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gladrags · 01-12-2014 12:05pm

"Irish Water spends more than €81,000 a week on legal fees and has paid more than €5 million to three large Dublin law firms since it was set up last year.
Internal figures compiled by the utility company show it has spent almost €4.9 million on legal costs linked to its establishment since August 2013, and a further €335,000 in ongoing operational legal fees.,"

Irish Times

Red Pepper · 01-12-2014 12:14pm

Alan Dukes, yesterday...

"A glorious, god-awful mess has been made of Irish Water," he said. "We've ended up with a system now that no rational person would have invented if they had sat down to put this kind of system together.

"The hope must be that it will work lamely until some sort of coherent system is put in place."

Wow!

Red Pepper · 01-12-2014 12:35pm

On the Poolbeg project which John Tierney led...

Council Manager Owen Keegan today detailed that €36.7 million has been splashed on consultants, PR and legal advice for the doomed project – €30 million more than planned.
He said not one cent of the €96 million that has already been spent will be clawed back if the plan doesn’t go ahead.
Mr Keegan said: “If the project does not proceed the bulk of the costs incurred by the Dublin local authorities will not be recouped.
“In addition, the PPP (Public Private Partnership) Company has incurred significant costs to date. It may seek to recover these costs.”
This emerged as the Oireachtas committee decided to call in new Irish Water boss John Tierney on his role in the doomed project.
The figures also show €4 million was spent on site management, security and monitoring costs throughout the ten years of the project.
It says €29 million was given to consultancy firm RPS for client representation, another €1,344,559 for reports on site selection and planning.
The breakdown includes €1,820,222 for legal fees and €4.5 million for public relations bringing the total to €96 million.
Mr Keegan also confirmed another €10 million was blown on a district heating scheme with no democratic oversight or approval.
Asked if the Poolbeg incinerator will go ahead as planned, Mr Keegan replied: “I don’t know.”

The new council manager stops just short of call John Tierney a muppet!

steamengine · 01-12-2014 12:38pm

Those who favour privatisation should consider very carefully what exactly they might be paying for in addition to water.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/water-giants-make-2billion-profit-4703371

shinzon · 01-12-2014 12:46pm

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

I've made a simple point, you need to man up and pay your fair share for using Public water supply.

Incorrect. Only those connected to Public water supplies are spongers. The rest of the people are paying for water.

It's an unfair way of paying for the supply. Everyone should pay their fair share, at the moment that is not the case. For the increased funding required, those connected to Public water must pay more, those not connected should not be expected to pay anything.

That does not make sense.

Absolute nonsense post tbh but whatever floats your boat, both myself and Tony Eh have put credible alternatives to your beloved irish water that doesn't require any utility wasting 100's of millions in setting up essentially a billing system, but because it doesn't fit into your agenda you just dismiss it out of hand

Shin

Caliden · 01-12-2014 12:49pm

steamengine wrote: »

Those who favour privatisation should consider very carefully what exactly they might be paying for in addition to water.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/water-giants-make-2billion-profit-4703371

But...but...Irish Water would never do that. Enda Kenny made a promise and he always keeps his promises....

http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/ploughing-championships/kenny-breaks-own-promise-by-putting-crony-in-board-seat-30617158.html

http://www.thejournal.ie/enda-kenny-regrets-confusion-over-hospital-election-promises-174077-Jul2011/

http://thestory.ie/2012/07/27/government-reneges-on-foi-promises/

Red Pepper · 01-12-2014 12:49pm

"A glorious, god-awful mess has been made of Irish Water," he said. "We've ended up with a system now that no rational person would have invented if they had sat down to put this kind of system together.

"The hope must be that it will work lamely until some sort of coherent system is put in place."

How have heads not rolled for this?

gladrags · 01-12-2014 12:50pm

"The death of a homeless man in his 40s on Molesworth Street in Dublin is being investigated.

The man's body was discovered less than 50 metres from Leinster House at around 8.30am.

Gardaí are investigating the man's death."

RTE.ie

The irony is sickening.

shinzon · 01-12-2014 12:52pm

Reported by Direct Democracy Facebook page

there is currently a very large stand-off going on in the Moneymore estate in Drogheda where 22 Gardai are present while Anthony and the protesters negotiate with Irish Water to leave the area.

Bit by bit its being killed off

Shin

Breffnigolfer · 01-12-2014 12:57pm

shinzon wrote: »

Absolute nonsense post tbh but whatever floats your boat, both myself and Tony Eh have put credible alternatives to your beloved irish water that doesn't require any utility wasting 100's of millions in setting up essentially a billing system, but because it doesn't fit into your agenda you just dismiss it out of hand

Shin

Two things

1. It's not my "beloved" Irish Water (but, hell, that doesn't suit you trying to have a go, eh?)

2. You have NOT put any credible alternative forward.

Man up, pay your fair share and don't be a sponger!

Highflyer13 · 01-12-2014 1:03pm

Highflyer13 wrote: »

Thats where he is wrong. People die indirectly from this type of waste. Whether it be on a hospital trolley, or at the side of the road due to service A&E/ ambulance, could be somebody who has taken their own live because lack of mental health services or on the streets of Dublin in the freezing cold because they have been made homeless.

The knock on effects of this type of incompetence and waste kills people.

http://www.thejournal.ie/man-found-dead-leinster-house-1808865-Dec2014/

As I said before......:(

shinzon · 01-12-2014 1:07pm

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

Two things

1. It's not my "beloved" Irish Water (but, hell, that doesn't suit you trying to have a go, eh?)

2. You have NOT put any credible alternative forward.

Man up, pay your fair share and don't be a sponger!

well

1) You want to pay the charge and are putting up a vigorous defense of it.

2) Yes I have you just don't want to listen to it

Shin

Kermit.de.frog · 01-12-2014 1:09pm

gladrags wrote: »

"The death of a homeless man in his 40s on Molesworth Street in Dublin is being investigated.

The man's body was discovered less than 50 metres from Leinster House at around 8.30am.

Gardaí are investigating the man's death."

RTE.ie

The irony is sickening.

What has that got to do with water charges?

Barely There · 01-12-2014 1:11pm

gladrags wrote: »

"The death of a homeless man in his 40s on Molesworth Street in Dublin is being investigated.

The man's body was discovered less than 50 metres from Leinster House at around 8.30am.

Gardaí are investigating the man's death."

RTE.ie

The irony is sickening.

Your understanding of irony is on a par with Alanis Morissette's.

However, your attempt to link the tragic death of a homeless person with an IW debate in order to score some cheap political points, is truly sickening.

And that's ironic.

Highflyer13 · 01-12-2014 1:16pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

What has that got to do with water charges?

The waste of extraordinary sums of cash on IW could be better spent elsewhere.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-12-2014 1:17pm

Highflyer13 wrote: »

The waste of extraordinary sums of cash could be better spent elsewhere.

Pay your water charges and there will be more state funds for elsewhere.

But again it is completely irrelevant to water charges.

Going Forward · 01-12-2014 1:18pm

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

Those people currently availing of free water need to man up and pay their fair share.

The public has always footed the bill for the the supply of public water and grants for private wells too.

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

Are you a man or a sponger?

The gender assignment query and name calling might be funny if you weren't already criticising someone else's debating skills.

Breffnigolfer · 01-12-2014 1:35pm

Going Forward wrote: »

The public has always footed the bill for the the supply of public water and grants for private wells too.
.............

What grants for private wells?

Breffnigolfer · 01-12-2014 1:37pm

shinzon wrote: »

well

1) You want to pay the charge and are putting up a vigorous defense of it.

..........

As it happens, I'm not a customer of Irish Water. I'm one of the 600,000 people already paying for a water supply. (Paying twice, going by your logic)

keithclancy · 01-12-2014 1:44pm

Going Forward wrote: »

The public has always footed the bill for the the supply of public water and grants for private wells too.

That grant is useless, houses over 7 years old are only eligible.

Who exactly would wait 7 years without a water supply to be eligible for a grant.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-12-2014 1:48pm

Also amazing that so many seem to think that the setting up of a large and complex utility like Irish Water can somehow how be done with no cost and without consultants or outside expertise.

Breffnigolfer · 01-12-2014 1:54pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Also amazing that so many seem to think that the setting up of a large and complex utility like Irish Water can somehow how be done with no cost and without consultants or outside expertise.

And, it seems, a belief that all current administration costs nothing!

Red Pepper · 01-12-2014 1:55pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Pay your water charges and there will be more state funds for elsewhere.

naive. more state funds to waste you mean.

Red Pepper · 01-12-2014 1:57pm

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

And, it seems, a belief that all current administration costs nothing!

naive. you seem content to throw good money after bad.

keithclancy · 01-12-2014 2:07pm

steamengine wrote: »

Those who favour privatisation should consider very carefully what exactly they might be paying for in addition to water.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/water-giants-make-2billion-profit-4703371

Sorry, I didn't read the mirror this morning, I ran out of Toilet Paper.

It appears the Mirror did the 'analysis' themselves, but they seem to have conveniently left out where they got any of these figures from.

Also the only other news source I can find is an AOL Money Article that references the Mirror article.

Caliden wrote: »

But...but...Irish Water would never do that. Enda Kenny made a promise and he always keeps his promises....

http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/ploughing-championships/kenny-breaks-own-promise-by-putting-crony-in-board-seat-30617158.html

http://www.thejournal.ie/enda-kenny-regrets-confusion-over-hospital-election-promises-174077-Jul2011/

http://thestory.ie/2012/07/27/government-reneges-on-foi-promises/

Also why have they not privatised and sold Bord Gais Networks and Eirgrid ?

Eirgrid has been around for 13 years and hasn't been sold.

If this was the norm it would have happened already.

gladrags · 01-12-2014 2:22pm

Barely There wrote: »

Your understanding of irony is on a par with Alanis Morissette's.

However, your attempt to link the tragic death of a homeless person with an IW debate in order to score some cheap political points, is truly sickening.

And that's ironic.

"Sam McGuinness, the chief executive of homeless charity Dublin Simon, said there had been a “phenomenal” increase in rough sleeping in Dublin this year.
He said that as much as agencies attempted to help people on the street, it was likely “that as winter is coming in we are going to have more deaths”.
The number of people sleeping rough in Dublin was last month recorded at the highest level since official counting began in 2007.
The Dublin Region Homeless Executive said some 168 people were found sleeping on the city’s streets on the night of November 11th when the official 2014 ‘winter rough sleeper count’ was conducted."

Barely There · 01-12-2014 2:29pm

gladrags wrote: »

"Sam McGuinness, the chief executive of homeless charity Dublin Simon, said there had been a “phenomenal” increase in rough sleeping in Dublin this year.
He said that as much as agencies attempted to help people on the street, it was likely “that as winter is coming in we are going to have more deaths”.
The number of people sleeping rough in Dublin was last month recorded at the highest level since official counting began in 2007.
The Dublin Region Homeless Executive said some 168 people were found sleeping on the city’s streets on the night of November 11th when the official 2014 ‘winter rough sleeper count’ was conducted."

It must make you feel guilty, that while some people are homeless, you're trying to weasel out of paying your taxes and charges.

Cantona's Collars · 01-12-2014 2:31pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Pay your water charges and there will be more state funds for elsewhere.

.

Lol.Are you one of those people who gave out their bank details in the belief you won a foreign lotto?

Naive to the extreme.

Larbre34 · 01-12-2014 2:32pm

Barely There wrote: »

It must make you feel guilty, that while some people are homeless, you're trying to weasel out of paying your taxes and charges.

Ah he's back, the mushroom. The Government keep feeding him shyte and he just turns into an ever bigger fungus.

Streetwalker · 01-12-2014 2:38pm

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

If only to deal with the likes of you, privatisation of water utility would be a good thing.

As regards your debating skills? You need to improve.
You fail to debate any issue properly, resorting to failed rhetoric and poor arguments (all typical of those swallowing the Shinners propaganda).

Those people currently availing of free water need to man up and pay their fair share. Are you a man or a sponger?

Any chance of a link to this "free water"....

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