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    #5162
    arse..biscuits
    Registered Users Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭arse..biscuits


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    And said I could be wrong, if someone proves I'm wrong I will hold my hand up.

    How exactly do you expect someone to prove you wrong? You made a claim, therefore the burden of proof lies with you, I'd love for you to prove your point. I won't hold my breath though because you're talking absolute nonsense.


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    #5163
    SaveOurLyric
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭SaveOurLyric


    Pocoyo wrote: »
    UK article on irelands 600,000 people living in food poverty.

    https://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/irelands-new-poor-and-food-bankds-320

    How can you expect these people to pay for water twice?

    You are answering a question that nobody is asking. There is no question of anybody paying for water twice. The question is just misleading scaremongering.


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    #5164
    Highflyer13
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Highflyer13


    SaveOurLyric wrote: »
    You are answering a question that nobody is asking. There is no question of anybody paying for water twice. The question is just misleading scaremongering.

    Read the article. What is your opinion on it?

    My opinion is that its a disgrace. We are slowly slipping away from being a first world country in terms of living standards. Why, because we have a government that puts thr needs of big business and the EU ahead of the welfare of its own people.

    Or are you deluded and in denial of our social problems or perhaps just plain ignorant of it like our Government?


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    #5165
    Alun
    Registered Users Posts: 21,464 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    Pocoyo wrote: »
    Even to tender for the contract requires, under both EU and Irish Law, a certificate of tax compliance. How could an entity that did not exist in law, get a tax clearance certificate?
    As has been pointed out many times before, it's perfectly normal for the lead member of a consortium to tender for these contracts, including EU ones, and then form the consortium company (if required, or advantageous, it isn't always) upon a successful outcome. It's be silly and costly to set up a company "just in case". I've personally been involved in a number of such tenders in the IT field, both domestic and EU. It happens, and it's perfectly OK, whatever Catherine Murphy might think.


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    #5166
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Really?
    One can support the principle but it doesn't mean one has to support the way the principle is implemented.

    If that's the case then, you need to be supporting the protests. Becasue if Irish Waters stays, we're all fücked.


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    #5167
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    shinzon wrote: »
    so your happy to pay the water charge yet not happy with the company your going to pay the charge to, how in the name of god does that make any sense at all

    Isnt that just being pig headed about wanting to pay for water, honestly im interested in your argument here please tell me how you can separate the 2 entities. how you can still pay money to a company that you don't agree with its implementation

    Shin
    RobertKK wrote: »
    Easy, it could be like, you agree with the idea of 'family', but you might not necessarily like your own family.
    You can't change who your family is but that is the family you belong to.

    Sorry, but that's just stupid.


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    #5168
    Going Forward
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,224 ✭✭✭Going Forward


    Alun wrote: »
    As has been pointed out many times before, it's perfectly normal for the lead member of a consortium to tender for these contracts, including EU ones, and then form the consortium company (if required, or advantageous, it isn't always) upon a successful outcome. It's be silly and costly to set up a company "just in case". I've personally been involved in a number of such tenders in the IT field, both domestic and EU. It happens, and it's perfectly OK, whatever Catherine Murphy might think.

    Would you categorise such tenders as speculative tenders?


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    #5169
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    Because I would take a guess now I could be wrong, that the majority of protestors don't pay tax.

    The above is why no one is taking you seriously.


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    #5170
    Alun
    Registered Users Posts: 21,464 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    Going Forward wrote: »
    Would you categorise such tenders as speculative tenders?
    All tenders are speculative to a degree. A lot of time, effort and money usually goes into the tendering process and you don't want to waste any more of those resources setting up a company that might never be used. BTW it isn't always strictly necessary to even set up a separate company at all. A consortium can operate perfectly well with just the lead consortium member fronting it, and a legal framework to define the consortium members' relationship with each other.


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    #5171
    In Lonesome Dove
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 479 ✭✭In Lonesome Dove


    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    Read the article. What is your opinion on it?

    My opinion is that its a disgrace. We are slowly slipping away from being a first world country in terms of living standards. Why, because we have a government that puts thr needs of big business and the EU ahead of the welfare of its own people.

    Or are you deluded and in denial of our social problems or perhaps just plain ignorant of it like our Government?

    Very true on your piece on the government putting the needs of big business ahead of the welfare of it's own people.

    I was reading the state benefits forum here on boards and what I read about truly sickened me. Someone who is unemployed and receiving the unemployment assistance payment. He went to the post office to pick up his weekly payment, just to find at the counter there was no payment for him there. Just nothing. He made contact with SW and was informed that there was a form in the post to him to fill out for a momentum course and to have it back for the 10thof Dec. You would think that SW would wait until after the 10th of Dec if your man failed to send back the form for cutting him off instead of cutting him off with no warning.

    Completely degrading people they are.


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    #5172
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    We are slowly slipping away from being a first world country in terms of living standards. Why, because we have a government that puts thr needs of big business and the EU ahead of the welfare of its own people.

    Ireland is ranked 37th out of 41 countries in the OECD for child well being.

    Yet some people seem to think everything's grand. It's a sad reflection on our society that there are people who simply refuse to look at reality because it interfere's with their limited political beliefs.


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    #5173
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    Pocoyo wrote: »
    UK article on irelands 600,000 people living in food poverty.

    https://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/irelands-new-poor-and-food-bankds-320

    How can you expect these people to pay for water twice?

    I assume you actually read the article? It claims a family (Mother, kids and grandkids) are living on €188 a week. That is NOT correct. That is a SINGLE persons payment. But, why let the truth get in the way of a story.


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    #5174
    ROCKMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭ROCKMAN


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I assume you actually read the article? It claims a family (Mother, kids and grandkids) are living on €188 a week. That is NOT correct. That is a SINGLE persons payment. But, why let the truth get in the way of a story.

    That's it , Forget or ignore the case that food banks are needed and opening on a scale and size never seen before in Ireland and are making the difference between sinking and swimming for families out there,

    Talk about selective reading.....


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    #5175
    shinzon
    Registered Users Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭shinzon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I assume you actually read the article? It claims a family (Mother, kids and grandkids) are living on €188 a week. That is NOT correct. That is a SINGLE persons payment. But, why let the truth get in the way of a story.

    You have heard of being means tested haven't you, not everyone gets the full whack of what there supposed to be getting

    Shin


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    #5176
    [Deleted User]
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    shinzon wrote: »
    You have heard of being means tested haven't you, not everyone gets the full whack of what there supposed to be getting

    Shin

    So they have other income, not just her €188.


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    #5177
    AboutaWeekAgo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭AboutaWeekAgo


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So they have other income, not just her €188.

    You should take a trip down to the food back and let her know so Mary. Do you really think she'd be going to a food back if she had no other choice? Get your head out of the clouds.


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    #5178
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »
    You should take a trip down to the food back and let her know so Mary. Do you really think she'd be going to a food back if she had no other choice? Get your head out of the clouds.

    I see nothing wrong in people availing of food banks. My issue is the article is clearly inaccurate. If the household is only getting €188 a week welfare, they have other income which they choose not to disclose in the interview.


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    #5179
    ROCKMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭ROCKMAN


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I see nothing wrong in people availing of food banks. My issue is the article is clearly inaccurate. If the household is only getting €188 a week welfare, they have other income which they choose not to disclose in the interview.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    I assume you actually read the article? It claims a family (Mother, kids and grandkids) are living on €188 a week. That is NOT correct. That is a SINGLE persons payment. But, why let the truth get in the way of a story.

    Maybe you should take your own advice ,Article never claimed that €188 was the only income it states that "

    Previously, she was the only income in the house, receiving a Back to Education Allowance that gave her €188 (£148) a week.

    See slightly different then what you are making out and using as a stick to knock the whole article.

    After paying her mortgage of €130 (£103) a week, Rose, her daughter and two grandkids were expected to live on €58 (£46) a week, or €14.50 (£11.44) per person.[/I]"

    This however is written to totally mis-lead the facts and add colour to the article which is more down to a problem effecting most newspapers /media now a days .which is wrong but even this hasn't much to do with the general issue in the piece.


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    #5180
    shinzon
    Registered Users Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭shinzon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I see nothing wrong in people availing of food banks. My issue is the article is clearly inaccurate. If the household is only getting €188 a week welfare, they have other income which they choose not to disclose in the interview.

    and you know this 100 % for certain that theres other income, please do elaborate on how you know this, is it beyond your realm of understanding that they could actually be telling the truth.


    Shin


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    #5181
    arse..biscuits
    Registered Users Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭arse..biscuits


    The Detroit Water Brigade are in Dublin. They are currently giving a press conference in the Gresham Hotel.


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    #5182
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    shinzon wrote: »
    and you know this 100 % for certain that theres other income, please do elaborate on how you know this, is it beyond your realm of understanding that they could actually be telling the truth.


    Shin

    They may well be telling some truth, but not ALL the truth. I think the article is misleading. I would assume this is down to bad research by a journalist. I know enough about the welfare system to know that €188 is a single persons allowance. If THAT'S all they are getting, they must have another source of income. This is not a blame game. It's just pointing out facts of an inaccurate article.


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    #5183
    Chucken
    Registered Users Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They may well be telling some truth, but not ALL the truth. I think the article is misleading. I would assume this is down to bad research by a journalist. I know enough about the welfare system to know that €188 is a single persons allowance. If THAT'S all they are getting, they must have another source of income. This is not a blame game. It's just pointing out facts of an inaccurate article.

    No its not! Look it up..not everyone gets that much.
    Like me for instance. 50 years old, worked all my life until Oct 10th when I was let go. I receive €124 a week which they decided to cut off last week with no reason given.


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    #5184
    EazyD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭EazyD


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    They may well be telling some truth, but not ALL the truth. I think the article is misleading. I would assume this is down to bad research by a journalist. I know enough about the welfare system to know that €188 is a single persons allowance. If THAT'S all they are getting, they must have another source of income. This is not a blame game. It's just pointing out facts of an inaccurate article.

    You clearly know nothing about the welfare system, some are entitled to €188, definitely not all.


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    #5185
    gladrags
    Registered Users Posts: 6,028 ✭✭✭gladrags


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I see nothing wrong in people availing of food banks. My issue is the article is clearly inaccurate. If the household is only getting €188 a week welfare, they have other income which they choose not to disclose in the interview.

    Do you,or does anyone you know have income not disclosed?


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    #5186
    Green Fish
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 29 ✭Green Fish


    I have been hearing about serious divisions within the coalition over how to implement a giveaway budget in 2015 to boost the ratings for the next general election i.e. to buy votes.
    If the Irish Water protests go well, those divisions will deepen and when the Fine Gael and Labour TDs come back from their Xmas holidays, they will be worried about their seats and the government will be close to collapse.


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    #5187
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    An interesting letter....

    That don't have a breakdown in the figures, as in how many non completed forms are in the mix, also they say +/-23% would be replying to inform them that they're not even connected to the public water system.

    Straight from the horses mouth....... Lol.....


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    #5188
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Chucken wrote: »
    No its not! Look it up..not everyone gets that much.
    Like me for instance. 50 years old, worked all my life until Oct 10th when I was let go. I receive €124 a week which they decided to cut off last week with no reason given.

    That is the point I'm making! If one is only getting x amount, it's because they have OTHER income.


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    #5189
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Banjo String wrote: »
    An interesting letter....

    That don't have a breakdown in the figures, as in how many non completed forms are in the mix, also they say +/-23% would be replying to inform them that they're not even connected to the public water system.

    Straight from the horses mouth....... Lol.....

    What an absolute joke.

    1 billion Euro...and counting.

    FFS.


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    #5190
    AboutaWeekAgo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭AboutaWeekAgo


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    That is the point I'm making! If one is only getting x amount, it's because they have OTHER income.

    The fact you're more concerned about 'other income' than you are about the the huge surge in the need for food banks as reported in the article says a lot.


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    #5191
    Satriale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Satriale


    AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »
    The fact you're more concerned about 'other income' than you are about the the huge surge in the need for food banks as reported in the article says a lot.

    i'm just surprised someone hasn't said they could afford food if they got rid of their Sky...


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