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keithclancy

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

Who is supposed to build these houses?

Is this Socialism you are advocating?

Who do you want to see in Government? Do you expect them to be able to continue to borrow 30% (ish) of what it costs to run the Country?

Nothing wrong with having Socialist Programs while remaining a Capitalist Country.

Quite common in other countries, pure capitalism and you end up like the United States.

ROCKMAN

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

No. The Troika were in power, we were in the depts of depression, the austerity budget was in force and it was the start of hard times.

I've asked multiple times and not one person has proposed a workable alternative Government.

Yourself and the other pro siders like to argue that we don't have a crystal ball and that no one can prove that Water bills will rise in the future or that IW will be privatise in the future ,
So surely the same argument can be used to say that there is no way of proving that an alternative government will not work in the future.

The only way we can know for sure ,is to give it a chance.

Cantona's Collars

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

For a start, Independents cannot be part of a new Govt. Govts will only work if there are united parties in place.

Sinn Fein cannot do Economics. They have proved, in N Ireland, they are incompetent.

FF bankrupted our Country.

FG and Labour The Troika have steered our Country through the most difficult time in our history.


Your negativity is typical of the lashing being dished out to our Govt. What Govt do you propose we should have?

FYP.

_Kaiser_

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

For a start, Independents cannot be part of a new Govt. Govts will only work if there are united parties in place.

They can't eh? Feck.. you better go tell them all not to bother so! Incidentially by "united parties" do you mean TD's that are cut off at the ankles by the Whip system and Enda's Economic Management Council?

Sinn Fein cannot do Economics. They have proved, in N Ireland, they are incompetent.

And yet FF and FG have done sooo much better, right?

FF bankrupted our Country.

Enda, is that you? Seriously it's been 3 years man. Let it go! Besides, you and your party wanted FF to spend MORE in the Good Times remember!

FG and Labour have steered our Country through the most difficult time in our history.

Complete shyte! FG/LAB got elected, immediately rowed back on the mandate they were voted in on, and continued exactly the same policies of their predecessors while Enda became best mates with Merkel and Sarkozy.

The much vaunted "recovery" has been built on a property bubble in Dublin and investment of private enterprise taking advantage of policies that were in place long before the current government.. nothing AT ALL to do with FG/LAB

All FG/LAB have done is sit back and pray while enriching themselves and their wealthy friends and relatives. IW is merely the latest example of this

Your negativity is typical of the lashing being dished out to our Govt. What Govt do you propose we should have?

Negativity? I think your problem (like Enda's) is that no-one here is believing the spin anymore.

Tony EH

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

It's not a stupid question. So many of the negative posts here are calling for the current Govt to be turfed out yet not one of them has posted an alternative. That shows a distinct lack of intelligence.

It's easy to be negative, it's much more difficult to offer a positive suggestion.Now, how about you propose what should the new Govt be composed of and how would they improve our lot?

Of course it's a stupid question. :rolleyes:

How are people supposed to answer that when they haven't got the manifestos of each party, or proposed policies? Such items generally only become available around election time.

However, what people DO know is that they are extremely dissatisfied with the current lot, because of policies that they ARE carrying out, which is why polls are indicating a severe drop for them.

gladrags

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

Who is supposed to build these houses?

The construction industry, they are good at it.

And while we are at it. the ghost estates should be redeveloped, as a matter of a national emergency, along with housing development.

shinzon

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

For a start, Independents cannot be part of a new Govt. Govts will only work if there are united parties in place.

Sinn Fein cannot do Economics. They have proved, in N Ireland, they are incompetent.

FF bankrupted our Country.

FG and Labour have steered our Country through the most difficult time in our history.


Your negativity is typical of the lashing being dished out to our Govt. What Govt do you propose we should have?

This post shows just how afraid some people are of change, you keep asking for alternative governments like there is hundreds of choices when in actual fact theres only about 3 or 4

FF FG Labour Sinn Fein and independents, that's the choices some combination of those are going to make up the next government, with FF and FG and labour selling the Irish people out then whose left, someone somewhere is going to have to swallow a very bitter pill and come round to the fact a coalition is coming where sinn feins involved no matter what the austerity parties will have to realise that and realise they can no longer govern through austerity and why do I say that well because there is no one else

And I cannot see anyone unless there incredibly stupid voting the same showers in again and again and expecting different results, the makeup of the next government is going to be very interesting indeed

Shin

Satriale

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

Nobody's denying anyone's right to have a dog. I'm simply pointing out the man, if his story is true, cannot afford to have a dog. Should his dog be paid for by the State?

I don't see what point you're trying to make re Education. I don't see the protesters demanding free third level education for anyone either.

Where does it feckin stop? A spare set of clothes, a haircut, tea bags?. its always a race to the bottom with you lads, sackcloth, ashes and the Third World.
A working man is entitled to some small luxury in life, and, i dont presume to know his status, but even if he is unfortunate enough to be unemployed he has probably paid plenty in tax during the boom and deserves some feckin' respect.

He didnt ruin this country, ye badly need to stop listening to the propaganda that's purposely dividing this island to protect the cnuts at the top.

keithclancy

ROCKMAN wrote: »

Yourself and the other pro siders like to argue that we don't have a crystal ball and that no one can prove that Water bills will rise in the future or that IW will be privatise in the future ,
So surely the same argument can be used to say that there is no way of proving that an alternative government will not work in the future.

The only way we can know for sure ,is to give it a chance.

I agree with you, there is no guarantee that a Semi-State body will be cheaper than a State body, but it is also the other way around too.

However, historically looking at Government Organisations such as the HSE or local Councils, they do not do the job very well.

The joke was always when the council was fixing the road, you would have a guy digging a hole and 5 supervisors watching him.

Thinking that overspends and problems are solved by making something into a Government Body is wishful thinking

Also money is allocated to Councils in a chunk of money, the Council has to allocate that money to all areas in it's budget, so it is not possible to guarantee that money is invested in the water infrastructure.

If for example the local council has a housing crisis and need to spend more money on local housing then water will always suffer.

Or worse, if the Council is on the verge of going bust, where do you think they would adjust the budget first ?
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/cwsnsneycwcw/rss2/

Breffnigolfer

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

They can't eh? ...........

Correct. They cannot.

Breffnigolfer

Tony EH wrote: »

Of course it's a stupid question. :rolleyes:

How are people supposed to answer that when they haven't got the manifestos of each party, or proposed policies? Such items generally only become available around election time.

.......

Why, then, are you calling for the current Govt to be sacked? Without an alternative lined up your call is ridiculous.

Individual Part manifestos are not worth the paper they're written on because we will end up with a Coalition where manifestos will be torn up.

You still need to propose an alternative. Something with Mick Wallace? Clare Daly? Mary Lou? God help us if the likes of these have any say in our future. Do you honestly expect the likes of them attract necessary Foreign Direct Investment? Do you think we can bear the tax rises that would inevitably follow if the likes of them try to fund their wish-lists?

shinzon

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

Nobody's denying anyone's right to have a dog. I'm simply pointing out the man, if his story is true, cannot afford to have a dog. Should his dog be paid for by the State?

I don't see what point you're trying to make re Education. I don't see the protesters demanding free third level education for anyone either.

Ive seen it all now, on the one hand your saying nobodies denying he can have a dog and the next thing your saying is should the state pay for it

In otherwords get rid of the dog and pay your charge I mean seriously get over yourself or stop posting here before you embarrass yourself any further

Shin

ROCKMAN

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

No. The Troika were in power, we were in the depts of depression, the austerity budget was in force and it was the start of hard times.

I've asked multiple times and not one person has proposed a workable alternative Government.

You asked this..

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Well clearly enough people feel this morning that SF and Independents can't do any worse than the "traditional" parties. It's hard to argue with them considering the mess both FF and FG (and their coalition partners) have made of the last 10-15 years.

Your argument seems to boil down to "let's keep FG in.. just cause.. FF, SF ..and stuff"

FG are just as bad as FF. Civil War nonsense aside they're 2 sides of the same coin. FG have proven that this term in government AND during the "Good Times" when they were cheerleading the spend spend spend policies of FF from the opposition benches.

The only reason we haven't seen more of the incompetence, corruption and cronyism till now is because they only get elected when the public decides FF needs a spanking.. and then only for one term (as will be the case yet again this time around if the latest numbers are anything to go by)

You get this answer

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

For a start, Independents cannot be part of a new Govt. Govts will only work if there are united parties in place.

Sinn Fein cannot do Economics. They have proved, in N Ireland, they are incompetent.

FF bankrupted our Country.

FG and Labour have steered our Country through the most difficult time in our history.


Your negativity is typical of the lashing being dished out to our Govt. What Govt do you propose we should have?

So you go with this..

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

They can't eh? Feck.. you better go tell them all not to bother so! Incidentially by "united parties" do you mean TD's that are cut off at the ankles by the Whip system and Enda's Economic Management Council?



And yet FF and FG have done sooo much better, right?



Enda, is that you? Seriously it's been 3 years man. Let it go! Besides, you and your party wanted FF to spend MORE in the Good Times remember!



Complete shyte! FG/LAB got elected, immediately rowed back on the mandate they were voted in on, and continued exactly the same policies of their predecessors while Enda became best mates with Merkel and Sarkozy.

The much vaunted "recovery" has been built on a property bubble in Dublin and investment of private enterprise taking advantage of policies that were in place long before the current government.. nothing AT ALL to do with FG/LAB

All FG/LAB have done is sit back and pray while enriching themselves and their wealthy friends and relatives. IW is merely the latest example of this



Negativity? I think your problem (like Enda's) is that no-one here is believing the spin anymore.

And get a well rounded answer in my opinion..

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

Correct. They cannot.

So snare remarks is all that's left interesting...

Tony EH

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

Why, then, are you calling for the current Govt to be sacked? Without an alternative lined up your call is ridiculous.

Conveniently, you missed this bit:

However, what people DO know is that they are extremely dissatisfied with the current lot, because of policies that they ARE carrying out, which is why polls are indicating a severe drop for them.

Which is why you fail, and fail hard.

Breffnigolfer

Tony EH wrote: »

.......

Which is why you fail, and fail hard.

I don't fail, in the slightest.

Why is it so difficult for the likes of you to propose an alternative?

The likes of you can only come up with negative posts, continuously knocking and providing nothing positive.

So, tell us all the Govt you know will work?

Tony EH

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

I don't fail, in the slightest.

Why is it so difficult for the likes of you to propose an alternative?

Because all the cards aren't on the table.

Quit clowning around.

ROCKMAN

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

I don't fail, in the slightest.

Why is it so difficult for the likes of you to propose an alternative?

The likes of you can only come up with negative posts, continuously knocking and providing nothing positive.

So, tell us all the Govt you know will work?

Again with the crystal ball ..

Tell me does that crystal ball tell you that the current lot are going to be the great success you predict if they get re-elected ??? now bare in mind that they will be on their own and will not have the Troika holding their hands...

Grandpa Hassan

Its one thing saying to a pollter that you're going to vote for Mick Wallace. A whole other thing actually putting the cross in the box

Chucken

Breffnigolfer wrote: »

It'll only be when their credit ratings are affected they'll see the full cost of refusing to pay.

Stop with your scare tactics, they don't work anymore.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1118/660329-water-bills-creditworthy/

shinzon

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

Its one thing saying to a pollter that you're going to vote for Mick Wallace. A whole other thing actually putting the cross in the box

And id ask the question why, fear of the unknown, or you just think he couldn't do the job, his tax evasion mebbe.

If a chance isn't taken just one time in the history of this state then were just going to have the same cronyistic corrupt politics of the past and the cycle will never be broken.

And id ask that question of any politician or party that hasn't been already in government

You vote the same ye get the same

Shin

Cantona's Collars

Death threats from the Pro Tax side now:

http://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-sinn-fein-councillor-death-threat-1814596-Dec2014/

A SINN FÉIN councillor has received an anonymous death threat warning him not to attend a public meeting about water charges.

Jonathan Graham, who represents the Clondalkin area in Dublin, received the phone call at around 4pm on Monday.

“The person said that it would be in the best interest of my life not to attend the meeting,” Graham told TheJournal.ie.

Tinkersbell

zerks wrote: »

Death threats from the Pro Tax side now:

http://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-sinn-fein-councillor-death-threat-1814596-Dec2014/

This will be dismissed out of hand by the pro water tax lads as a stunt.

AboutaWeekAgo

Tinkersbell wrote: »

This will be dismissed out of hand by the pro water tax lads as a stunt.

Very true. It's funny how they can change their tune when it suits their argument

keithclancy

zerks wrote: »

Death threats from the Pro Tax side now:

http://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-sinn-fein-councillor-death-threat-1814596-Dec2014/

Ehhh ... over the Parties problem with the Paedo cover up ?

Cantona's Collars

keithclancy wrote: »

Ehhh ... over the Parties problem with the Paedo cover up ?

Aaaand it starts,he said the caller said he was a murderer and a paedophile.The main thing was the threat to his life if he attended the anti water meeting but you conveniently missed that bit.

Grandpa Hassan

Tinkersbell wrote: »

This will be dismissed out of hand by the pro water tax lads as a stunt.

No it won't . Because that's what we do on the pro-water tax side. Throw around death threats

:rolleyes:

Satriale

i hope we can all finally agree that there's a few nutbags on every side of an argument and leave it at that.

MadYaker

Did the minister for the environment receive 4 death threats? There are crazy people on both sides, I don't see why people are trying to use it as an attempt to discredit those who disagree with them, it's a very weak form of arguement.

denhaagenite

MadYaker wrote: »

.......it's a very weak form of argument.

A lot of them have been. When people can't spell, have questionable grammar, resort to personal attacks or questioning "Irish- ness" during the debate, I am concerned about whether or not they have the intelligence to really inform themselves of and properly comprehend the situation and make a judgement on it. In my opinion, the anti side are for the majority guilty of this. Good communication is very important if you want your view to have an impact, point scoring should be the least of their worries.

hju6

denhaagenite wrote: »

A lot of them have been. When people can't spell, have questionable grammar, resort to personal attacks or questioning "Irish- ness" during the debate, I am concerned about whether or not they have the intelligence to really inform themselves of and properly comprehend the situation and make a judgement on it. In my opinion, the anti side are for the majority guilty of this. Good communication is very important if you want your view to have an impact, point scoring should be the least of their worries.

If you read back thru the thread you will realise the pro side are in the majority for snide remarks, one liners, roll eyes, personal attacks ( one pro sider banned recently ), deflections, name calling etc
Some of the pro posts are cringeworthy