IW/Anything Water Related-Warning in OP

ChippingSodbury

Hi,

I'm fed up of this Paul Murphy and his Anti campaigns. I listened to him on Prime Time on Mon night and it wouldn't be that often I'd agree with anything that Gemma Hussey has to say but she called him a bully and I think that's exactly what he is.
Brendan Ogle is another guy who is anti everything. He started off (in the media!) as the guy who set up the Irish Locomotive Drivers Association because he didn't want to be part of the NBRU and wanted to be treated differently. He held the public to ransom with the threat of strike action. Same thing when he went to ESB group of unions: the threat of power cuts loomed large last year and this year. Now I see he's the front man in some other Anti water organisation.

I thought we lived in a democracy: we have a right to vote for whomever we want to represent us. Mob rule is not democracy and holding protests to stop people going about their work or whatever is not acceptable. Peaceful protest should be a show of numbers etc. who support whatever cause happens to be in question, whether it be Irish Water or any other bone of contention. A peaceful protest does not have the right to disrupt law-abiding citizens from going about their daily business. If there are enough people in a show of numbers on a protest, it should be enough to get the message across.

The people who organise these protests should be responsible for the actions of attendees at the protest and shold provide stewarding etc. or whatever is necessary to ensure that scenes like happened on Saturday cannot happen. Mr Murphy was on the radio just today launching another Anti something and when asked would be apologise to the tanaiste, he said 'No'. So, in his eyes, it's perfectly acceptable for him to go around organising rabbles to take the law into their own hands and treat fellow-elected politicians to physical and verbal abuse. This is not democracy; this is mob rule; I, for one, don't want any part of it and I'm sure there are lots more out there who feel the same.

We will get our chance to cast our vote when the next election comes around. Everybody then has a say on whether they want new representation or agree with the present shower. Isn't this a better way than being "led" by a rabble forcing people into submission/ stopping them doing their job/ going about their daily business?

I will be paying for water when the bill comes because I think it's the right thing to do. Anything you get for nothing has no value. If water meters make people think about how they use water, then it can only be a good thing. How many people here brush their teeth and leave the tap running while brushing? If we're not metered, why would we bother turning off the tap?

Before you start:
I'm not in any way connected with Irish Water (other than a user of water)
I'm not in any way connected with the Socialist Part (and will be keeping it that way :pac:)
I'm not in any way connected with any other political party/ grouping
I'm an ordinary working-class taxpayer

Fuhrer

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Not responsible. But if the consequences for me are better if I do pay it for you than if I dont, then, unhappy about it sure, but I will pay it.

Great, because I had a bit of a rough weekend...

wp_rathead

Caliden wrote: »

Rebate??!!

No, no no. You don't get money back that's not how this slush fund charge works.

Details in 2 weeks....maybe...

Or allowance or what ever the feck it is.. we havnt sent anything away yet but the property agency we renting from sent email ages ago it is our duty to register not the landlords.. dont wanna register and move out in august and then not have allowance in next place I move into..

Leaving aside the ethical and political aspect to Irish Water- the organisation itself is a mess

ROCKMAN

ok
but what makes you think you deserve your own thread.....

Fuhrer

ChippingSodbury wrote: »

I will be paying for water when the bill comes because I think it's the right thing to do. Anything you get for nothing has no value. If water meters make people think about how they use water, then it can only be a good thing. How many people here brush their teeth and leave the tap running while brushing? If we're not metered, why would we bother turning off the tap?

You're already paying for water, there was a VAT increase a few years back to cover it.

Nidgeweasel

I just wish there was a thread on boards that this could be discussed in full.

wp_rathead

Daith wrote: »

The rebate will only go back to the person who registered their PPS number won't it?

Ahh thanks.. hmm feel iffy giving over my PPS number..

coffee_cake

We already pay for water. I've no issue with conserving it and paying for the service but we do the latter already and this will change nothing, just be another fee
Like the property "they're for local services we swear. have you paid? yea? lol jk just another tax" tax

Streetwalker

wprathead wrote: »

Im currently renting in a 3 Person Appartment-
Lease is until August- if i then move into a 4 person house does anyone know what happens in relation to the rebate?

Its a bit of a clusterfnck the whole thing

IW won't be around next August.

NotCominBack

This should be interesting


Btw lol

blackplum123

ChippingSodbury wrote: »

Hi,

I'm fed up of this Paul Murphy and his Anti campaigns. I listened to him on Prime Time on Mon night and it wouldn't be that often I'd agree with anything that Gemma Hussey has to say but she called him a bully and I think that's exactly what he is.
Brendan Ogle is another guy who is anti everything. He started off (in the media!) as the guy who set up the Irish Locomotive Drivers Association because he didn't want to be part of the NBRU and wanted to be treated differently. He held the public to ransom with the threat of strike action. Same thing when he went to ESB group of unions: the threat of power cuts loomed large last year and this year. Now I see he's the front man in some other Anti water organisation.

I thought we lived in a democracy: we have a right to vote for whomever we want to represent us. Mob rule is not democracy and holding protests to stop people going about their work or whatever is not acceptable. Peaceful protest should be a show of numbers etc. who support whatever cause happens to be in question, whether it be Irish Water or any other bone of contention. A peaceful protest does not have the right to disrupt law-abiding citizens from going about their daily business. If there are enough people in a show of numbers on a protest, it should be enough to get the message across.

The people who organise these protests should be responsible for the actions of attendees at the protest and shold provide stewarding etc. or whatever is necessary to ensure that scenes like happened on Saturday cannot happen. Mr Murphy was on the radio just today launching another Anti something and when asked would be apologise to the tanaiste, he said 'No'. So, in his eyes, it's perfectly acceptable for him to go around organising rabbles to take the law into their own hands and treat fellow-elected politicians to physical and verbal abuse. This is not democracy; this is mob rule; I, for one, don't want any part of it and I'm sure there are lots more out there who feel the same.

We will get our chance to cast our vote when the next election comes around. Everybody then has a say on whether they want new representation or agree with the present shower. Isn't this a better way than being "led" by a rabble forcing people into submission/ stopping them doing their job/ going about their daily business?

I will be paying for water when the bill comes because I think it's the right thing to do. Anything you get for nothing has no value. If water meters make people think about how they use water, then it can only be a good thing. How many people here brush their teeth and leave the tap running while brushing? If we're not metered, why would we bother turning off the tap?

Before you start:
I'm not in any way connected with Irish Water (other than a user of water)
I'm not in any way connected with the Socialist Part (and will be keeping it that way :pac:)
I'm not in any way connected with any other political party/ grouping
I'm an ordinary working-class taxpayer

YAAWWWNNN................................

yipeeeee

Fuhrer wrote: »

They werent our bills.


If I wrack up a huge debt at the casino are you responsible for paying it back?

The Irish people aren't blameless in the bank crisis.

People buying ridiculously priced house and apartments.

It was bad choices right across the board.

ChippingSodbury

Fuhrer wrote: »

You're already paying for water, there was a VAT increase a few years back to cover it.

So, if I leave the tap running, the VAT magically pays for the water?

Daith

wprathead wrote: »

Ahh thanks.. hmm feel iffy giving over my PPS number..

Well I presume that's how it works. So for rented/shared accom you'd have to rely on the person giving you back your share. No idea how it'll work with people who move out.

Fuhrer

yipeeeee wrote: »

The Irish people aren't blameless in the bank crisis.

People buying ridiculously priced house and apartments.

And the bailout did absolutely nothing to alleviate their problems, they're still stuck owing money on land or property that is worth a fraction of what they owe.

mariaalice

I am paying because I think it the right thing to do the water and waste water situation has to be fix and it costs money.

I have nothing against Paul Murphy or any of the rest of them they are entitled to their ( slightly bonkers ) opinion just the same as anyone is entitled to have an opinion.

yipeeeee

Fuhrer wrote: »

And the bailout did absolutely nothing to alleviate their problems, they're still stuck owing money on land or property that is worth a fraction of what they owe.

So??

Did they but these properties to make a profit or live in??

If for a profit the gamble failed.

Leroy42

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

The mistake is listening to what the candidate says at all. It is irrelevant. The guide, and its only a guide, to who you are voting for is the policy of the parties. Joke candidates like Ming, Wallace, Healy Ray are a waste of a vote. They have no power. Any given party member candidate might potentially have some power, but only to support the government party if his in power. So listening to his personal views, policies, intentions is a waste of time because the party line is what tells you what he will really do.

Whilst I agree with what you say, it really is utterly depressing (the situation not your comment!)

What is the point of voting for local TD's if they will simply do what the party wants anyway? Why not simply have a refurendum every 5 years, each party lists out their policy and the coalitions they would be willing to work in.

Whomever wins then chooses whomever they like to be part of the cabinet (management basically). A bit like in US where you vote for the President based on his party's policies and he then selects whomever he wants to do the actual running of the departments

wprathead

wprathead wrote: »

Or allowance or what ever the feck it is.. we havnt sent anything away yet but the property agency we renting from sent email ages ago it is our duty to register not the landlords.. dont wanna register and move out in august and then not have allowance in next place I move into..

Leaving aside the ethical and political aspect to Irish Water- the organisation itself is a mess

It's not even going on metered charges for the foreseeable future so, in order to meet your tenancy agreement, just put down one person living in house and divide the 60 euro (or thereabouts) single habitant figure between you when it needs paying.

When you move out, notify IW of dates/new address/etc and rinse and repeat.

Grayson

ChippingSodbury wrote: »

So, if I leave the tap running, the VAT magically pays for the water?

Whilst we're at it, can I get some cash back for all the feckers who water their lawns? I live in an apt and hardly use any.

If there's a charge, the fairest way is to charge proportionally.

Fuhrer

yipeeeee wrote: »

So??

Did they but these properties to make a profit or live in??

If for a profit the gamble failed.

Yes, as did the Bond Holders, their gamble failed. Why should they be bailed out?

Daith

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

It's not even going on metered charges for the foreseeable future so, in order to meet your tenancy agreement, just put down one person living in house and divide the 60 euro (or thereabouts) single habitant figure between you when it needs paying.

Isn't it a rebate? I.e the bill will still be €173 and if you've paid the bill you get the rebate at the end?

Or does one person get the money up front?

blackplum123

a complete mess by an incompetent government.
For starters It cost 50 Million for consultants to design this mess.
How can that be justified and no one answerable to the squandering of public monies

gandalf

I don't particularly like Eddie Hobbs but I think he is spot on with this article on one of the main issues coming out of this Irish Water debate and why I think we do need a referendum to ensure Water and other natural resources cannot be sold off to the highest bidder or when the state hits an issue with finances.

Water, as well as the nation’s other resources, ‘belong to the State’ as stated in the 1937 Constitution, but Article 10 needs to be rewritten, writes Eddie Hobbs

Today’s water protesters, whether they realise it yet or not, campaign on a fissure between the Irish people and the State, which, left unaddressed, will keep recurring until the issue of who owns our natural resources is properly addressed by constitutional amendment, anything short of which is merely tinkering with the symptoms of a carefully-laid flaw.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/analysis/eddie-hobbs-constitutional-betrayal-of-our-right-to-water-298453.html

Fuhrer

Grayson wrote: »

Whilst we're at it, can I get some cash back for all the feckers who water their lawns? I live in an apt and hardly use any.

If there's a charge, the fairest way is to charge proportionally.

Can I get cash back for all that Tax that went on healthcare and education last year?


I wasnt sick and ive finished education!

Kenny Logins

Grayson wrote: »

Whilst we're at it, can I get some cash back for all the feckers who water their lawns? I live in an apt and hardly use any.

If there's a charge, the fairest way is to charge proportionally.

Infrastructure is the major cost/expense, not the volume, and we all share that equally.

Daith

Daith wrote: »

Isn't it a rebate? I.e the bill will still be €173 and if you've paid the bill you get the rebate at the end?

Or does one person get the money up front?

Oh, I dunno. If that is the case, the person getting the rebate pays the extra perhaps?

Richard tea

ChippingSodbury wrote: »

Hi,

I'm fed up of this Paul Murphy and his Anti campaigns. I listened to him on Prime Time on Mon night and it wouldn't be that often I'd agree with anything that Gemma Hussey has to say but she called him a bully and I think that's exactly what he is.
Brendan Ogle is another guy who is anti everything. He started off (in the media!) as the guy who set up the Irish Locomotive Drivers Association because he didn't want to be part of the NBRU and wanted to be treated differently. He held the public to ransom with the threat of strike action. Same thing when he went to ESB group of unions: the threat of power cuts loomed large last year and this year. Now I see he's the front man in some other Anti water organisation.

I thought we lived in a democracy: we have a right to vote for whomever we want to represent us. Mob rule is not democracy and holding protests to stop people going about their work or whatever is not acceptable. Peaceful protest should be a show of numbers etc. who support whatever cause happens to be in question, whether it be Irish Water or any other bone of contention. A peaceful protest does not have the right to disrupt law-abiding citizens from going about their daily business. If there are enough people in a show of numbers on a protest, it should be enough to get the message across.

The people who organise these protests should be responsible for the actions of attendees at the protest and shold provide stewarding etc. or whatever is necessary to ensure that scenes like happened on Saturday cannot happen. Mr Murphy was on the radio just today launching another Anti something and when asked would be apologise to the tanaiste, he said 'No'. So, in his eyes, it's perfectly acceptable for him to go around organising rabbles to take the law into their own hands and treat fellow-elected politicians to physical and verbal abuse. This is not democracy; this is mob rule; I, for one, don't want any part of it and I'm sure there are lots more out there who feel the same.

We will get our chance to cast our vote when the next election comes around. Everybody then has a say on whether they want new representation or agree with the present shower. Isn't this a better way than being "led" by a rabble forcing people into submission/ stopping them doing their job/ going about their daily business?

I will be paying for water when the bill comes because I think it's the right thing to do. Anything you get for nothing has no value. If water meters make people think about how they use water, then it can only be a good thing. How many people here brush their teeth and leave the tap running while brushing? If we're not metered, why would we bother turning off the tap?

Before you start:
I'm not in any way connected with Irish Water (other than a user of water)
I'm not in any way connected with the Socialist Part (and will be keeping it that way :pac:)
I'm not in any way connected with any other political party/ grouping
I'm an ordinary working-class taxpayer

You strike me as someone that will vote FF or FG for life no matter what. So your opinion means nothing to me. That will be all.

Daith

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Oh, I dunno. If that is the case, the person getting the rebate pays the extra perhaps?

Yeah...assuming that person knows they will be staying in their rented/shared accom for the full year and not moving to another place where they won't be the PPS person.

Hmm, anyway I'm sure the Government have thought about this and it will be a non-issue.

Timberrrrrrrr

conditioned games wrote: »

So we should now be putting people in jail whose businesses fail and cant meet tax liabilities to revenue? Fcuk the s*um bag protestors into jail that seek to attack contractors installing water meters and doing their job.

Lol at you trying to paint him as some Robin Hood figure, He knowingly cheated revenue and therefore broke the law so should have been punished for it! As for the "protesters" attacking the water meter installers, i would have no problem with them being jailed if they break the law.