IW/Anything Water Related-Warning in OP

keithclancy

shinzon wrote: »

glad you admit Irish Water is a shambles at least and do you think this quango can be turned around by people who don't want to turn it around because there making shedloads of money and who are not held responsible for any decisions made by them by the government whove already said they can do nothing about bonuses etc etc that its upto Irish water.

In summation in order to get anything that report says needs to be done to get an efficient supply IW would need to be scrapped and start from scratch (which isn't going to happen) plus im assuming a compliant population willing to pay the charges for it which a percentage of the population aren't willing or will never be willing to pay a direct charge where they already pay for it through general taxation

invalidates your argument about that report now doesn't it

Shin

The problems need to be fixed and the service needs to be improved.

Scrapping the whole thing and starting from scratch would indeed be a waste of money.

Do you think we should do the same for Electricity and Gas then ?

Why don't we just put that into General Taxation as well ?

gladrags

donvito99 wrote: »

I'm not sure you understand how our democracy works.

FG do not represent the democratic wishes of the electorate.

That is how it works.

Cronyism is not what the electorate voted for.

That is how democracy works.

The electorate did not vote for cutbacks to emergency services,or to the cutbacks for essential services for sick children.

That is what defines a civilised society.

gladrags

Thurston? wrote: »

Gibberish? Dumb, throwaway remark maybe, but this is AH isn't it?

I'm just saying some people will fill their posts with words like 'mandate' & I kind of wonder sometimes if they really know what these words mean.

He does not understand what democracy is.

Pocoyo

donvito99 wrote: »

ahahhahhahhahhahahhah

Ireland 0.9% of europes population have and are paying 42% of europes debt.

If you are unaware of this,Then you probably shoudnt be posting on this thread TBH.



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EazyD

Pocoyo wrote: »

Ireland 0.9% of europes population have and are paying 42% of europes debt.

If you are unaware of this,Then you probably shoudnt be posting on this thread TBH.



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Nevermind the fact that the Maastrict Treaty rulings were essentially torn up and disregarded to facilitate the bailout.

Tony EH

gladrags wrote: »

This has to be one of the most unrestrained and vicious articles on the water issue, I have read.

It comes from Liz O'Donnell, who was recently appointed to the RSA, by god knows who.

It raises the question of her suitability for that role, and her intellectual capacity to make unbiased decisions, in perspective. You could see how she would do well on the board of IW.

Who appointed this individual?

She should be sacked.

"The media's coverage of the water protests, particularly some TV journalists', has been disappointing. They will plead their duty to provide balance but many have been pandering to populism. Some seem more interested in the Government's discomfort than in challenging those equivocating about violence.
The revised package on water charges has mitigated the worst aspects of the original proposals; they are fair, low, and predictable and capped. My feeling is that most reasonable people will back off the protest and be content that their legitimate concerns have been assuaged by the Government.
It was instructive to see the unions who were part of the water protest movement balking at the removal of the bonus payments scheme, even though that was one of the major gripes of the protests about Irish Water as an organisation. They want to have it both ways."

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/liz-odonnell/cynically-populist-sinn-fein-and-loony-left-offer-only-defiance-and-instability-30783679.html

Who's ever cared about what that cünt said.

:pac:

She's utterly meaningless.

keithclancy

Pocoyo wrote: »

Ireland 0.9% of europes population have and are paying 42% of europes debt.

If you are unaware of this,Then you probably shoudnt be posting on this thread TBH.



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Pocoyo

keithclancy wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92923412&postcount=25

Im confused what does this have to do with ireland paying 42% of europes debt?

donvito99

gladrags wrote: »

FG do not represent the democratic wishes of the electorate.

That is how it works.

Cronyism is not what the electorate voted for.

That is how democracy works.

The electorate did not vote for cutbacks to emergency services,or to the cutbacks for essential services for sick children.

That is what defines a civilised society.

Cronyism? Check.

Sick children? Check.

Denis O'Brien? Where's the mention of the Gov mouthpiece?

Pocoyo

donvito99 wrote: »

Cronyism? Check.

Sick children? Check.

Denis O'Brien? Where's the mention of the Gov mouthpiece?

Wow you really are making a fool of yourself.

donvito99

Pocoyo wrote: »

Im confused what does this have to do with ireland paying 42% of europes debt?

It's the absolute vagueness and sound-biteyness of this statement.

Debt. What debt? Banking debt? State debt? Is Ireland paying 42% of Italy, Germany, Spain's legacy debt?

Don't let the hard truth get in the way of a good slogan on a placard.

dlouth15

donvito99 wrote: »

It's the absolute vagueness and sound-biteyness of this statement.

Debt. What debt? Banking debt? State debt? Is Ireland paying 42% of Italy, Germany, Spain's legacy debt?

Don't let the hard truth get in the way of a ood slogan on a placard.

An economist working for the UNITE trade union added up the cost of the banking crisis in each of the eurozone countries and came up with that figure.

http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/banking-crisis-bill-ireland-755464-Jan2013/

keithclancy

Pocoyo wrote: »

Im confused what does this have to do with ireland paying 42% of europes debt?

It's the debt from the banking crisis not Europe's debt.

Pocoyo

donvito99 wrote: »

It's the absolute vagueness and sound-biteyness of this statement.

Debt. What debt? Banking debt? State debt? Is Ireland paying 42% of Italy, Germany, Spain's legacy debt?

Don't let the hard truth get in the way of a good slogan on a placard.

http://notesonthefront.typepad.com/politicaleconomy/2013/01/with-considerable-speculation-about-an-impending-deal-on-bank-debt-with-the-taoiseach-and-the-german-chancellor-jointly-sta.html

Heres the hard truth ffs. :rolleyes:

vagueness me bollocks!

Pocoyo

keithclancy wrote: »

It's the debt from the banking crisis not Europe's debt.

Sigh...

The idiocy of that statement upsets me read up on the banking crisis and then get back to me.

donvito99

Pocoyo wrote: »

Ireland 0.9% of europes population have and are paying 42% of europes debt.

If you are unaware of this,Then you probably shoudnt be posting on this thread TBH.



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Pocoyo wrote: »

Im confused what does this have to do with ireland paying 42% of europes debt?

Pocoyo wrote: »

http://notesonthefront.typepad.com/politicaleconomy/2013/01/with-considerable-speculation-about-an-impending-deal-on-bank-debt-with-the-taoiseach-and-the-german-chancellor-jointly-sta.html

Heres the hard truth ffs. :rolleyes:

vagueness me bollocks!

42% of banking debt, not "Europe's debt" as you've repeatedly - and hilariously - said.

donvito99

Pocoyo wrote: »

Sigh...

The idiocy of that statement upsets me read up on the banking crisis and then get back to me.

You can sigh all you want, perhaps in your exasperation you'll see the schoolboy error you've made in terminology.

Pocoyo

donvito99 wrote: »

42% of banking debt, not "Europe's debt" as you've repeatedly - and hilariously - said.

like i said idiocy.

gladrags

Tony EH wrote: »

Who's ever cared about what that cünt said.

:pac:

She's utterly meaningless.

Unfortunately she is on the board of the RSA.

Judging by her inability to form a rational perspective, what does that say about road safety awareness,and her capacity to lessen the death toll.?

She should resign.

She could have used the article to express the risks,as outlined by the RSA to dangerous driving.

Tinkersbell

Gotta laugh at the spindo.
Had a look at their website there for the craic and the headline on the main page is 'Hundreds take to the street to protest.....'
Click the link and the headline is 'Thousands take to the street to protest.....'
What a rag....

donvito99

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Gotta laugh at the spindo.
Had a look at their website there for the craic and the headline on the main page is 'Hundreds take to the street to protest.....'
Click the link and the headline is 'Thousands take to the street to protest.....'
What a rag....

Question. Where were the tens, hundreds of thousands promised? This was hyped to be a Government toppling march?

shinzon

keithclancy wrote: »

The problems need to be fixed and the service needs to be improved.

Scrapping the whole thing and starting from scratch would indeed be a waste of money.

Do you think we should do the same for Electricity and Gas then ?

Why don't we just put that into General Taxation as well ?

Im pointing out the fact that by every definition in the document you have linked twice now Irish water fails at everyone of them so either you sack the board which there not going to do and neither can the government or start again because Irish water is simply not fit and will never be fit for purpose generally or under those guidelines you posted.

You keep saying the services needs to be fixed and the services need to be improved yet then you say the companies not fit for purpose

So what do you suggest keep throwing money at it in the hopes the whole mess fixes itself, once its rotten at the top you can forget about fixing anything

Shin

Tinkersbell

donvito99 wrote: »

Question. Where were the tens, hundreds of thousands promised? This was hyped to be a Government toppling march?

That's on Dec 10th.
Today was to mark the deadline for registering.......oh wait, the blueshirts moved that............ again.
On the run!

keithclancy

shinzon wrote: »

Im pointing out the fact that by every definition in the document you have linked twice now Irish water fails at everyone of them so either you sack the board which there not going to do and neither can the government or start again because Irish water is simply not fit and will never be fit for purpose generally or under those guidelines you posted.

You keep saying the services needs to be fixed and the services need to be improved yet then you say the companies not fit for purpose

So what do you suggest keep throwing money at it in the hopes the whole mess fixes itself, once its rotten at the top you can forget about fixing anything

Shin

You didn't read it then.

You also didn't answer my question

Should we also charge a flat rate for electricity and gas and incorporate it into general taxes ?

Pocoyo

donvito99 wrote: »

Question. Where were the tens, hundreds of thousands promised? This was hyped to be a Government toppling march?

You genuinely have no idea what you are talking about.

SaveOurLyric

"Irish people endorse government's revisions to water charges - only hundreds turn up to protest."

SaveOurLyric

donvito99 wrote: »

Question. Where were the tens, hundreds of thousands promised? This was hyped to be a Government toppling march?

Its a big thumbs up for the government alright.

gladrags

Coppinger today...

“Joan Burton wonders why she drove into Jobstown, one of the most deprived communities in this country and a red carpet wasn’t flung under her feet? Because you’re the Minister for "homelessness, Joan,” she said."

And that is what Burton and the extinct labour party have morphed into.

But watch your back Joan.

Enda and Baldy will stop at nothing.

The 5 point plan from 2011 is alive and well.

The squeezed middle are now the top of Kenny's agenda.

An election is imminent.

donvito99

gladrags wrote: »

But watch your back Joan.

Enda and Baldy will stop at nothing.

Classy.

gladrags

donvito99 wrote: »

Cronyism? Check.

Sick children? Check.

Denis O'Brien? Where's the mention of the Gov mouthpiece?

Ultimately, tabloid journalism aka paper media,is finished.

The days of the Sindo and the IT setting the political agenda,are over.

At last,we have global perspectives.

No hiding place for corruption.