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IW/Anything Water Related-Warning in OP

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    #4652
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    You're in Dreamland if you believe this to be the case.
    not at all. many a lobbying got services.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #4653
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    end of the road wrote: »
    looks like many can't. even with no luxuries at all

    .........

    No evidence has been produced by any of the protesters to back this up.
    end of the road wrote: »
    l........ i suppose you believe they should stop paying the mortgage as well just to pay for the pentian of your friend the former leader of sligo county council?
    ...........

    That's a stupid point. What are you trying to say?

    end of the road wrote: »
    .......
    clearly its not within the reach of a large minority.
    ...........

    It's far from clear.
    end of the road wrote: »
    l
    ...............
    what rapists, murderers and thieves.

    Now you're just being facetious.


    The protests are, seemingly, comprised of many different objectors examples of which are

    1. Those claiming inability to pay
    2. Those claiming it's a civil right to be provided with free water
    3. Those claiming it's a civil right to be provided with free, unlimited supply of water
    4. Something about Bankers, bond-holders etc (the protesters don't seem to know themselves)
    5. Rabble rousers, just spoiling for a fight
    6. Agitators, rising those who know no better


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    #4654
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    end of the road wrote: »
    i all ready pay it. you seem to think paying everything the government tells you is paying ones "fair share"

    You are not paying your fair share.


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    #4655
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    podgemonster wrote: »
    Because he uses the road, the water softener and the sewage disposal so he pays for them.
    He doesn't use the public water supply
    but he pays what he's told when he's told and expects everyone else to do the same even if they can't afford to do so. so the same has to apply to him

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #4656
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    How many of those protesting cannot afford €3 per week for household water supply? We have some of the most generous Social Welfare payments in Europe, you know?

    People have to cut their cloth to suit their measure. €3 per week is a pittance and well within the reach of all but a small minority.

    Look at the Shinners, for example, They're trying to make something about the Social injustice of the Water Charges yet they protect rapists, pedophiles, murderers and thieves. Today's charade in Dail Eireann, yet another pathetic attempt for Mary Lou to pretend she's a serious politician.

    Whatabout that then, eh?

    God forbid the activities of alleged tax evading FFGer's would be addressed.


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    #4657
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    You are not paying your fair share.
    yes i am paying my fair share. if my fair share is to pay every little gambling debt tax the government decides i should pay, well no thanks i won't be paying.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #4658
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    end of the road wrote: »
    yes i am paying my fair share. if my fair share is to pay every little gambling debt tax the government decides i should pay, well no thanks i won't be paying.

    You are not paying your fair share.

    Do you believe the supply should be metered?


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    #4659
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    You are not paying your fair share.

    yes i am. as you won't be able to prove otherwise, then thats the end of it. what i say goes

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #4660
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    You are not paying your fair share.

    Do you believe the supply should be metered?

    Why bother spending nearly a billion on meters when a flat rate is going to apply?

    Denis must be so proud of FG.


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    #4661
    podgemonster
    Registered Users Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭podgemonster


    end of the road wrote: »
    but he pays what he's told when he's told and expects everyone else to do the same even if they can't afford to do so. so the same has to apply to him

    He pays what he's told for services he uses, everyone should. If you stand in McDonalds and ask for a Big Mac, expect to pay for it.
    He drives on public roads, so he pays motor tax like the rest of us who want to drive on the road.

    He doesn't use public water, why should he pay?


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    #4662
    arse..biscuits
    Registered Users Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭arse..biscuits


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    You are joking?

    If things are that tight then you cannot afford to have a dog.

    Your story is exactly proving my point. You have elected for a luxury over an essential.

    This has to be the worst post I have ever read on boards, and that's saying something. The man has a dog and had to pick between dog food and coal today. Your response is that he shouldn't have a dog?
    What about clothes, surely he could wear rags and hand over any savings to the government. What about a cup of tea, surely he could drink water out of a puddle instead.
    When you hear that a fellow country man is struggling like that and your first though is that he shouldn't have a dog (a dog he probably loves like a best friend), you are seriously lacking in empathy. Not only that, but why don't you instead question the system which is forcing so many of us into daily battles between the likes of dog food and coal.


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    #4663
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    arse..biscuits wrote: »
    This has to be the worst post I have ever read on boards, and that's saying something. The man has a dog and had to pick between dog food and coal today. Your response is that he shouldn't have a dog?
    What about clothes, surely he could wear rags and hand over any savings to the government. What about a cup of tea, surely he could drink water out of a puddle instead.
    When you hear that a fellow country man is struggling like that and your first though is that he shouldn't have a dog (a dog he probably loves like a best friend), you are seriously lacking in empathy. Not only that, but why don't you instead question the system which is forcing so many of us into daily battles between the likes of dog food and coal.

    There seems to be a kind of robotic trait with our resident pro water tax lads.
    Money and making the figures work is the only thing that matters with them.
    'You can't afford a water tax, sell your dog'.
    What next? it'll be like that ad on the tv where the parents tell the kids that they can't afford to keep one of them and she has to go......

    There's more to life than money, folks.....way more....


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    #4664
    keithclancy
    Registered Users Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    There seems to be a kind of robotic trait with our resident pro water tax lads.
    Money and making the figures work is the only thing that matters with them.
    'You can't afford a water tax, sell your dog'.
    What next? it'll be like that ad on the tv where the parents tell the kids that they can't afford to keep one of them and she has to go......

    There's more to life than money, folks.....way more....

    In fairness its difficult for people that don't have a dog to understand that.

    I have a dog .. I think i'd lose weight and go cold before I'd see the dog badly off :pac:


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    #4665
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    I thought the protesters were against meters?

    I'm really confused


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    #4666
    shinzon
    Registered Users Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭shinzon


    what gets me about this country is we seem to be able to find the money when we want to case in point all the foreign aid etc etc etc and don't get me wrong they deserve it but at the same time were supposed to be broke yet magically when money is needed its there no questions asked

    Yet for water we need to setup a quango pay failed and retired city managers bloated salaries and anyone else whose a mate of a mate gets co opted into IW. Boggles the mind

    Shin


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    #4667
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    naughtb4 wrote: »

    I'm really confused

    You're not the only one.

    It seems that FG cronies and the companies they bought off NAMA with debts written off, that we as taxpayers are paying, have been awarded massive contracts to install water meters, yet everyone is being charged the one flat rate for their water supply.

    I can see how you would be confused by this ok.


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    #4668
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    zerks wrote: »
    It's very odd that LA's pay IW nearly half a billion yet IW are subcontracting the fixing of leaks back to those self same LA's,a game of pass the parcel with a very large wad of money.

    LA didn't give this money to IW. The deptartment gave IW the money instead of giving it to the LA.


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    #4669
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    LA didn't give this money to IW. The deptartment gave IW the money instead of giving it to the LA.

    I see.
    And then IW 'hire' the LA's to do the work?
    Some scam ok.


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    #4670
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    You're not the only one.

    It seems that FG cronies and the companies they bought off NAMA with debts written off, that we as taxpayers are paying, have been awarded massive contracts to install water meters, yet everyone is being charged the one flat rate for their water supply.

    I can see how you would be confused by this ok.

    It was the best thing coming out of this debacle, per use charges are the fairest way of paying for anything.

    The u-turn really pleased noone


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    #4671
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    naughtb4 wrote: »
    It was the best thing coming out of this debacle, per use charges are the fairest way of paying for anything.

    I've never used our welfare system.
    Can I have the portion of my taxes that go towards that back then?


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    #4672
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    I've never used our welfare system.
    Can I have the portion of my taxes that go towards that back then?

    Maybe not everything....
    But utilities like water, electricity, gas etc the more you use the more you pay, it's standard practice in most countries


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    #4673
    shinzon
    Registered Users Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭shinzon


    naughtb4 wrote: »
    It was the best thing coming out of this debacle, per use charges are the fairest way of paying for anything.

    The u-turn really pleased noone

    Except those that protested and won the U-turn in the first place, per useage will never come in now due to the protestors its to toxic an issue and will never be allowed by the majority.

    I wonder would you have thought it was fair in 2 or 3 years under the old regime of per useage when prices would have been ramped upto unsustainable levels which was the ultimate goal. Fleece the people yet again, you should be down on your knees thanking the protestors for nipping it in the bud and im not joking about that

    Shin


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    #4674
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    shinzon wrote: »
    Except those that protested and won the U-turn in the first place, per useage will never come in now due to the protestors its to toxic an issue and will never be allowed by the majority.

    I wonder would you have thought it was fair in 2 or 3 years under the old regime of per useage when prices would have been ramped upto unsustainable levels which was the ultimate goal. Fleece the people yet again, you should be down on your knees thanking the protestors for nipping it in the bud and im not joking about that

    Shin
    Can't the flat charge not just go up?

    Can


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    #4675
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    naughtb4 wrote: »
    Maybe not everything....
    But utilities like water, electricity, gas etc the more you use the more you pay, it's standard practice in most countries

    Most countries don't have a USC.


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    #4676
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    Most countries don't have a USC.

    So your argument is get rid of some of the USC and bring in per use water charges?

    There was a poll on the old thread, pretty sure the majority were for a per use charge


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    #4677
    shinzon
    Registered Users Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭shinzon


    naughtb4 wrote: »
    Can't the flat charge not just go up?

    Can

    If IW survives which it wont yup it can, the 10th of December will show the government just how much people think of the there reforms, they'll have nowhere to go except to the polls and whatever government comes in next wouldn't be so stupid as to try the same trick with water twice

    Shin


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    #4678
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    naughtb4 wrote: »
    So your argument is get rid of some of the USC and bring in per use water charges?

    There was a poll on the old thread, pretty sure the majority were for a per use charge

    You were comparing us to other countries.
    I was pointing out how other countries don't have the same taxation system as we do.
    I believe that the one thing our country can supply us with from general taxation, be you a millionaire or a pauper, is water.


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    #4679
    [Deleted User]
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    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    I've never used our welfare system.
    Can I have the portion of my taxes that go towards that back then?

    So you won't be drawing down your state pension then?


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    #4680
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So you won't be drawing down your state pension then?

    No matter.
    Enda kenny has one or two to spare if you are stuck I hear..........


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    #4681
    denhaagenite
    Registered Users Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭denhaagenite


    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    You were comparing us to other countries.
    I was pointing out how other countries don't have the same taxation system as we do.

    Yes, that's true, their income tax is much much higher.
    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    I believe that the one thing our country can supply us with from general taxation, be you a millionaire or a pauper, is water.

    What kind of water and for how long? It's funny that countries with much higher "general taxation" can't seem to do this.


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