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    #4742
    hju6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭hju6


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    What a ridiculous and deliberate misinterpretation of what I posted.

    No water bill has to be paid until next April. If the man is under such financial hardship now he cannot afford to have a dog. It's clear. His choice to have a pet makes his argument hollow, as it would if any other extravagance would be.

    He cannot afford to have a pet. He has a moral duty to pay for his water supply.

    If it's just him on his own, then his water bill will actually be €60, just over €1 per week. It's a pittance and a small contribution for what he uses. (Far too small, IMO)

    A man has a right to have a dog as a companion, the dog may keep him warm at night when he cannot afford to put the heating on.

    Also the dog may help with his sanity which is a lot less expensive than mental health care.

    The same analogy could be applied to people who avail of third level education which is subsidised by the tax payer, these priveledged people use tax payers money for education, a gateway to high paid jobs, then complain about others paying their "fair share " to society.


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    #4743
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,279 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    keithclancy wrote: »
    I take offence to your thinly veiled "Why don't you f*ck off back to where you came from" comment

    Truely never thought I would get that from another Irish Person, pretty surprised to be honest.

    You can spare me your faux outrage too.


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    #4744
    keithclancy
    Registered Users Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Tony EH wrote: »
    You can spare me your faux outrage too.

    So not only do you tell people what they meant, you also tell them how they feel.

    You should join PVV in the Netherlands.

    You would get on well there.

    But I would recommend you to reign in that sentiment, its not a joke, it actually happens sometimes that our opinion on a subject is instantly jumped on because we are seen as a stupid drunk stereotypical jig dancing paddy.

    Similarly being slung an insult such as "why am I even talking to you, sure your only here 6 months anyway" is a similar slant on the basis that the person is automatically stupid because they work abroad and are not in Ireland all the time.

    I'll be voting in the next elections anyway, I guess maybe you should also campaign for people who are not in Ireland all the time to lose the right to vote too.


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    #4745
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,279 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Get over yourself FFS.

    :pac:


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    #4746
    KERSPLAT!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    MOD

    Can ye both give it a rest. We've had cards and bans already, this thread is on thin ice.


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    #4747
    shinzon
    Registered Users Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭shinzon


    Latest polls out, as expected for a failing government and GE looming support has slumped to record lows

    Tick Tock Tick Tock

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fine-gael-and-labour-ratings-plunge-in-opinion-poll-1.2024942

    Shin


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    #4748
    shinzon
    Registered Users Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭shinzon


    KERSPLAT! wrote: »
    MOD

    Can ye both give it a rest. We've had cards and bans already, this thread is on thin ice.

    I know that's serious I just found it amusing you used a water based reference :)

    Shin


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    #4749
    Streetwalker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    shinzon wrote: »
    Latest polls out, as expected for a failing government and GE looming support has slumped to record lows

    Tick Tock Tick Tock

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fine-gael-and-labour-ratings-plunge-in-opinion-poll-1.2024942

    Shin
    Amazing how out of touch the government are.


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    #4750
    gladrags
    Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    shinzon wrote: »
    Latest polls out, as expected for a failing government and GE looming support has slumped to record lows

    Tick Tock Tick Tock

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fine-gael-and-labour-ratings-plunge-in-opinion-poll-1.2024942

    Shin

    Amazing results,although only a poll.

    FG&L on 22% and dropping.

    Kenny's ratings rock bottom.

    It looks as if the reasonable people,were listening Enda.


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    #4751
    AboutaWeekAgo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭AboutaWeekAgo


    shinzon wrote: »
    Latest polls out, as expected for a failing government and GE looming support has slumped to record lows

    Tick Tock Tick Tock

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fine-gael-and-labour-ratings-plunge-in-opinion-poll-1.2024942

    Shin

    December 10th should be the final nail in the coffin. Not long now :)


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    #4752
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Streetwalker wrote: »
    Amazing how out of touch the government are.



    mmmmm..... a bit like some of the posters here who insist next week's protest is going to be a non-event (or even cancelled - Ha! Barely There)

    You cant argue with these last 3 polls on Government. You can't ignore figures and facts. You cant keep saying anti-water protestors are stupid, ignorant, uneducated people who never worked a day in their lives - here is the proof.

    People are sick and tired and have finally found their voice.;)


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    #4753
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    hju6 wrote: »
    A man has a right to have a dog as a companion, the dog may keep him warm at night when he cannot afford to put the heating on.

    Also the dog may help with his sanity which is a lot less expensive than mental health care.

    The same analogy could be applied to people who avail of third level education which is subsidised by the tax payer, these priveledged people use tax payers money for education, a gateway to high paid jobs, then complain about others paying their "fair share " to society.

    Nobody's denying anyone's right to have a dog. I'm simply pointing out the man, if his story is true, cannot afford to have a dog. Should his dog be paid for by the State?

    I don't see what point you're trying to make re Education. I don't see the protesters demanding free third level education for anyone either.


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    #4754
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    Deleted User wrote: »
    mmmmm..... a bit like some of the posters here who insist next week's protest is going to be a non-event (or even cancelled - Ha! Barely There)

    You cant argue with these last 3 polls on Government. You can't ignore figures and facts. You cant keep saying anti-water protestors are stupid, ignorant, uneducated people who never worked a day in their lives - here is the proof.

    People are sick and tired and have finally found their voice.;)

    What alternative Govt do you propose?
    What policies do you want it to implement?


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    #4755
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,279 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    shinzon wrote: »
    Latest polls out, as expected for a failing government and GE looming support has slumped to record lows

    Tick Tock Tick Tock

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fine-gael-and-labour-ratings-plunge-in-opinion-poll-1.2024942

    Shin


    Lowest support for FG for 10 years!

    They've scored a spectacular OG with Irish Water. They really have.


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    #4756
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    (Posted this in Politics Café but relevant here too..)

    And in more good news for FG...
    Finance Minister Michael Noonan is facing criticism after he admitted that junior Anglo bondholders may be handed a €280m payout.

    Michael Noonan has been accused of a u-turn after admitting the payments could go ahead - despite previously insisting they were unlikely.

    The payout comes just as the water charges are imposed.

    Yep, that'll help their case alright!


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    #4757
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    shinzon wrote: »
    Latest polls out, as expected for a failing government and GE looming support has slumped to record lows

    Tick Tock Tick Tock

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/fine-gael-and-labour-ratings-plunge-in-opinion-poll-1.2024942

    Shin

    Nice to see the public can no longer be bought off with hundred euro bribes, and to be pitted against each other in an "us and them" / "divide and conquer" strategy.

    I'm reading reports of "BIG CROWDS" expected for Wed, and my diary is cleared completely for wed/thurs.

    Who is up for an unofficial AH, anti water charges beers after the protests????


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    #4758
    ROCKMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭ROCKMAN


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    (Posted this in Politics Café but relevant here too..)

    And in more good news for FG...



    Yep, that'll help their case alright!

    I honestly thought that leaving such a big space between the main protests/ marches was a big mistake for a lot of different reasons.

    However FG/Lab have sure helped the cause ,This break between marches has been filled week after week with one mess up after another ,
    Keep it up lads ,ye are starting to make it easy.
    Roll on the 10th...


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    #4759
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    ROCKMAN wrote: »
    I honestly thought that leaving such a big space between the main protests/ marches was a big mistake for a lot of different reasons.

    However FG/Lab have sure helped the cause ,This break between marches has been filled week after week with one mess up after another ,
    Keep it up lads ,ye are starting to make it easy.
    Roll on the 10th...

    It's going to be very difficult for the protesters to keep up their efforts. The lack of a single cause won't help them either (some want free everything, some don't want meters, some are protesting about bond-holders, bankers, etc...)

    The Govt is under no immediate pressure to call an election. Why would they do it now? The water bills will arrive in April, some people will pay, others will not and there might be some protests again. It'll only be when their credit ratings are affected they'll see the full cost of refusing to pay.

    I'd guess at a General Election in late 2015. The economy will be the big determining factor and people will be able to look and see if they are better off with the Govt that steered the Country out of bankruptcy or an alternative from the FF/SF the parties who have to prove they can do Economics. (FF have failed and SF don't do Economics well)


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    #4760
    DamagedTrax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    It'll only be when their credit ratings are affected they'll see the full cost of refusing to pay.

    i dont think there's too many people caring about credit ratings right now.


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    #4761
    gladrags
    Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    What alternative Govt do you propose?
    What policies do you want it to implement?

    Number one priority,build affordable houses,NOT controlled by crooked banks and estate agents.

    Build them now.


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    #4762
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    gladrags wrote: »
    Number one priority,build affordable houses,NOT controlled by crooked banks and estate agents.

    Build them now.

    Who is supposed to build these houses?

    Is this Socialism you are advocating?

    Who do you want to see in Government? Do you expect them to be able to continue to borrow 30% (ish) of what it costs to run the Country?


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    #4763
    ROCKMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭ROCKMAN


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    It's going to be very difficult for the protesters to keep up their efforts. The lack of a single cause won't help them either (some want free everything, some don't want meters, some are protesting about bond-holders, bankers, etc...)

    The Govt is under no immediate pressure to call an election. Why would they do it now? The water bills will arrive in April, some people will pay, others will not and there might be some protests again. It'll only be when their credit ratings are affected they'll see the full cost of refusing to pay.

    I'd guess at a General Election in late 2015. The economy will be the big determining factor and people will be able to look and see if they are better off with the Govt that steered the Country out of bankruptcy or an alternative from the FF/SF the parties who have to prove they can do Economics. (FF have failed and SF don't do Economics well)


    Maybe but letting time pass is not going to guarantee a change of heart by the people ,just ask the last government weren't they still in power for 2/3 years after they ****ed up and it didn't soften the people views on them , OK you can argue that there is a big difference between both governments but it still doesn't change my point that the people of Ireland seem to be developing a long and unforgiving memory .Also don't remember 250 ,000 people taking to the streets in 2 marches when the last lot where still in power.

    You say that the lack of a single cause will harm the protests but I honestly think it will help ,The protests are uniting people from all walks of life and different backgrounds with many views and opinions under/behind the same banner . So as time goes by I honestly see the numbers grow.


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    #4764
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    ROCKMAN wrote: »
    Maybe but letting time pass is not going to guarantee a change of heart by the people ,just ask the last government weren't they still in power for 2/3 years after they ****ed up ..

    No. The Troika were in power, we were in the depts of depression, the austerity budget was in force and it was the start of hard times.

    I've asked multiple times and not one person has proposed a workable alternative Government.


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    #4765
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,279 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    I've asked multiple times and not one person has proposed a workable alternative Government.

    Because it's a stupid question.


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    #4766
    EazyD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭EazyD


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    It's going to be very difficult for the protesters to keep up their efforts. The lack of a single cause won't help them either (some want free everything, some don't want meters, some are protesting about bond-holders, bankers, etc...)

    The Govt is under no immediate pressure to call an election. Why would they do it now? The water bills will arrive in April, some people will pay, others will not and there might be some protests again. It'll only be when their credit ratings are affected they'll see the full cost of refusing to pay.

    I'd guess at a General Election in late 2015. The economy will be the big determining factor and people will be able to look and see if they are better off with the Govt that steered the Country out of bankruptcy or an alternative from the FF/SF the parties who have to prove they can do Economics. (FF have failed and SF don't do Economics well)

    Of course they are in no hurry to do so as it's quite obvious they would be obliterated in the polls. The FG government have been led by the hand by the ECB and IMF and as such stating that they have "steered the country of of bankruptcy" is undoubtedly being a bit generous.


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    #4767
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    No. The Troika were in power, we were in the depts of depression, the austerity budget was in force and it was the start of hard times.

    I've asked multiple times and not one person has proposed a workable alternative Government.

    Well clearly enough people feel this morning that SF and Independents can't do any worse than the "traditional" parties. It's hard to argue with them considering the mess both FF and FG (and their coalition partners) have made of the last 10-15 years.

    Your argument seems to boil down to "let's keep FG in.. just cause.. FF, SF ..and stuff"

    FG are just as bad as FF. Civil War nonsense aside they're 2 sides of the same coin. FG have proven that this term in government AND during the "Good Times" when they were cheerleading the spend spend spend policies of FF from the opposition benches.

    The only reason we haven't seen more of the incompetence, corruption and cronyism till now is because they only get elected when the public decides FF needs a spanking.. and then only for one term (as will be the case yet again this time around if the latest numbers are anything to go by)


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    #4768
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    Tony EH wrote: »
    Because it's a stupid question.

    It's not a stupid question. So many of the negative posts here are calling for the current Govt to be turfed out yet not one of them has posted an alternative. That shows a distinct lack of intelligence.

    It's easy to be negative, it's much more difficult to offer a positive suggestion.Now, how about you propose what should the new Govt be composed of and how would they improve our lot?


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    #4769
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Breffnigolfer wrote: »
    It's going to be very difficult for the protesters to keep up their efforts. The lack of a single cause won't help them either (some want free everything, some don't want meters, some are protesting about bond-holders, bankers, etc...)

    The Govt is under no immediate pressure to call an election. Why would they do it now? The water bills will arrive in April, some people will pay, others will not and there might be some protests again. It'll only be when their credit ratings are affected they'll see the full cost of refusing to pay.

    I'd guess at a General Election in late 2015. The economy will be the big determining factor and people will be able to look and see if they are better off with the Govt that steered the Country out of bankruptcy or an alternative from the FF/SF the parties who have to prove they can do Economics. (FF have failed and SF don't do Economics well)


    On the contrary.


    Not engaging with, nor paying a bill to Irish Water is much easier than protesting.


    It literally takes zero effort/energy to do.


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    #4770
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Banjo String wrote: »
    On the contrary.


    Not engaging with, nor paying a bill to Irish Water is much easier than protesting.


    It literally takes zero effort/energy to do.

    In addition to that, the protesters can pretty much sit back anyway as true to form, FG/LAB couldn't lead a piss-up in a brewery without making a mess of it as this latest poll shows.

    FG/LAB are doing all of the work for them!


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    #4771
    Breffnigolfer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Well clearly enough people feel this morning that SF and Independents can't do any worse than the "traditional" parties. It's hard to argue with them considering the mess both FF and FG (and their coalition partners) have made of the last 10-15 years.

    Your argument seems to boil down to "let's keep FG in.. just cause.. FF, SF ..and stuff"

    FG are just as bad as FF. Civil War nonsense aside they're 2 sides of the same coin. FG have proven that this term in government AND during the "Good Times" when they were cheerleading the spend spend spend policies of FF from the opposition benches.

    The only reason we haven't seen more of the incompetence, corruption and cronyism till now is because they only get elected when the public decides FF needs a spanking.. and then only for one term (as will be the case yet again this time around if the latest numbers are anything to go by)

    For a start, Independents cannot be part of a new Govt. Govts will only work if there are united parties in place.

    Sinn Fein cannot do Economics. They have proved, in N Ireland, they are incompetent.

    FF bankrupted our Country.

    FG and Labour have steered our Country through the most difficult time in our history.


    Your negativity is typical of the lashing being dished out to our Govt. What Govt do you propose we should have?


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