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Streetwalker

Sobko wrote: »

Shocking stuff really and that some people are happy for this to continue is depressing.

People are willing to look the other way when it looks like the economy is picking up, the exact cycle that got us into this mess under the FF organisation. Sometimes I think Irish people have the brain power of a goldfish and we deserve all that's coming to us.

SaveOurLyric

Sobko wrote: »

Just to be clear you are happy to revote either FF, FG or Labour back in? And are not at least interested in seeing a change? What is the point then? Let's continue with this corrupt and incompetent system. Sounds like defeatism to me.

Yes, I am happy to vote them back in. I would like to see change. But the flaw in that question is the assumption that someone else will achieve change. Some element of corruption and incompetence (though where does just as-good-as-we-can-do end and incompetence begin ?) is human and will be their. Changing the party colours, logo, and election slogan does not make them immune to this failing. And not defeatist. Try to improve these faults in themselves. Chaging the parties is just like soccer teams changing the manager every few months hoping the next guy will bring a magic wand. He never does.

SaveOurLyric

Sobko wrote: »

You underestimate people's ability to grasp how companies are set up. €100 million underestimates, company putting meters owned by billionaire tax exile.... But this is sidetracking. People are finally understanding just how corrupt politics can be, cronyism and back handlers, how contracts are rewarded. I'm hoping that this is the start of something better. I really cannot see how anyone could be happy to see it continue.

If people, whatever their shortcomings, working on it full time, with assorted specialist added to the mix, can get it that wrong, how does the amateur Joe Public think he could do any better. An overblown view of his own special brilliance if he thinks he can.

Tinkersbell

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Yes, I am happy to vote them back in. I would like to see change. But the flaw in that question is that someone else will achieve change. Some element of corruption and incompetence (though where does just as-good-as-we-can-do end and incompetence begin ?) is human and will be their. Changing the party colours, logo, and election slogan does not make them immune to this failing. And not defeatist. Try to improve these faults in themselves. Chaging the parties is just like soccer teams changing the manager every few months hoping the next guy will bring a magic wand. He never does.

That folks, really explains why we are where we are.
Corruption and incompetence is acceptable.

Another interesting piece http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/murphys-disgraceful-belated-uturn-on-tallaght-thuggery-30766259.html

SaveOurLyric

Tinkersbell wrote: »

That folks, really explains why we are where we are.
Corruption and incompetence is acceptable.

Read it again. It doesnt say that.

gandalf

Jaysus Maryanne are you on commission from IN&M to quote as many Indo articles as possible

Tinkersbell

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Read it again. It doesnt say that.

Well, it does.

Tinkersbell

gandalf wrote: »

Jaysus Maryanne are you on commission from IN&M to quote as many Indo articles as possible

I don't know why she bothers tbh because she doesn't believe whats in print on front of her face.
On the other thread I posted the EU water directive, including article 9.4 which clearly shows that Ireland wasn't legally obliged to bring in a water tax.
Right there in black and white on the screen and still she claims that it's not there.
Crazy stuff altogether.

In Lonesome Dove

Deleted User wrote: »

Another interesting piece http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/murphys-disgraceful-belated-uturn-on-tallaght-thuggery-30766259.html

I have to say, Paul Murphy is hot. WOW. :-)

Highflyer13

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Yes, I am happy to vote them back in. I would like to see change. But the flaw in that question is the assumption that someone else will achieve change. Some element of corruption and incompetence (though where does just as-good-as-we-can-do end and incompetence begin ?) is human and will be their. Changing the party colours, logo, and election slogan does not make them immune to this failing. And not defeatist. Try to improve these faults in themselves. Chaging the parties is just like soccer teams changing the manager every few months hoping the next guy will bring a magic wand. He never does.

That is defeatist. Things can change for the better and will change so brace yourself for the shock. You have stood by John Tierney as the right man for the job despite his chequered past and history of wasting public money. Clearly you suffer from some form of delusion.

'Ah sure, bit of corruption and incompetence. No harm in it. Isnt that the way it is, you always take a little for yourself. Cute hoor that lad. He fixed the road once.Be grand. We always voted them lads. Sure they're all the same anyway':rolleyes:

We always need to aspire and demand better from our elected representatives. They have run amok for far too long.

gandalf

In Lonesome Dove wrote: »

I have to say, Paul Murphy is hot. WOW. :-)

You really need to get out more !!!

Banjo String

Tinkersbell wrote: »

I don't know why she bothers tbh because she doesn't believe whats in print on front of her face.
On the other thread I posted the EU water directive, including article 9.4 which clearly shows that Ireland wasn't legally obliged to bring in a water tax.
Right there in black and white on the screen and still she claims that it's not there.
Crazy stuff altogether.

After her numerous claims that the Indo was a Fianna Fáil rag, I'm expecting another u-turn in the shape of her using An Phoblacht as her sources.

It'll happen. Give it time.

gladrags

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Another interesting piece http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/murphys-disgraceful-belated-uturn-on-tallaght-thuggery-30766259.html

Murphy gets it in the neck,while the Sindo
devotes a two page arse licking parody,on none other than Bertie Aherne.

Who they are shamelessly trying to suggest,is on his way back,to save FF.

He,and the rest of his Mafioso style crooks and conmen,should be behind bars.

Give me Murphy any day.

eug87

Deleted User wrote: »

Another interesting piece http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/murphys-disgraceful-belated-uturn-on-tallaght-thuggery-30766259.html

The irony of the name independent while you have the owner Dennis the menace

''Anne Harris, editor of the Sunday Independent, has claimed that 17 journalists have received legal letters from Denis O’Brien in the last ten years.''

Here's a long well written article about Denis O'Brien,the power this guy has over the Irish media is worrying.

Worth a read.
http://www.villagemagazine.ie/index.php/2013/10/profile-denis-obrien/

Irish Independent is in the same bracket as the sun newspaper to me.

Banjo String

eug87 wrote: »

The irony of the name independent while you have the owner Dennis the menace

''Anne Harris, editor of the Sunday Independent, has claimed that 17 journalists have received legal letters from Denis O’Brien in the last ten years.''

Here's a long well written article about Denis O'Brien,the power this guy has over the Irish media is worrying.

Worth a read.
http://www.villagemagazine.ie/index.php/2013/10/profile-denis-obrien/

Irish Independent is in the same bracket as the sun newspaper to me.

Anyone doubting uncle Dennis' influence should read this tbh.

Stargate

Banjo String wrote: »

One things for sure, with the rise of social media, and sites like Facebook, Twitter, or even on here, whoever the next Govt happens to be made up from would do well to remember that the public are a lot more savvy than they would assume, and a lot harder to manipulate now through the mainstream media, be it online or in Hard copy editions.

If this govt has to go, and it's looking increasingly likely, it will be partially due to the revelations published on social media.

The Indo (even more than RTÉ) deserve a boycott from the public, their water protests, and anti water meter protests coverage have been absolutely shameful to put it mildly.

I'd say uncle Dennis is fuming this evening, the cunning plan isn't being implemented as flawlessly as he'd hoped.

That bollox should be ostracised, and his citizenship revoked.

Indeed . Couldn't agree more .

Social media is playing a huge part in highlighting everything that is NOT reported in newspapers and TV.

Tinkersbell

Stargate wrote: »

Indeed . Couldn't agree more .

Social media is playing a huge part in highlighting everything that is NOT reported in newspapers and TV.

Social media is the best thing ever to happen to this once backward little country.
We're beginning to see through the haze.....

LostinKildare

LOL all these attacks on Paul Murphy in the Sindo! He's the new Gerry Adams!

They better be careful or they'll inadvertently make him the next taoiseach!

garhjw

LostinKildare wrote: »

LOL all these attacks on Paul Murphy in the Sindo! He's the new Gerry Adams!

They better be careful or they'll inadvertently make him the next taoiseach!

Comrade Murphy and his state police force imprisioning even more people! He would also control the media, spurting out more communist rhetoric. Would be like the Soviet Union 30 years ago!

Little CuChulainn

LostinKildare wrote: »

It's all connected. The Corrib line is a project of Shell E&P Ireland (Royal Dutch Shell mostly, and Statoil).

Shell and Statoil retail were rebranded in Ireland as Topaz.

Topaz is owned by Denis O'Brien (bought at a generous 30ish% discount from Anglo). FYI, nation-wrecker Brian Cowen and failed AIB CEO Colm Doherty (having collected his €3 million golden handshake) are on the board of Topaz.

Last spring the FG govt handed O'Brien/Topaz a €20 million contract to fuel all AGS, Prison Service, and OPW vehicles.

Shell and statoil weren't simply rebranded. They pulled out of the retail market and Topaz bought their stations.

Busted Flat.

eug87 wrote: »

The irony of the name independent while you have the owner Dennis the menace

''Anne Harris, editor of the Sunday Independent, has claimed that 17 journalists have received legal letters from Denis O’Brien in the last ten years.''

Here's a long well written article about Denis O'Brien,the power this guy has over the Irish media is worrying.

Worth a read.
http://www.villagemagazine.ie/index.php/2013/10/profile-denis-obrien/

Irish Independent is in the same bracket as the sun newspaper to me.

Sure isn't that why Mick Collins put the gun to the editor and busted the printers. FG are proud of him. (oh fúck I should not have mentioned this)

BoatMad

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Social media is the best thing ever to happen to this once backward little country.
We're beginning to see through the haze.....

If one uses the discussions on here as any yardstick , I don't hold out much for social media telling us the truth or explaining anything

BoatMad

Highflyer13 wrote: »

You talk some amount of horse manure. How do you know that the other guys wont be far better, fairer and set better standards for the Irish people and run the country better? How do you know? Its never been tried before and now people are indicating that it is the time to look away from the civil war parties who seem cream themselves at the sight of a brown envelope without a thought for the consequences and suffering of others.

Look away to exactly whom, SF , a party with more skeletons in the closet then most, or a ragtag bunch of Independents, most of whom can hardly agree it's the same time.

The solution is not some " other" fairy godmother , political parties can't actually " set better standards for Irish people " , money does that.

BoatMad

Streetwalker wrote: »

People are willing to look the other way when it looks like the economy is picking up, the exact cycle that got us into this mess under the FF organisation. Sometimes I think Irish people have the brain power of a goldfish and we deserve all that's coming to us.

I find this amusing , you expect us to stay in ecomonic deprivation , just to prove a point. I want to see the economy improving , I want to see my kids get jobs here.

"It is the economy stupid "

BoatMad

In Lonesome Dove wrote: »

God, this is unreal.

My sister is unemployed and looking hard for work but unfortunately no luck. SW made contact with a letter calling her in for a meeting. She had follow up meetings too. She was given wrong information on courses like addresses phones numbers etc. SW leading her astray just to claim - you didn't take this or that and her SW dole is stopped. Another time they were forcing her onto a fetac level 3 computers course (juniour cert level). Something that would be suitable for example people who left school early and have qualifications. My sisters reckons, SW picks people with high qualifications for these courses so that they are degraded and they walk and SW is then stopped. Job or no job, sw want you off it.

It's only a matter of time before the government will introduce a grant for people to buy a rope, so long as those who claim for such a rope grant will pledge to use it around their necks.

Tell your sister to register as self -employed , that way when she earns something she'll pay full tax and prsi and when she earns nothing , she'll never be bothered by SW , ever , cause she won't be entitled to a penny.

rocoso

enda my bollicks ....look at the video that fine gael produced for the 1916 commeration....some form of ****e that was with the english queen and james cameron featuring so much....what identidy is this for irish people ...what are these people allinged to

Busted Flat.

rocoso wrote: »

enda my bollicks ....look at the video that fine gael produced for the 1916 commeration....some form of ****e that was with the english queen and james cameron featuring so much....what identidy is this for irish people ...what are these people allinged to

That video is an insight into the thinking and intelligence of the FG opinion of the events that happened. Sir John Bruton OBE,STD, and other disease's has a major input into the event,

BoatMad

Busted Flat. wrote: »

That video is an insight into the thinking and intelligence of the FG opinion of the events that happened. Sir John Bruton OBE,STD, and other disease's has a major input into the event,

What's this got to do with IW, start another thread

shruikan2553

Last time Ive been paying attention to IW was when I went to sign up in Oct to find the deadline has been put back. When talking to my mother she told me the entire thing has changed. When the **** did this happen?

Now from my understanding a house with 2 or more adults pays at most 260 a year and 100 is given back later in the year. You also do not need your PPSN and have until Feb to sign up. Is this all correct?