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    #512
    yipeeeee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,605 ✭✭✭yipeeeee


    Pigfoot wrote: »
    Shot at what point? When she was actually in front of the car or at the point where she was flung against a bollard, which was after she was no longer in front of the car, actually to the side and away from the car, already in restraint by an officer, neutralised...
    If the buffoon who at this point decided to injure the 'car attacker' had a gun woulkd it be ok to shoot her?

    Once again she went for the car twice.

    The garda threw her the second time because she went straight back after been removed the first time.


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    #513
    Stargate
    Registered Users Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I answered your question.

    You did ? Looked like you dodged it .

    You said you'd have no problem with the young lady being shot.
    I asked if it was your own daughter would you say same?
    Your answer is a bit of a cop out in fairness.


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    #514
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    My name is URL wrote: »
    hahahaha

    Are you for real?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thRUIjeddrU


    He ran straight into him ffs. 'Didn't know he was there'.. catch a grip of yourself ffs

    He was also restrained adequately and proportionally.. not flung on to the ground like a ragdoll by a hot headed fool when he was already restrained by colleagues.

    And why wasn't the woman in this case arrested or taken into custody if she committed such a gross criminal act?
    he did only run into him. and he was smashed into the ground by hot headed dregs.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #515
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Stargate wrote: »
    You did ? Looked like you dodged it .

    You said you'd have no problem with the young lady being shot.
    I asked if it was your own daughter would you say same?
    Your answer is a bit of a cop out in fairness.


    If his daughter bangs on your car, hes saying you have his blessing to shoot her dead.


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    #516
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Pigfoot wrote: »
    Shot at what point? When she was actually in front of the car or at the point where she was flung against a bollard, which was after she was no longer in front of the car, actually to the side and away from the car, already in restraint by an officer, neutralised...
    If the buffoon who at this point decided to injure the 'car attacker' had a gun would it be ok to shoot her?

    Hasn't it been established that she wasn't flung against a bollard at this stage?


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    #517
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,544 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Stargate wrote: »
    You did ? Looked like you dodged it .

    You said you'd have no problem with the young lady being shot.
    I asked if it was your own daughter would you say same?
    Your answer is a bit of a cop out in fairness.

    My answer is my answer, you don't get to dictate the format of my answer, If you don't like it? Tough.


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    #518
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,544 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    end of the road wrote: »
    he did only run into him. and he was smashed into the ground by hot headed dregs.

    I missed that part of the video, care to show us where he was "smashed into the ground"?


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    #519
    AboutaWeekAgo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭AboutaWeekAgo


    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    Such menace in that post. Lot of pro water people love beating people down that genuinely can't afford to pay. Disgusting.

    That's the part that I can't grasp. It seems like they genuinely can't fathom that so many people just can't afford to pay it.


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    #520
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Security breach played down by security forces shocker.

    Yes, he was just on his way to the gym but decided to take a detour through a primeminister. Shur he didn't even see him or his bodyguards

    The video is there for all to see. People can draw their own conclusions.

    not downplayed at all. they're was nothing to it just wrong place wrong time. no detour at all and he didn't see them until it was to late.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #521
    Pigfoot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 26 ✭Pigfoot


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Probably when she first broke through the police cordon. If not then then certainly when she thumped the car. She could have been armed. There was no way of knowing and the police cannot take that risk. If she had been armed and had killed or wounded the Gardai would have been in appalling trouble and rightly so. Peaceful demos mean just that. Respecting the barriers. No one to blame but herself.

    We need to be thankful that the Gardai are not trigger happy; there have been taser deaths in eg Canada for less than what this woman did. If things do not calm down sooner or later there will be injury. NB she has said she was not thrown against the bollard; item on breaking news re her complaint and she clearly states that

    Ok. But what Im getting at is that there was no need for the second action. It was totally un warranted. She had been removed. It was pure aggression and one would expect a little better training in our police force. No?
    Remember Abbeylara where a mentally ill man was riddled with bullets. Dont arm our Guards until theyre trained !!!


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    #522
    Stargate
    Registered Users Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    My answer is my answer, you don't get to dictate the format of my answer, If you don't like it? Tough.

    You sure your not a politician ? So in your opinion the girl should have been shot !! :eek:
    Great , just wanted to clear that up so there was no confusion.


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    #523
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    El Horseboxo wrote: »
    Exact situation but Obama is in the town car? And if I'm the 3rd Garda? I'd have continued forward towards my fellow officers that already had the girl restrained and did not appear to be resisting restraint. I'd have been ready to act but I don't have a habit of further clattering into people that are already restrained. If they are resisting and my colleagues needed assistance. I would assist. There are legal take down manoeuvres and are usually used on drunk or high males with adrenaline flowing. Honestly, I'd I was one of the two Garda that had the girl restrained and another officer charged in I'd be having words with him after the event.

    Outside of the above situation, in a country where firearms are easily obtainable and has historical political figure assassinations. And I seen what I believed to be a firearm or dangerous weapon. I'd have shot her. That's what the training is for. But from what appears to transpire in the video I don't believe she would have been shot here.

    And yet you claim the Gardai in this case have gone overboard??


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    #524
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Graces7 wrote: »
    in nay other country eg America would have been shot. Not even tasered; shot.
    thankfully we aren't in such sespits where one can be riddled with bullits for hardly anything. we have standards and quality control

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #525
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,544 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Stargate wrote: »
    You sure your not a politician ? So in your opinion the girl should have been shot !! :eek:
    Great , just wanted to clear that up so there was no confusion.


    Again


    I never said she SHOULD have been shot.

    I said i wouldn't lose any sleep if she HAD been shot.

    Comprende now?


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    #526
    Stargate
    Registered Users Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    Good to see the people of Cork will not be fooled (again )

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/1907906_901071523236621_7725597200304100566_n.jpg?oh=a1b0f0faf2ad92f6a067e4a0e2994c32&oe=54D96469&__gda__=1424314647_a0351bb1b89c68b7ecfce041d8503949


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    #527
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    My name is URL wrote: »
    This bull**** again :o

    Tell me, when is the last time that Secret Service or police opened fire at or shot someone trying to get close to a president.

    Did they shoot the armed guy that managed to get into an elevator with Obama? Or the one that scaled a fence and ran into the Whitehouse?

    Did they shoot the man that flung his shoes (which could have just as easily been grenades) at GW Bush?

    No they didn't.

    The guy that attacked Cameron a few weeks back wasn't even roughed up like the woman outside Mansion House.

    Stop talking bollix.

    It's not bollix to assume that other world leaders have the kind of protection that would not allow you to walk away unscathed after you tried to run at the car they were travelling in

    Perhaps you wouldn't be shot in America but you can be damn sure you'd never try anything stupid again after the Secret Service dealt with you.


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    #528
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Graces7 wrote: »
    People with private wells and members of group water schemes have been paying your share for years.. time you started paying your way.
    well i don't know about you but i haven't being paying his share and i have a well. i look after myself and thats it

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #529
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Shoot people who break police cordons?

    Yes. That is a threat you see as you do not do that unless you are planning action. Police cordons are a legal barrier so why break them? Logical enough. I am not supporting this by the way just warning of the reality faced in eg Canada and the US. google taser deaths Canada... nb this is just DEATHS

    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=4ccf8040-2666-4463-b73c-9e531dab20e8

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/police-use-of-force-registry-would-help-weigh-risks-of-taser-use-study-says/article14880825/

    If someone in a crowd breaches the police cordon the police have no way of knowing if they are armed, drunk, drugged, mentally ill.. Just the action poses danger and they have to act as they did .

    Our police are being very tolerant and laid back but that will change unless folk calm down.


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    #530
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Hasn't it been established that she wasn't flung against a bollard at this stage?

    You would think....but since that scenario doesn't fit in the with agenda of some posters here it's being ignored.


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    #531
    BoatMad
    Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    Such menace in that post. Lot of pro water people love beating people down that genuinely can't afford to pay. Disgusting.


    he didn't say he could afford to pay , he said that he wasn't prepared to pay. Im all for allowances for people that genuinely can't pay.


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    #532
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Probably when she first broke through the police cordon. If not then then certainly when she thumped the car. She could have been armed. There was no way of knowing and the police cannot take that risk. If she had been armed and had killed or wounded the Gardai would have been in appalling trouble and rightly so. Peaceful demos mean just that. Respecting the barriers. No one to blame but herself.

    We need to be thankful that the Gardai are not trigger happy; there have been taser deaths in eg Canada for less than what this woman did. If things do not calm down sooner or later there will be injury. NB she has said she was not thrown against the bollard; item on breaking news re her complaint and she clearly states that
    wrong. the police would know very quick if she was armed

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #533
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    end of the road wrote: »
    well i don't know about you but i haven't being paying his share and i have a well. i look after myself and thats it

    But the water protectors aver that we all pay already through taxes... logical enough...they cite motor tax being used for water supply.. the meters ensure that the users pay.. their placards claim WE ARE NOT PAYING TWICE


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    #534
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    gladrags wrote: »
    He should resign before this country falls apart.

    And which knight in shining Armour should ride in and save us?

    Michael Martin? Gerry Adams?


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    #535
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    yipeeeee wrote: »
    The garda threw her

    yes, the gard assaulted her.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #536
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Yes. That is a threat you see as you do not do that unless you are planning action. Police cordons are a legal barrier so why break them? Logical enough. I am not supporting this by the way just warning of the reality faced in eg Canada and the US. google taser deaths Canada... nb this is just DEATHS

    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=4ccf8040-2666-4463-b73c-9e531dab20e8

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/police-use-of-force-registry-would-help-weigh-risks-of-taser-use-study-says/article14880825/

    If someone in a crowd breaches the police cordon the police have no way of knowing if they are armed, drunk, drugged, mentally ill.. Just the action poses danger and they have to act as they did .

    Our police are being very tolerant and laid back but that will change unless folk calm down.


    So, presumably they searched her for weapons and other dangerous items after they chucked her, right?


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    #537
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I actually only saw the News clip at the point I saw her flung at the bollard - so maybe I didn't have the full picture - and maybe the Gardai were right. As an image it just shocked me - that's all.

    It shocked me too initially but I looked again and saw what really happened instead of jumping to conclusions.

    Does that fact that she herself says she wasn't thrown against anything not register with anyone?


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    #538
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,544 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    end of the road wrote: »
    wrong. the police would know very quick if she was armed

    Nope

    Not until this happens







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    #539
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Highflyer13 wrote: »
    Such menace in that post. Lot of pro water people love beating people down that genuinely can't afford to pay. Disgusting.

    It's not the Can't Pays that are the problem, it's the Won't Pays.


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    #540
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    Hasn't it been established that she wasn't flung against a bollard at this stage?

    It has.

    Only because another Garda put his knee in front of the bollard.


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    #541
    Stargate
    Registered Users Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Stargate


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Funny

    I worked as a doorman for almost 20 years
    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Again

    I never said she SHOULD have been shot.

    I said i wouldn't lose any sleep if she HAD been shot.

    Comprende now?


    Yeah me comprende alright . I see where your coming from :rolleyes:


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