IW/Anything Water Related-Warning in OP

shinzon

keithclancy wrote: »

Proof ?

I already posted this:
http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTWSS/Resources/Workingnote9.pdf

The only person not referencing anything is you.

I like that phrase "LA LA LAND" very Joe Duffy

Where does that report reference anything to do with the situation in Ireland, the same amount of countries are mentioned again and again, a 9 country sampling is rather a miniscule amount to base your entire argument on wasting 100's of millions setting up Irish Water in all fairness

Shin

keithclancy

shinzon wrote: »

Where does that report reference anything to do with the situation in Ireland, the same amount of countries are mentioned again and again, a 9 country sampling is rather a miniscule amount to base your entire argument on wasting 100's of millions setting up Irish Water in all fairness

Shin

The report is on the characteristics of a good performing water utility, which Irish water is not.

I have clean water that comes out of my tap and the water pressure is excellent, for saving water I see a direct fiscal benefit as it's my choice to use it or not.

Whereas in Ireland I wouldn't even drink water from the tap, I'd use it for tea/coffee, but thats about it.

moxin

ISIS dissident terrorists held a vigil in Clonmel last night https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CI033tkoi8&sns=fb There were new protests in the last few days against meter installations in Knocklyon, Templeogue and Bray, Drogheda and Duleek outside the Pale. None of this was reported in the mainstream media except maybe a snippet in the Journal.

KERSPLAT!

MOD

Please don't post personal details

deco nate

moxin wrote: »

ISIS dissident terrorists held a vigil in Clonmel last night https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVrJ8DxECbg There were new protests in the last few days against meter installations in Knocklyon, Templeogue and Bray, Drogheda and Duleek outside the Pale. None of this was reported in the mainstream media except maybe a snippet in the Journal.

That's a drive thru prank video

Banjo String

Pocoyo wrote: »

Apparently only 200 odd thousand have singed up and i imagine half of that number are kicking themselves.

Maryanne will be along soon to counter this with some waffle from Tierney saying 747,000 returned their packs. :pac:

mrsbyrne

https://m.facebook.com/EdenmoreSaysNo
The cheek of the employees of GMC Sierra not to just put up with a bunch of thugs abusing them while they try to do their work. How very dare they object.

keithclancy

moxin wrote: »

ISIS dissident terrorists held a vigil in Clonmel last night https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVrJ8DxECbg There were new protests in the last few days against meter installations in Knocklyon, Templeogue and Bray, Drogheda and Duleek outside the Pale. None of this was reported in the mainstream media except maybe a snippet in the Journal.

Ya, people are dressing up as seats in Clonmel the whole time :pac:

Satriale

gladrags wrote: »

This has to be one of the most unrestrained and vicious articles on the water issue, I have read.

It comes from Liz O'Donnell, who was recently appointed to the RSA, by god knows who.

It raises the question of her suitability for that role, and her intellectual capacity to make unbiased decisions, in perspective. You could see how she would do well on the board of IW.

Who appointed this individual?

She should be sacked.

"The media's coverage of the water protests, particularly some TV journalists', has been disappointing. They will plead their duty to provide balance but many have been pandering to populism. Some seem more interested in the Government's discomfort than in challenging those equivocating about violence.
The revised package on water charges has mitigated the worst aspects of the original proposals; they are fair, low, and predictable and capped. My feeling is that most reasonable people will back off the protest and be content that their legitimate concerns have been assuaged by the Government.
It was instructive to see the unions who were part of the water protest movement balking at the removal of the bonus payments scheme, even though that was one of the major gripes of the protests about Irish Water as an organisation. They want to have it both ways."

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/liz-odonnell/cynically-populist-sinn-fein-and-loony-left-offer-only-defiance-and-instability-30783679.html

She's one of those mudguards who facilitated FF in the ruination of this country.

A Government is entitled to review a policy in the light of public non-compliance demonstrated peacefully. What is unsavoury is the emergence of a violent, aggressive element taking to the streets and using the issue of water as a vehicle to foment anarchy and intimidation of other citizens, including ministers. The right to protest in a democracy is limited, not absolute.


i'd like to remind Liz that peaceful non compliance for the HHC and LPT got people bullied into paying by the Revenue.
They should consider themselves very lucky that 99.999% of protestors, though very angry, are still and will stay peaceful, and build on that instead of focusing on one or two very dubious claims of violence.

moxin

deco nate wrote: »

That's a drive thru prank video

Thanks, corrected now

shinzon

keithclancy wrote: »

The report is on the characteristics of a good performing water utility, which Irish water is not.

glad you admit Irish Water is a shambles at least and do you think this quango can be turned around by people who don't want to turn it around because there making shedloads of money and who are not held responsible for any decisions made by them by the government whove already said they can do nothing about bonuses etc etc that its upto Irish water.

In summation in order to get anything that report says needs to be done to get an efficient supply IW would need to be scrapped and start from scratch (which isn't going to happen) plus im assuming a compliant population willing to pay the charges for it which a percentage of the population aren't willing or will never be willing to pay a direct charge where they already pay for it through general taxation

invalidates your argument about that report now doesn't it

Shin

Thurston?

gladrags wrote: »

This has to be one of the most unrestrained and vicious articles on the water issue, I have read.

Seems like a reasonable assessment of the situation to me. I wonder am I just a reasonable person, & maybe your comments on the article reflect your particular nature too?

SaveOurLyric

Banjo String wrote: »

Maryanne will be along soon to counter this with some waffle from Tierney saying 747,000 returned their packs. :pac:

You beat her to it. 747000 is correct though. Some are still coming in.

Tinkersbell

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

You beat her to it. 747000 is correct though. Some are still coming in.

Even if she is, that's still over 1.2 million who haven't or won't engage.
I'd like to know how many of the mythical 747,000 were completed or had no contract/no consent written on them.

Breffnigolfer

Pocoyo wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10205069802842197&set=vb.1157057457&type=2&theater


Enda Kenny's 2011 pre election speech 2 minutes.

No waiting for

A Government that puts the people first

A House

Free healthcare,

for a hospital bed,

No more governments wasting your money,

Vote fine gail and see that all government are not all the same


.... Lying cnut.

He also said that if he didnt deliver on these promises he would not stand for re-election.....Fraud!!

But FG were not elected into Government. The election, instead, gave us a Coalition, with the result no single party's manifesto could be implemented.
Do you not know the state of the Country's finances inherited by this Govt?
Do you know the restrictions they faced? Do you know what the outgoing Govt had signed the Country up to?
Do you honestly think we could have continued to pay our Public and Civil Service if the bond holders were burned?

We cannot have a situation where some of the households in the country demand and get unlimited water supply for free? What about those not connected to Public Utilities?

What about college fees? They were free after Gemma Hussey decreed. Should the protesters demand they (college fees) be removed? Or, much more likely, will this not affected say nothing?

Paul Murphy, the champagne socialist, was elected recently, in an election with a 35% turnout. What does that say about democracy? Or is it a case that bullying and intimidation are the order of the day?

shinzon

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

You beat her to it. 747000 is correct though. Some are still coming in.

Id actually like to know the figure of fully completed forms to give a true indication of who fully engaged rather then the forms processed with nothing written on them, which id say is closer to the 200000 mark rather then the 740000 odd

Shin

Pocoyo

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

But FG were not elected into Government. The election, instead, gave us a Coalition, with the result no single party's manifesto could be implemented.
Do you not know the state of the Country's finances inherited by this Govt?
Do you know the restrictions they faced? Do you know what the outgoing Govt had signed the Country up to?
Do you honestly think we could have continued to pay our Public and Civil Service if the bond holders were burned?

We cannot have a situation where some of the households in the country demand and get unlimited water supply for free? What about those not connected to Public Utilities?

What about college fees? They were free after Gemma Hussey decreed. Should the protesters demand they (college fees) be removed? Or, much more likely, will this not affected say nothing?

Paul Murphy, the champagne socialist, was elected recently, in an election with a 35% turnout. What does that say about democracy? Or is it a case that bullying and intimidation are the order of the day?

Water was never free if you ever believed it was then....im lost for words,

Do you know that if FG refused to pay the banking debt that this country would have a surplus of funds?

Valetta

Pocoyo wrote: »

Do you know that if FG refused to pay the banking debt that this country would have a surplus of funds?

That's utter nonsense.

Pocoyo

Valetta wrote: »

That's utter nonsense.

How so?

Valetta

Pocoyo wrote: »

How so?

In order to have a surplus of funds, we would need to have zero debt, or funds on deposit exceeding our debt.

Our debt at the moment is roughly €200 million, of which a small amount is related to the bank bailouts.

Pocoyo

Valetta wrote: »

In order to have a surplus of funds, we would need to have zero debt, or funds on deposit exceeding our debt.

Our debt at the moment is roughly €200 million, of which a small amount is related to the bank bailouts.

Now thats nonsense i just said if we refused to repay the debt. :pac:

If we refused to pay the 8 billion for 2014 we will have a surplus.

We are paying 42 percent of europes debt do you not believe its correct that we refuse to pay?

donvito99

Pocoyo wrote: »

We are paying 42 percent of europes debt do you not believe its correct that we refuse to pay?

ahahhahhahhahhahahhah

gladrags

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

But FG were not elected into Government. The election, instead, gave us a Coalition, with the result no single party's manifesto could be implemented.
Do you not know the state of the Country's finances inherited by this Govt?
Do you know the restrictions they faced? Do you know what the outgoing Govt had signed the Country up to?
Do you honestly think we could have continued to pay our Public and Civil Service if the bond holders were burned?

We cannot have a situation where some of the households in the country demand and get unlimited water supply for free? What about those not connected to Public Utilities?

What about college fees? They were free after Gemma Hussey decreed. Should the protesters demand they (college fees) be removed? Or, much more likely, will this not affected say nothing?

Paul Murphy, the champagne socialist, was elected recently, in an election with a 35% turnout. What does that say about democracy? Or is it a case that bullying and intimidation are the order of the day?

FG had 30% of the vote in 2011.

They have no mandate,and they never had an overall mandate,always coalition governments.

Is this democratic?

You are right about the bullying,sad that Kenny and Noonan,just played dead with the bullies from the IMF and EU.

They had no mandate,but they caved in.!!!!

Anti democratic that.

Thurston?

Tinkersbell wrote: »

I'd like to know how many of the mythical 747,000 were completed or had no contract/no consent written on them.

What does it matter? 'No contract, no consent' counts for nothing here.

donvito99

gladrags wrote: »

FG had 30% of the vote in 2011.

They have no mandate

.

I'm not sure you understand how our democracy works.

donvito99

Little or no mention of water protests in the paper of record this afternoon. Typical Denis O'Brien Irish Times Trust government mouthpiece.

Thurston?

donvito99 wrote: »

I'm not sure you understand how our democracy works.

But they used the word 'mandate', of course they understand!

donvito99

Thurston? wrote: »

But they used the word 'mandate', of course they understand!

Adding an ! to the end of your jibberish doesn't make it any more understandable.

Thurston?

donvito99 wrote: »

Adding an ! to the end of your jibberish doesn't make it any more understandable.

Gibberish? Dumb, throwaway remark maybe, but this is AH isn't it?

I'm just saying some people will fill their posts with words like 'mandate' & I kind of wonder sometimes if they really know what these words mean.

gladrags

donvito99 wrote: »

I'm not sure you understand how our democracy works.

FG do not represent the democratic wishes of the electorate.

That is how it works.

Cronyism is not what the electorate voted for.

That is how democracy works.

The electorate did not vote for cutbacks to emergency services,or to the cutbacks for essential services for sick children.

That is what defines a civilised society.