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emo72

BoatMad wrote: »

Sorry , the protestors were in court on a claim that they broke a court injunction, one presumes they were either arrested by the Gardai, or summonsed by the company , if it was in relation to an injection and a possible contempt of court , one would assume they were brought in by the Gardai.

The Chief super was there no doubt called by the council for the company or may have been there representing the state. He was asked to give his expert testimony

Just where is the evidence for your conclusion

I never saws so much wishful thinking in my life.

oh sorry mate, cant give you a source. family working in gmc/sierra. sorry its all i have. not gonna be good enough i know, but still thought id share it.

moxin

naughtb4 wrote: »

Isnt 200 feck all really?

BoatMad wrote: »

thats nothing, now if it was about doing away with the free travel, jaysus he'd be inundated.

Thats 200 on very short notice of a few hours that he was to attend such an event. Just watched a wonderful march on social media that took place in Wexford on Saturday just gone, over 4000 turned out. The march wasn't even part of a major national demo yet all those "ISIS dissident lunatic fringe" elements of all ages came out to protest.

omega man

Pocoyo wrote: »

What your view on the gardai do you believe they are well trained and the service is fit for purpose in its current form?

Not that I don't have a view on this but I don't see what your question has to do with this thread.

BoatMad

Pocoyo wrote: »

What your view on the gardai do you believe they are well trained and the service is fit for purpose in its current form?

I know you didnt ask me, personally I think the force do a great job, with a terrible lack of resources, and barely adequate training. In recent years a lot of resources has gone into specialist units and away from the rank and file.

Banjo String

shinzon wrote: »

Around 200 protestors according to RTE

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=972634182765584

Shin

So probably 400/600 in reality.

BoatMad

moxin wrote: »

Thats 200 on very short notice of a few hours that he was to attend such an event. Just watched a wonderful march on social media that took place in Wexford on Saturday just gone, over 4000 turned out. The march wasn't even part of a major national demo yet all those "ISIS dissident lunatic fringe" elements of all ages came out to protest.

dont say that too loud, or there'll be predator drones overhead, the Americans are very jumpy at the moment

gladrags

BoatMad wrote: »

most of it is still here, its seems to be buying a lot of houses, office blocks, new cars and what not

As far as I am aware foreign investors have bought the bulk of property.

I assume cars and "what nots'are borrowed.

Anyway,this is about society,not another greed driven bubble.

Banjo String

Thurston? wrote: »

I wasn't aware the guards were allowed to pick & choose the laws they want to enforce. So it's all down to who they 'back'? Learn something new everyday ...

Google "blue flu".

Pocoyo

omega man wrote: »

Not that I don't have a view on this but I don't see what your question has to do with this thread.

You took issue with a poster questioning the gardai,If there is issues in the service (there are numerous serious issues)

Then shouldnt the public ask questions of the gardai or should the public shut up and allow known corruption to flourish in the gardai and dail?

Thurston?

Pocoyo wrote: »

Thurston? wrote: »

I wasn't aware the guards were allowed to pick & choose the laws they want to enforce. So it's all down to who they 'back'? Learn something new everyday ...

Hello...Penalty points scandal??

Garda whistle blower John McCabe...

Somebody doesnt watch the news!!

So, the logical conclusion to draw from your reply here is that you think this stuff is actually 'allowed'? Like there's a vote taken on what are 'good' laws, & the whole force has to abide by the result?

Pocoyo

Thurston? wrote: »

So, the logical conclusion to draw from your reply here is that you think this stuff is actually 'allowed'? Like there's a vote taken on what are 'good' laws, & the whole force has to abide by the result?

'Allowed'

Grasping at straws.

Streetwalker

omega man wrote: »

You said "gardai backed the water scam". you never said Garda management but simpy Gardai. You can rolley eyes all you want. If you had said Garda management I would have got some kind of point you were trying to make otherwise yes it came across as anti gardai.

You understand Gardaí means the force not individual members right? You do know this?

Roger Hassenforder

most patient Guard in the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSn-9zzMxIU

BoatMad

gladrags wrote: »

BoatMad wrote: »

As far as I am aware foreign investors have bought the bulk of property.

I assume cars and "what nots'are borrowed.

Anyway,this is about society,not another greed driven bubble.

actually most house purchase are by irish people, many of whom having been waiting for the market to bottom out, the recent rush was caused by the fact that many taught they had missed it,

I don't think buying a car is a greed driven bubble

I assume cars and "what nots'are borrowed

I presume so , money is still very cheap and banks need to lend, most ordinary people arnt walking around with the price go a car in their pocket

Thurston?

Pocoyo wrote: »

'Allowed'

Grasping at straws.

I used the word 'allowed' because it's the word I used in my original post you replied to. You seem to think that I'm unaware that abuses of power exist in this world.

I'm not blind to the nature & failings of police forces. I would however like to think that our own wouldn't shrink from their duties, purely because enforcing a law & protecting workers seems like more hassle than it's worth in terms of some distorted notion of community relations.

BoatMad

it seems that having fail to make any convincing argument on the general subject matter, the lefties are now attempting to attack the Gardai in this debate or to preset them as a disunited force, in dispute with the democratically elected Gov.

hmmm.... I see we've left the IW debate

omega man

Streetwalker wrote: »

You understand Gardaí means the force not individual members right? You do know this?

Yes. So you then confirm that the entire force is "backing the scam". The difference is I believe they're just doing their job.

Gardai is plural for Garda by the way. The force is An Garda Siochana.

bajer101

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

most patient Guard in the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSn-9zzMxIU

I'm scarlet for those protesters. That's just embarrassing. Some of the comments are also priceless and it's telling that a lot of them seem to come from Eirigi types. Legitimate peaceful protesters need to disassociate themselves from these as they do their cause no good whatsoever.

gladrags

BoatMad wrote: »

it seems that having fail to make any convincing argument on the general subject matter, the lefties are now attempting to attack the Gardai in this debate or to preset them as a disunited force, in dispute with the democratically elected Gov.

hmmm.... I see we've left the IW debate

The water debate has many perspectives.

This thread, is a fascinating example of those perspectives.

You see.

gladrags

BoatMad wrote: »

gladrags wrote: »

actually most house purchase are by irish people, many of whom having been waiting for the market to bottom out, the recent rush was caused by the fact that many taught they had missed it,

I presume so , money is still very cheap and banks need to lend, most ordinary people arnt walking around with the price go a car in their pocket

Right so, you have come the full circle.

We are talking about borrowed wealth
according to your above quotes.Which as I am sure you are aware is DEBT.

Below is your previous vacuous claim.

"We are wealthy, we just don't pay enough taxes to cover the services we believe we want ( akak current budget deficit), you can do three things, raise taxes, cut spending, or fire public servants, we of course don't want to do anything like that , we want to blame "them" "

So we are wealthy,but we are borrowing,because we are wealthy,so we can end up in DEBT.!!!!!

Jesus wept.

And next you will tell me Enda's fiscal rectitude policies are the bees knees.

BoatMad

gladrags wrote: »

BoatMad wrote: »

Right so, you have come the full circle.

We are talking about borrowed wealth
according to your above quotes.Which as I am sure you are aware is DEBT.

Below is your previous vacuous claim.

"We are wealthy, we just don't pay enough taxes to cover the services we believe we want ( akak current budget deficit), you can do three things, raise taxes, cut spending, or fire public servants, we of course don't want to do anything like that , we want to blame "them" "

So we are wealthy,but we are borrowing,because we are wealthy,so we can end up in DEBT.!!!!!

Jesus wept.

And next you will tell me Enda's fiscal rectitude policies are the bees knees.

You can take my answer out of context if you wish , it serves no purpose and doesn't advance whatever logic you are attempting to reveal to us

I made the point that as a nation Ireland is a wealthy place. its a first world country.

credit is a requirement for a modern market economy to function, capital goods can be acquired by (a) saving, i.e. collecting the money in advance, or (b) collecting the money in arrears (called borrowing)

neither in itself is bad, too much saving can cause a deflationary spiral and effect consumer confidence and the domestic markets, as in Germany. Too much credit and you get a over stimulated domestic economy and the potential for bubbles.

Theres is a middle path.


NOTE that merely because someone has borrowings or DEBT as you put it , does not make them wealthy or poor.

And next you will tell me Enda's fiscal rectitude policies are the bees knees.

its nots the bees knees, however once the state had entered into the bank guarantee and risked failing, we had no choice

We would have had no choice but to raise taxes anyway, as we had a current budget deficit that has to be brought under control sooner or later. However the resulting shock to the economy that the effects of the bank guarantee forced on the state could perhaps have been mitigated.

Smidge

Chucky the tree wrote: »

So in the last 5 years you haven't had a nigh out, gone to a restaurant, or do anything socialable like that? I find that very hard to believe.

You see this is the problem...
You cant comprehend this as it isn't relevant in your life so therefore it seems totally unrealistic but that does not change the fact that this is very much a reality for a lot of people.
I go out probably once/twice max a year as thats all we can afford(it would be special occasions). Because you don't believe it doesn't make it less true, its just not part of your life as you can afford to do these things.
Dental treatment is a huge problem for people atm.
Check ups may be free, treatment is NOT.

This is intrinsic to all that is happening atm.
People are saying "Hang on a fecking minute!! I cant afford xyz and here is another quango getting bonuses and the government with taxes etc. Fukc that"
People are saying why are we no better in our pockets?
Unemployed people are saying why am I doing a jobsbridge when there is CLEARLY a paying position here which I would happily do for a wage?
People are saying why does childcare annihilate my wage when I want to work?
People are saying why am I choosing between heating the house and getting shopping in?
People are saying which bill or part of bill will I pay this week so that I can put another one off for another week?
People are dreading Christmas and Birthdays and the start of the school year etc etc as there is NO MONEY and it must be found irregardless.

I'm not a begrudger, I love to see people do well.
But when people who are doing well for themselves forget that there are many others who are not as well off even when busting a gut when working and raising a family (or even single)or being taken total advantage of and who are on an employment "scheme" and they can cast aspersions and be so totally disconnected from the many, than surely they cannot be surprised when the many say......No more.

Pocoyo

This isnt about IW anymore its about equality.

listermint

Smidge wrote: »

You see this is the problem...
You cant comprehend this as it isn't relevant in your life so therefore it seems totally unrealistic but that does not change the fact that this is very much a reality for a lot of people.
I go out probably once/twice max a year as thats all we can afford(it would be special occasions). Because you don't believe it doesn't make it less true, its just not part of your life as you can afford to do these things.
Dental treatment is a huge problem for people atm.
Check ups may be free, treatment is NOT.

This is intrinsic to all that is happening atm.
People are saying "Hang on a fecking minute!! I cant afford xyz and here is another quango getting bonuses and the government with taxes etc. Fukc that"
People are saying why are we no better in our pockets?
Unemployed people are saying why am I doing a jobsbridge when there is CLEARLY a paying position here which I would happily do for a wage?
People are saying why does childcare annihilate my wage when I want to work?
People are saying why am I choosing between heating the house and getting shopping in?
People are saying which bill or part of bill will I pay this week so that I can put another one off for another week?
People are dreading Christmas and Birthdays and the start of the school year etc etc as there is NO MONEY and it must be found irregardless.

I'm not a begrudger, I love to see people do well.
But when people who are doing well for themselves forget that there are many others who are not as well off even when busting a gut when working and raising a family (or even single)or being taken total advantage of and who are on an employment "scheme" and they can cast aspersions and be so totally disconnected from the many, than surely they cannot be surprised when the many say......No more.

Don't worry a certain boat favourer will be along shortly with a mythological cousin to call you a far lefty and that you don't understand real unequality.

The real poverty in ireland is directors of companies I was told earlier.

Put me right in my place

Little CuChulainn

Pocoyo wrote: »

This isnt about IW anymore its about equality.

Only in the communist sense.

VinLieger

Pocoyo wrote: »

This isnt about IW anymore its about equality.

You one of coppingers disciples looking to take down the establishment?

Explain what is unequal about everyone paying for what they use?

Streetwalker

The Gardaí are acting like hired thugs for a private contractor at this stage. Shame on them.

VinLieger

Streetwalker wrote: »

The Gardaí are acting like hired thugs for a private contractor at this stage. Shame on them.

It's called a legal court injunction which they are obligated to enforce as part of their job, be pissed at the judge who issued it not working gardai trying to just do what they are trained to

moxin

VinLieger wrote: »

Explain what is unequal about everyone paying for what they use?

Don't like paying twice for water. Reduce the motor tax and VAT first and while you're at it divert the water meter contract money to fixing leaks first.

RobertKK

People who pay for their water have far better water infrastructure than those who rely on an underfunded public water supply.

If people won't pay they will get what they pay for, which is an inferior water supply and infrastructure.