting protests,have set a precedent.The USC charge,for example,could be next.

Attempting to rule with an iron fist.

Medical card scandal.

Rise in gap of equality.

Jobs for the boys.

Rigging senate elections.

Demonizing the public.

At every step they tried to stamp on joe soap to us its not a class war but to FG i think it may well be..

The list goes on........

Highflyer13

gladrags wrote: »

The most serious threat to the collapse of this government is FG itself,and the arrogance displayed by Kenny and co on a regular basis.

Out of touch,beyond recovery,it is part of what they are.

The anger at the banks not being held accountable,is another flash point.

The rise in poverty and homelessness,the lack of housing,and rental accomodation and cost...

Have been,in the main,ignored and dismissed.There appears to be some walter mitty "long term" plan.
The Health system is falling apart,the cuts this government made,and closures of essential services,are draconian.

The water charge anger and resulting protests,have set a precedent.The USC charge,for example,could be next.

Couldn't agree more. Parts of society have broke down. IW was the catalyst to get people out.

A few weeks ago Enda Kenny stood in full view of the media and hugged Mairia Cahill on the steps of Dail Eireann while in the same year his government has made huge cuts to funding for the rape crisis centre forcing centres to close permanently. A cynically planned PR exercise by the weasel.

gladrags

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. Parts of society have broke down. IW was the catalyst to get people out.

A few weeks ago Enda Kenny stood in full view of the media and hugged Mairia Cahill on the steps of Dail Eireann while in the same year his government has made huge cuts to funding for the rape crisis centre forcing centres to close permanently. A cynically planned PR exercise by the weasel.

Kenny actions were possibly unconstitutional,the Dail is not a court room.

Any further legal action taken by MC is prejudiced.

Montroseee

This Government was doing very well until this whole IW mess FACT. It's a real shame because I'm a business owner and the recovery was undoubtedly starting to filter down to people like me. It's a serious doubt whether Kenny and Co. can survive this.

SEPT 23 1989

100 million underestimated for the water meters what a total shambles

Pocoyo

gladrags wrote: »

Kenny actions were possibly unconstitutional,the Dail is not a court room.

Any further legal action taken by MC is prejudiced.

WOW!!!

That's clearly obvious, it just never occurred to me. Surely the media should of lambasted him for that!! :mad:

twinytwo

Pocoyo wrote: »

Rubbish!

Really? and what leverage do we have? We had some then we have none now.

Enda going to the EU with hat in hand, looking for a new deal will be told to take a running leap.

Pocoyo

twinytwo wrote: »

Really? and what leverage do we have? We had some then we have none now.

Enda going to the EU with hat in hand, looking for a new deal will be told to take a running leap.

Then we leap right out of the EU they have nothing to offer this country but austerity.

twinytwo

Red Pepper wrote: »

They wont call an election on such a low. They will have to wait for some kind of upturn even if that means waiting simply for better weather i.e. May/June.

They will try and ride out the IW crisis into 2015 and continue the climbdown.

The 2 big questions are;
1) Will they call an election with Enda in charge (unlikely)
2) Will Labour and Burton hold the line for much longer (probably have no choice given their popularity)

Is either relevant?

FG will get it in the neck the next election.

As for labour? well they will be anhilated.... they sold out their segment of the voting population. I suspect they will cease to exist as a party..... and even if they dont anyone..... and i mean anyone that would vote for Burton should be put against a wall and shot for treason.

Tinkersbell

gladrags wrote: »

Kenny actions were possibly unconstitutional,the Dail is not a court room.

Any further legal action taken by MC is prejudiced.

Enda hugging the ex secretary of the RNU on the steps of Dail Eireann is one of the strangest things I've seen him do.
The RNU have links to dissident terrorists and indeed, do not support the GFA, do not recognise AGS or the PSNI or the courts of this land.
A person with dissident links was given the freedom to walk in and out of Leinster house at will to facilitate the smearing of a political rival.

_Kaiser_

It's certainly been an interesting week..

From their failed efforts to buy people off while doing nothing to address the main problem that most "reasonable" people have with IW, to the cost of the metering being out by 100 mil, to talk now of a split in the party over when to call an election. FG have again shown us all why they never last more than one term at a time in government.

People power apparently works after all! But I still worry about the real issue - where do we go next as an electorate that's sick of the "same old" in FF/FG?

gladrags

Pocoyo wrote: »

WOW!!!

That's clearly obvious, it just never occurred to me. Surely the media should of lambasted him for that!! :mad:

There was too much of a mad dog frenzy going on.

Pumped up by the Sindo in particular,and FF,FG and Labour,who obviously had a lot to gain politically,by the demise of SF.

After a while the penny dropped,and a few commentators made reference to the fact that politicians were not "judge and jury".

It reminded me of the dark ages,rush to judgement,by the mob.

Red Pepper

twinytwo wrote: »

Its too late now, any deal should have been struck at the beginning before we assumed any debt at all.

These kind of posts sicken me. Frankly that is LOSER talk. Where there is a will, there is a way. Making private company (banking) debt into soverign debt is borderline criminal and unprecedented. We took one for the EU team but now they need to relieve us of this bank debt which costs us 2 billion per year in interest payments alone!!

Red Pepper

Montroseee wrote: »

This Government was doing very well until this whole IW mess FACT. It's a real shame because I'm a business owner and the recovery was undoubtedly starting to filter down to people like me. It's a serious doubt whether Kenny and Co. can survive this.

FACT me arse. What exactly has the government done right? I know what the TROIKA made them do but the government did SFA themselves except protect their own.

SaveOurLyric

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

But I still worry about the real issue - where do we go next as an electorate that's sick of the "same old" in FF/FG?

The answer is in the question folks......
.....its an FG/FF coalition government !

I would include Labour in it as well though.

Roll on 2016.

Pocoyo

That thing we were protesting about...em what was it Fine gail,Irish water.....no thats right we were all pissed off at bord gais...

Terrible attempt at deflecting by the media today. :rolleyes:

Pocoyo

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

The answer is in the question folks......
.....its an FG/FF coalition government !

I would include Labour in it as well though.

Roll on 2016.

Those parties combined wont have enough of the electorate by the time the election is called. :pac:

VinLieger

Pocoyo wrote: »

Those parties combined wont have enough of the electorate by the time the election is called. :pac:

You would be surprised what happens at election time, I'm not saying id be for a FF/FG violation but unless the left fix their fragmentation issues they could easily snap up a surprise majority through preference votes