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    #4592
    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Royal Tara wrote: »
    Its good to see we are tops in Europe for foreign aid, we look after the people of Africa not just by keeping them here but by sinding millions in foreign aid, and to Syria and several countries, What about "charity begins at home". What point are we trying to prove by giving more than other european countries. Why not just give our fair share and look after those at home on the streets etc. We are building homes for other nations while we have hundreds of homeless people here in need of shelter. I am probably going to be slammed for this but it is what a lot of people are saying and thinking. Yesterdays google news was full of how generous the Irish are with their foreign aid and how we keep on giving despite a recession and now that the recession is over (lol) we should go back to 2008 donations and increase our foreign aid. Anyone else have an imput on this one?

    What's wrong with helping people abroad who need help?

    We have spent billions on homeless people in Ireland in the last few years, it's not as if the govt are doing nothing.

    Why are African people less important than us??


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    #4593
    shinzon
    Registered Users Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭shinzon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    There is a solution offered by the Government. That is for everyone to pay for the water they use, freeing up tax payers money to improve other services required, eg houses for the homeless.

    except its not anymore, its a flat charge granted that can be and will be changed if its not nipped in the bud, but for now that pay for useage argument is dead in the water, and because its such a toxic issue the government of the day cannot implement what they want.

    But anyways come the 10th itll be a non issue as IW will be dead and buried so other solutions will have to be implemented

    Shin


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    #4594
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    What's wrong with helping people abroad who need help?

    We have spent billions on homeless people in Ireland in the last few years, it's not as if the govt are doing nothing.

    Why are African people less important than us??

    Charity begins at home - when we have people being forced onto the streets or at risk of losing their homes thanks to spiralling rents and taxation (direct and otherwise), then that's where any cash we have left over should be going.

    Let's not forget too that the country is still running a deficit (as the Pro side remind us as well) so we're borrowing and paying interest on this money that we're giving away!


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    #4595
    gladrags
    Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    Unfortunately everyone is only out for themselves in these protests

    Your joking.

    Right?


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    #4596
    gladrags
    Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    On another thread we have people calling for houses to be built for 5000 families to live in.

    This costs money which the public has to be prepared to help give. Its just an endless cycle unless we get this money from somewhere.

    Yes we may have paid for water through taxes, we now need that money to be spent on other areas such as homelessness etc.

    But nobody wants to do anything to help, only give out.

    No one has any solutions.

    The first solution is to stop the cronyism and corruption that has blighted this country...

    What does the fact that rental accommodation is non existent,and not affordable,even if,tell you?

    And that house prices,are spiralling?

    And that Noonan,who should be insuring that there is not another crash...

    Is trying to stop Honahan from introducing preventive measures, preventing another crash in the future?

    Kenny either did not see this coming,or he did,and ignored the now obvious consequenes.

    We need,as a first premise to a solution,a new form of consensus government.


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    #4597
    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Charity begins at home - when we have people being forced onto the streets or at risk of losing their homes thanks to spiralling rents and taxation (direct and otherwise), then that's where any cash we have left over should be going.

    Let's not forget too that the country is still running a deficit (as the Pro side remind us as well) so we're borrowing and paying interest on this money that we're giving away!

    Just seems it's the foreigners who are getting dragged into this whole issue, when it has nothing to do with foreign aid.


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    #4598
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    Just seems it's the foreigners who are getting dragged into this whole issue, when it has nothing to do with foreign aid.

    What?
    You don't think the fact that we borrow €600 million per annum to hand over to other countries is an issue?


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    #4599
    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    What?
    You don't think the fact that we borrow €600 million per annum to hand over to other countries is an issue?

    You think if we didn't send foreign aid we would solve the homeless problem?


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    #4600
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    You think if we didn't send foreign aid we would solve the homeless problem?

    I think it'd be a very good start myself. Sort out our own social problems before we try to fix everyone else's

    The world has been pumping money into Africa for decades and it's still a mess - but then that suits the interests of certain nations and multinationals who are making a fortune strip mining the place for peanuts.


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    #4601
    ROCKMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭ROCKMAN


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    You think if we didn't send foreign aid we would solve the homeless problem?

    Figures for 2013 show 600 million.A small percentage of that would help solve what needs to be done immediately. But yes lets spend millions providing shelters and stopping people sleeping rough all over the world but cut the **** out of any funding for our home grown problems.


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    #4602
    [Deleted User]
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    Who, exactly, cannot afford €160 per year? €3 per week?
    How are those people currently paying for other essentials, like heat, light, clothing, food?
    Are you saying these people are not spending €3 per week on something than is superfluous to their needs?


    Its amazes me to see how out of touch some people here are with real hardship.:(

    It just shows what a split level society we have in Ireland :(


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    #4603
    [Deleted User]
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    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    You are joking?

    If things are that tight then you cannot afford to have a dog.

    Your story is exactly proving my point. You have elected for a luxury over an essential.

    a dog is a luxury??


    maybe its essential company for someone living alone..... the difference between despair and depression and being able to get up out of bed every day. Maybe the dog is the only person some people talk to all day.

    If he had the dog before times got hard was he meant to kill the dog or dump him on the side of the road when he became less well off? For the dog pounds and rescue centres that are at bursting point because nobody takes responsibility?

    I'm assuming your comment was a joke? If not it smacks of complete ignorance of what living alone is like and what a difference a dog can make to someone's mental health.


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    #4604
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Its amazes me to see how out of touch some people here are with real hardship.:(

    It just shows what a split level society we have in Ireland :(

    How many of those protesting cannot afford €3 per week for household water supply? We have some of the most generous Social Welfare payments in Europe, you know?

    People have to cut their cloth to suit their measure. €3 per week is a pittance and well within the reach of all but a small minority.

    Look at the Shinners, for example, They're trying to make something about the Social injustice of the Water Charges yet they protect rapists, pedophiles, murderers and thieves. Today's charade in Dail Eireann, yet another pathetic attempt for Mary Lou to pretend she's a serious politician.


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    #4605
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Its amazes me to see how out of touch some people here are with real hardship.:(

    It just shows what a split level society we have in Ireland :(

    I'd go further than that - it's not that people don't know/realise.. it's that they don't give a shyte as long as they're alright - unless of course they think that someone else is getting/getting away with something that they're not.. THEN they care!

    Me fein-ism as it's worst!


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    #4606
    Satriale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Satriale


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Its amazes me to see how out of touch some people here are with real hardship.:(

    It just shows what a split level society we have in Ireland :(

    I'm only surprised one of them hasn't pointed out that people can live on less food if they stop wasting calories walking and moving around and such.

    I think one of them has already mentioned that you can do without heating if you wear more clothes.


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    #4607
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    ......

    Me fein-ism as it's worst!

    Surely that's expecting everyone else to pay for your water supply? Pay your way.


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    #4608
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    How many of those protesting cannot afford €3 per week for household water supply? We have some of the most generous Social Welfare payments in Europe, you know?

    People have to cut their cloth to suit their measure. €3 per week is a pittance and well within the reach of all but a small minority.

    Look at the Shinners, for example, They're trying to make something about the Social injustice of the Water Charges yet they protect rapists, pedophiles, murderers and thieves. Today's charade in Dail Eireann, yet another pathetic attempt for Mary Lou to pretend she's a serious politician.

    Ah a deflection Enda himself would be proud of - how did we get from €3 a week for IW to SF/Mary Lou bashing in 3 paragraphs? :rolleyes:


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    #4609
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    Surely that's expecting everyone else to pay for your water supply? Pay your way.

    Read my response to that attitude on the previous page.


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    #4610
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    Satriale wrote: »
    ...........

    I think one of them has already mentioned that you can do without heating if you wear more clothes.

    That's only common sense. Why heat up a full house if it's only yourself to be heated?


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    #4611
    Chucken
    Registered Users Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    [QUOTE=Breffnigolfer;9329327

    Look at FG/FF for example, ........yet they protect rapists, pedophiles, murderers and thieves. [/QUOTE]
    .


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    #4612
    Satriale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Satriale


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    How many of those protesting cannot afford €3 per week for household water supply? We have some of the most generous Social Welfare payments in Europe, you know?

    People have to cut their cloth to suit their measure. €3 per week is a pittance and well within the reach of all but a small minority.

    Look at the Shinners, for example, They're trying to make something about the Social injustice of the Water Charges yet they protect rapists, pedophiles, murderers and thieves. Today's charade in Dail Eireann, yet another pathetic attempt for Mary Lou to pretend she's a serious politician.

    When the going gets tough, randomly deflect to the shinners. fianna gael 101

    edit
    damn you kaiser!!!!


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    #4613
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Read my response to that attitude on the previous page.

    A fairly pathetic response, it was.
    There are approx 600,000 people not connected to Public Water. It is not fair that their taxes are used to subside those connected to Public Water.


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    #4614
    Satriale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Satriale


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    That's only common sense. Why heat up a full house if it's only yourself to be heated?

    who said it was only yourself?


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    #4615
    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    ROCKMAN wrote: »
    Figures for 2013 show 600 million.A small percentage of that would help solve what needs to be done immediately. But yes lets spend millions providing shelters and stopping people sleeping rough all over the world but cut the **** out of any funding for our home grown problems.

    So what's your opinion on the refugees and immigrants living in buildings that's costing millions at the moment??

    Should we put them on the next plane, and just look after the homeless Irish people?


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    #4616
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    A fairly pathetic response, it was.
    There are approx 600,000 people not connected to Public Water. It is not fair that their taxes are used to subside those connected to Public Water.

    Oh right.. so instead we should have "everyone else" pay for the lifestyle choices of those who want to live in the middle of nowhere is it?

    Move to a town or city and you'll have no need for a well of your own. Problem solved!


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    #4617
    ROCKMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭ROCKMAN


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    Surely that's expecting everyone else to pay for your water supply? Pay your way.

    So tell me Breffnigolfer ,

    Do you avail of any of the many Grants or Subsidies available to the 600,000 ,or Do you just man up and pay our own way???


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    #4618
    ROCKMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭ROCKMAN


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    So what's your opinion on the refugees and immigrants living in buildings that's costing millions at the moment??

    Should we put them on the next plane, and just look after the homeless Irish people?

    No but speeding up the process and cutting some of the red tape would help,
    As for just looking after the Irish Homeless ,sorting this out first with our own monies would be a good start.


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    #4619
    Satriale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Satriale


    ROCKMAN wrote: »
    So tell me Breffnigolfer ,

    Do you avail of any of the many Grants or Subsidies available to the 600,000 ,or Do you just man up and pay our own way???


    Leave him alone Rockman, that stretch of road outside his house cost him E435,000!!!


    Just in case anybody thinks that all people who supply their own water are begrudging, we aren't.
    Most of us appreciate that we benefit from urban dwellers tax contributions to roads and services in rural areas.


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    #4620
    podgemonster
    Registered Users Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭podgemonster


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Oh right.. so instead we should have "everyone else" pay for the lifestyle choices of those who want to live in the middle of nowhere is it?

    Move to a town or city and you'll have no need for a well of your own. Problem solved!

    Very hard to find a town or city with a property that will house my 60 cattle and 3 donkeys.


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    #4621
    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    ROCKMAN wrote: »
    No but speeding up the process and cutting some of the red tape would help,
    As for just looking after the Irish Homeless ,sorting this out first with our own monies would be a good start.

    So it's ok to spend money on foreign people once they come to Ireland with nowhere to go, but if there abroad then screw them.

    Using your logic we should throw out all foreign people taking up jobs that Irish people could be doing, seems we should be "looking after pur own"

    You're borderline been racist but you can't see this.


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