IW/Anything Water Related-Warning in OP

Banjo String

hynesie08 wrote: »

??????

Not sure if serious.

http://www.jobbridge.ie/

BoatMad

Gringo180 wrote: »

Is it true Irish water employees don't work weekends or after a certain time midweek?

well if they are transferred from former county council workers, I don't think they work at all really,

Tinkersbell

Banjo String wrote: »

PM me when your travel arrangements have been finalised.

I'll personally collect you from the airport, this is something I gotta see.

Can I come too?

keno-daytrader

BoatMad wrote: »

well if they are transferred from former county council workers, I don't think they work at all really,

put your shovel down lad, its time for tea....

hynesie08

Banjo String wrote: »

Not sure if serious.

http://www.jobbridge.ie/

If they're working, They're not unemployed.

BoatMad

Originally Posted by hju6 View Post
Yeah, the rich get richer, the poorer pay for it, and the unemployed workas slaves for €50 a week,

Im not sure the poor pay for that much in reality, I mean they can't. If you look at statistics the main payers into the tax system as the middle classes. Thats why taxes like LPT and water charges are so effective in raising revenue, they actually target the vast majority in the middle.

The worst place to be in ireland is just above the poverty line, not just below it.

michael999999

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Do you really see thuggery as an acceptable way to express your opinion? Do you not understand that a government brought down by thuggery will only be replaced by thugs?

Ah not ****in Fianna fail again!

Tinkersbell

hynesie08 wrote: »

??????

Jobbridge I think.
It's actually €20 a week (on top of €188)
40 hours for just over €5 an hour. Nice for some employers.

ninebeanrows

These people causing damage should be arrested and charged.

A small minority of society is being allowed disrupt the running of the government which the Irish people democratically elected.

Many people have reservations about IW, but we have come so far to get this country back on a footing where we can begin to look at a sustainable future.

People have made so many sacrifices, we will not let a lowly bunch of cretins disrupt this recovery.

Wait until the next election and vote for the shinners and see what the outcome is, you'll see that you do not have the support of your fellow electorate, despite your deluded beliefs.

BoatMad

Banjo String wrote: »

Not sure if serious.

http://www.jobbridge.ie/

good idea jobsbridge, most interns work for nothing, at least here you gets a few quid.

Little CuChulainn

hju6 wrote: »

You don't know , or haven't a fcuking clue what a thug is.

I do. And so do you. But you seem to give a pass when the victim is a politician. I guarantee you if you were trapped in your car while some guy and his friends surrounded it and banged on it and shook it, all because they didn't like you, you would be calling them thugs. And I guarantee you if a guy threw a brick at your car you would call him a thug.

Gringo180

Gringo180 wrote: »

Is it true Irish water employees don't work weekends or after a certain time midweek?

Sister lives in Roscommon but not in the "serious enough" area so they say. Water looked real bad few weeks ago so she rang IW who told her to ring council who told her it had to be reported to IW who then said to ring back at 9am the next morning.

Must ask her what happened. I know that a good few from the area were going to call but I forgot about it till now.

Tinkersbell

hynesie08 wrote: »

If they're working, They're not unemployed.

That's what enda says too.
How come the state is paying people on jobbridge to work for private companies?

BoatMad

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Jobbridge I think.
It's actually €20 a week (on top of €188)
40 hours for just over €5 an hour. Nice for some employers.

most interns work for nothing. lots of university grads are dying to get a suitable intern.

Its not much benefit to employers, its designed to get someone some relevant experience.

good idea in general

hju6

BoatMad wrote: »

Im not sure the poor pay for that much in reality, I mean they can't. If you look at statistics the main payers into the tax system as the middle classes. Thats why taxes like LPT and water charges are so effective in raising revenue, they actually target the vast majority in the middle.

The worst place to be in ireland is just above the poverty line, not just below it.

The middle classes, the bulk of the peaceful prostesters.

gladrags

Tony EH wrote: »

Drowning in its own ineffectuality.

If the Times is right,this is a major climbdown.

And it raises a lot more questions about the entire debacle.

BoatMad

Tinkersbell wrote: »

That's what enda says too.
How come the state is paying people on jobbridge to work for private companies?

better then paying them to work for IW.


why shouldn't the state help unemployed people gain relevant intern experience.

BoatMad

gladrags wrote: »

If the Times is right,this is a major climbdown.

And it raises a lot more questions about the entire debacle.

huh, a delay of 6 weeks raise "more questions". I suspect the 6 weeks is to allow all the computer system to be re-programmed and the DoSW to get organised to give out the green shield stamps.

hju6

BoatMad wrote: »

most interns work for nothing. lots of university grads are dying to get a suitable intern.

Its not much benefit to employers, its designed to get someone some relevant experience.

good idea in general

My mates on forced jobscam for the council, 10 lads fighting for a go of shovel

Good idea for reducing the live register, one of Maggies ploys in the eighties

gandalf

LOL if that Irish Times article is true then the Government have gone beyond panic mode. Keep the pressure up.

For the moment heres a bit of music for the Coalition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lWJXDG2i0A

donvito99

BoatMad wrote: »

better then paying them to work for IW.


why shouldn't the state help unemployed people gain relevant intern experience.

Nah it's better for them to be on the dole cause they can vote for Paul and Ruth and Joe and get a free gaff given to them and pay nothing for water, nothing at all as a matter of fact. Cause the bondholders will pay for everything loike, like they we us, y'know.

Banjo String

Gringo180 wrote: »

Is it true Irish water employees don't work weekends or after a certain time midweek?

That's like a lot of people, including me tbf though.

hynesie08 wrote: »

If they're working, They're not unemployed.

It is an internship scheme for the.........

C'mon, think hard......

hynesie08

Tinkersbell wrote: »

That's what enda says too.
How come the state is paying people on jobbridge to work for private companies?

In theory to retrain/give experience so that people can enter/re-enter the workforce and contribute to the economy. Of course we both know this isn't always the case.

I still stand by the fact that the term "Unemployed working" Doesn't make any sense though.

tayto lover

Weathercheck wrote: »

These people causing damage should be arrested and charged.

A small minority of society is being allowed disrupt the running of the government which the Irish people democratically elected.

Many people have reservations about IW, but we have come so far to get this country back on a footing where we can begin to look at a sustainable future.

People have made so many sacrifices, we will not let a lowly bunch of cretins disrupt this recovery.

Wait until the next election and vote for the shinners and see what the outcome is, you'll see that you do not have the support of your fellow electorate, despite your deluded beliefs.

You make it sound like these protesters are predominantly Shinners.
You are very wrong.
The vast vast majority of protesters are ordinary working class people who are just fed up paying and see no end to it. I know people in their 80's and some as young as 18 who were on protests. Shinners form a very small percentage.

hatrickpatrick

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I do. And so do you. But you seem to give a pass when the victim is a politician. I guarantee you if you were trapped in your car while some guy and his friends surrounded it and banged on it and shook it, all because they didn't like you, you would be calling them thugs. And I guarantee you if a guy threw a brick at your car you would call him a thug.

I condemn the violence at recent protests, but I find it a bit disingenuous for you to include "all because they didn't like you" in your analogy. Burton & co are not being harassed because people don't like them, they're being harassed because they're robbing Peter to pay Paul, where Peter is an ordinary citizen and Paul is someone high up in the political hierarchy or with close links to the aforementioned hierarchy.

If I took a bunch of money out of your wallet, told you it was for your own good, and then gave it to some lad I was in school with who is already rolling in it, you'd be pretty pissed off at me, wouldn't you?

moxin

Weathercheck wrote: »

These people causing damage should be arrested and charged..

So says the guy from London. Try living here first and contribute your taxes to have a sincere view on the water protests.

hju6

hynesie08 wrote: »

In theory to retrain/give experience so that people can enter/re-enter the workforce and contribute to the economy. Of course we both know this isn't always the case.

I still stand by the fact that the term "Unemployed working" Doesn't make any sense though.

Ever heard of the black economy?

Gringo180

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Sister lives in Roscommon but not in the "serious enough" area so they say. Water looked real bad few weeks ago so she rang IW who told her to ring council who told her it had to be reported to IW who then said to ring back at 9am the next morning.

Have heard a few stories like this myself. Which begs the questions, why set up a company like Irish Water if they are going to be sub contracting some work back to the council? Would it not be best to leave this type of work to the council, it would save an awful lot of money?

Another thing how in the name of christ did they spend over 80 million on consultants alone

michael999999

tayto lover wrote: »

You make it sound like these protesters are predominantly Shinners.
You are very wrong.
The vast vast majority of protesters are ordinary working class people who are just fed up paying and see no end to it. I know people in their 80's and some as young as 18 who were on protests. Shinners form a very small percentage.

The indo would love everyone to believe that it is Sinn Fein organising these protests.

Fine Gael sugar daddy Denis needs to pay back a few favours to he's fine Gael mates!

BoatMad

hju6 wrote: »

My mates on forced jobscam for the council, 10 lads fighting for a go of shovel

Good idea for reducing the live register, one of Maggies ploys in the eighties

surely bette then 10 lads fighting for a go a the Sw desk?,

many jobs bridge people gained a lot from the scheme, I know several

donvito99

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I condemn the violence at recent protests, but I find it a bit disingenuous for you to include "all because they didn't like you" in your analogy. Burton & co are not being harassed because people don't like them, they're being harassed because they're robbing Peter to pay Paul, where Peter is an ordinary citizen and Paul is someone high up in the political hierarchy or with close links to the aforementioned hierarchy.

If I took a bunch of money out of your wallet, told you it was for your own good, and then gave it to some lad I was in school with who is already rolling in it, you'd be pretty pissed off at me, wouldn't you?

They're "robbing Peter" to run the bloody country. If we could all be shown some proof of this enormous country crippling "cronyism" (no anti-IW post would be complete without cronyism) that'd be just great.

Tinkersbell

BoatMad wrote: »

huh, a delay of 6 weeks raise "more questions". I suspect the 6 weeks is to allow all the computer system to be re-programmed and the DoSW to get organised to give out the green shield stamps.

I suspect the 6 weeks is buying time, hoping the anger will die down....

donvito99

moxin wrote: »

So says the guy from London. Try living here first and contribute your taxes to have a sincere view on the water protests.

I live here and pay my taxes here and will pay my water charges and I like many agree with him.

Yggr of Asgard

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Jobbridge I think.
It's actually €20 a week (on top of €188)
40 hours for just over €5 an hour. Nice for some employers.

I know a couple of people that started working via job bridge with no work experience in the field they wanted to work and after the internship they got a full time job at the same company, a job they otherwise would not have gotten.

Yes, there might be abuse of the system but there are some real people that benefited from this system.

It comes down how this is implemented and handled by individual companies.

Tinkersbell

hynesie08 wrote: »

In theory to retrain/give experience so that people can enter/re-enter the workforce and contribute to the economy. Of course we both know this isn't always the case.

I still stand by the fact that the term "Unemployed working" Doesn't make any sense though.

Ah, it does if your trying to spin figures....

yipeeeee

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I condemn the violence at recent protests, but I find it a bit disingenuous for you to include "all because they didn't like you" in your analogy. Burton & co are not being harassed because people don't like them, they're being harassed because they're robbing Peter to pay Paul, where Peter is an ordinary citizen and Paul is someone high up in the political hierarchy or with close links to the aforementioned hierarchy.

If I took a bunch of money out of your wallet, told you it was for your own good, and then gave it to some lad I was in school with who is already rolling in it, you'd be pretty pissed off at me, wouldn't you?

Its really not that black and white and you know it.

donvito99

hju6 wrote: »

The middle classes, the bulk of the peaceful prostesters.

tayto lover wrote: »

The vast vast majority of protesters are ordinary working class people .

Wait, I'm confused. Who's right here?

_Kaiser_

Weathercheck wrote: »

A small minority of society is being allowed disrupt the running of the government which the Irish people democratically elected.

Oh sorry - I thought you were referring to Enda's "gang of 4" (and unelected department officials) Economic Management Council there for a minute - y'know, the ones who are disrupting the running of the government and using the whip system to enforce their decisions without proper debate or a vote.

Here's some more reading for you - backed by a FG backbencher no less

My name is URL

Gringo180 wrote: »

Another thing how in the name of christ did they spend over 80 million on consultants alone

I'd love to have a list of people they employed as consultants and would bet my bottom dollar that there'd be a few familiar names on it, and no doubt another few who turn out to be pals with people who were responsible for setting it up / deciding who to employ as consultants.

hju6

donvito99 wrote: »

Wait, I'm confused. Who's right here?

We both are,

padd b1975

hynesie08 wrote: »

If they're working, They're not unemployed.

If they're getting paid, they're not slaves.

BoatMad

Gringo180 wrote: »

Have heard a few stories like this myself. Which begs the questions, why set up a company like Irish Water if they are going to be sub contracting some work back to the council? Would it not be best to leave this type of work to the council, it would save an awful lot of money?

Another thing how in the name of christ did they spend over 80 million on consultants alone

aha, my beef preciously

Lets look at why all this happened

(a) state is bankrupted by guaranteeing banks with money it doesn't have
(b) property bubble burst cause banks can't lend.
(c) gov looses a huge amount of tax it had foolishly some to rely on.
(d) bailout triplets arrive
(e) bailout triplets point out to Gov, you don't raise enough tax to meet your ongoing needs, never mind repaying some"new" loans, so Gov, better raise taxes

(g) Hence we get USC, LPT,and water charges ( you might notice how most of these new charges arntt easy to avoid and can't easily be avoided.)
(h) Gov gets USC and LPT away, knows water is a tricky one ( was attempted before)
(i) I order to borrow billions for water system, Gov can't borrow money directly , bailout boys rule that one out as does the EU. ( 3% deficit target and all that )

(j) So no choice but too semi-privateise like other semi-states.
(k) However Couty councils go berserk, claim they will be left with staff that have nothing to d and also they should be paid to "release the assets to IW" ( even though the public has already paid for them )

(l) in the interests of "worker harmony", ( I mean who is in coalition with FG), a deal is down with the unions, transferrs on full public service conditions and pay.

(j) including the public service bonus, ( which is why they wanted to pay them, ben before they were working , cause they were "due" them in the county councils.

(k) Now we have the mess that is IWm staff on fat public servant rates, county councils skimming fees for "managing " or releasing infrastructure

and you think IW will be efficient ????


PS : the consultants figure , was actually thing alike provision of the computer systems and the like. ( BY THE WAY Bord Gas won the contract to manage IW, precisely because they claimed there billing system had capacity and ability to handle the water meters funny, once they got the contract, they needed to spend 80 million on new IT!!!!)

My name is URL

My name is URL wrote: »

I'd love to have a list of people they employed as consultants and would bet my bottom dollar that there'd be a few familiar names on it, and no doubt another few who turn out to be pals with people who were responsible for setting it up / deciding who to employ as consultants.

When the consultants story broke early in the year, I think there was some confidentiality sh1te spewed and the breakdown of costs has never bee revealed.

The fact that the couldn't justify the costs at the time says it all really.

ninebeanrows

moxin wrote: »

So says the guy from London. Try living here first and contribute your taxes to have a sincere view on the water protests.

ha, I am victim of the recession, I have had to emigrate recently to gain employment. It saddens me to see a small cohort of society try and damage the recovery.

And by god I disagree with a lot of the governments actions, I think it is funny that Irish Water is the final straw for some people,

It is exactly the type of charge that should have been around for decades to give a sustainable tax base...

I just think there is an extremist element fuelling this uproar as it may be the final really tangible fee to be introduced... and their last chance to vent

Gringo180

I wonder can any Pro Irish water heads explain why the consultant fees were astronomically high?

BoatMad

Originally Posted by hatrickpatrick View Post
I condemn the violence at recent protests, but I find it a bit disingenuous for you to include "all because they didn't like you" in your analogy. Burton & co are not being harassed because people don't like them, they're being harassed because they're robbing Peter to pay Paul, where Peter is an ordinary citizen and Paul is someone high up in the political hierarchy or with close links to the aforementioned hierarchy.

em, fundementally, water charge is a tax, forced on the gov by the inability of the tax system to pay for the running of the country. I don't believe " someone high up in the political hierarchy" is in line for millions resulting from the water charges.

In fact I suspect with the new charges, IW will have some spurious problems funding itself and will fail the "market test"

donvito99

Gringo180 wrote: »

I wonder can any Pro Irish water heads explain why the consultant fees were astronomically high?

Relative to what, like?

the groutch

BoatMad wrote: »

good idea jobsbridge, most interns work for nothing, at least here you gets a few quid.

most proper internships (like in America) help people towards permanent employment in their field of study.

very little to be gained by a college graduate on the dole if they are to go working as:

hotel room cleaner
laundrette worker
petrol pump attendant
car cleaner
cow milker
supermarket shelf stacker
paper bag making machine operator


(yes they are all real)

Tinkersbell

Is it legal for a government to set the charge rates of a commercial semi state company?

BTW, good day to announce it, the same day the IMF fly in to oversee what we're doing.

No wonder they waited as long as they did.........

dav3

Another backdown from the government on charges. Irish water is dead in the water, if it drags on any longer it will bring down the government.