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Tinkersbell

Plates wrote: »

To be replaced by who in the next Government? And a proper answer please, not just the usual "any bunch of monkeys would be better than that shower". Really think about it. Sinn Fein and a load of independents?

I reckon the next government will be either FF/FG or FF/SF.

Plates

Tinkersbell wrote: »

I reckon the next government will be either FF/FG or FF/SF.

I reckon FF/FG. Would be appropriate for them to be reunited for the 2016 anniversary. If Sinn Fein got in they'd go the same way as Labour. No real ideas in opposition and no backbone in Government.

shinzon

Is there anyone else the pro water side want to attack in here, weve had dissident unemployed scummers, weve had apparently terrosrist women flinging themselves in front of government cars who if she'd been shot no one would have lost sleep over and now we have pensioners and there pensions.

Kinda shooting yourselves in the foot on that one seens as youll be retiring and will need that to survive on.

So im just wondering anyone else on the list that ye need to get off your chests that you've had pent up for ages and now have the perfect oppurtunity to vent

Shin

Streetwalker

Plates wrote: »

To be replaced by who in the next Government? And a proper answer please, not just the usual "any bunch of monkeys would be better than that shower". Really think about it. Sinn Fein and a load of independents?

FF/FG and Labour have all failed when called upon by the people. I'm ready to give SF and the Independents the chance to prove their worth now.

Plates

shinzon wrote: »

Is there anyone else the pro water side want to attack in here, weve had dissident unemployed scummers, weve had apparently terrosrist women flinging themselves in front of government cars who if she'd been shot no one would have lost sleep over and now we have pensioners and there pensions.

Kinda shooting yourselves in the foot on that one seens as youll be retiring and will need that to survive on.

So im just wondering anyone else on the list that ye need to get off your chests that you've had pent up for ages and now have the perfect oppurtunity to vent

Shin

Sensationalist exaggerators?
One Trick Pony Socialists?

JRant

Kelly on Radio 1 with the scaremongering already.

Landlords to be IW debt collectors.

AnPost to organise payment plans for those who can't pay.

DSP to look after €100 grant.

Leen's may be put on house if there is non-payment.

€30 fine for non-payment of bill.

So in order for IW to function we'll need; the court services, AnPost and DSP.
Its an unholy mess.

Streetwalker

JRant wrote: »

Kelly on Radio 1 with the scaremongering already.

Landlords to be IW debt collectors.

AnPost to organise payment plans for those who can't pay.

DSP to look after €100 grant.

Leen's may be put on house if there is non-payment.

€30 fine for non-payment of bill.

So in order for IW to function we'll need; the court services, AnPost and DSP.
Its an unholy mess.

Excellent. This is playing our prefect for the we won't pay side. It's like the government have a playbook on screwing things up and they are reading it line by line.

renegademaster

Plates wrote: »

To be replaced by who in the next Government? And a proper answer please, not just the usual "any bunch of monkeys would be better than that shower". Really think about it. Sinn Fein and a load of independents?

the issue is not who gets into power, it's the civil service that run the show anyway. this issue is whether the Irish people will stay engaged with politics after the vote because if they right back to sleep when they home from the ballot box we are doomed to allow corruption a free reign all over again

JRant wrote: »

Kelly on Radio 1 with the scaremongering already.

Landlords to be IW debt collectors.

AnPost to organise payment plans for those who can't pay.

DSP to look after €100 grant.

Leen's may be put on house if there is non-payment.

€30 fine for non-payment of bill.

So in order for IW to function we'll need; the court services, AnPost and DSP.
Its an unholy mess.

nobody should be listening to these inept fools any longer!

dxhound2005

JRant wrote: »

Kelly on Radio 1 with the scaremongering already.

Landlords to be IW debt collectors.

AnPost to organise payment plans for those who can't pay.

DSP to look after €100 grant.

Leen's may be put on house if there is non-payment.

€30 fine for non-payment of bill.

So in order for IW to function we'll need; the court services, AnPost and DSP.
Its an unholy mess.

Nothing to do with An Post. Anyone paying bills can pay small amounts off them (as low as €5) through an Post. Works for ESB, Eircom, property tax etc, no reason IW bill can't be on same system.

gladrags

Plates wrote: »

To be replaced by who in the next Government? And a proper answer please, not just the usual "any bunch of monkeys would be better than that shower". Really think about it. Sinn Fein and a load of independents?

What alternitaves can you come up with?

And there are alternitaves.

Many

LuckyLloyd

JRant wrote: »

Kelly on Radio 1 with the scaremongering already.

Landlords to be IW debt collectors.

AnPost to organise payment plans for those who can't pay.

DSP to look after €100 grant.

Leen's may be put on house if there is non-payment.

€30 fine for non-payment of bill.

So in order for IW to function we'll need; the court services, AnPost and DSP.
Its an unholy mess.

That seems an interesting strategy by Kelly in line with the public confirmation that 'those who won't pay won't suffer any loss of service' he delivered a few weeks ago.

Pressure - it forces mistakes.

Keep squeezing. Don't pay.

Stargate

JRant wrote: »

Kelly on Radio 1 with the scaremongering already.

Landlords to be IW debt collectors.

AnPost to organise payment plans for those who can't pay.

DSP to look after €100 grant.

Leen's may be put on house if there is non-payment.

€30 fine for non-payment of bill.

So in order for IW to function we'll need; the court services, AnPost and DSP.
Its an unholy mess.

All the while saying "To be Frank "

Tell the truth for once " To be Frank we are a bunch of morons ".

AboutaWeekAgo

AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

Could you enlighten me as to how old people use less water?

Joan Burton said "older people use less water - they're out more" Check the clip!

out where???? Partying, nightclubs, pilates - where??? what on earth did she mean by that?

Fuhrer

Fuhrer wrote: »

Presumably you have some limits on what you'll be willing to pay for water charges though?

Presumably I do but being honest I don't know what my limit is.

smash

Newstalk just said on the news that even if IW make the 500m that Joan stated, they'll need at least twice that before an auditor would mark them as being independent so they can go to markets to borrow. So it'll be another 500m minimum government funding. Good money after bad, the company is as toxic as Anglo.

Phoebas

Deleted User wrote: »

Joan Burton said "older people use less water - they're out more" Check the clip!

That quote didn't appear in the clip.

JRant

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Nothing to do with An Post. Anyone paying bills can pay small amounts off them (as low as €5) through an Post. Works for ESB, Eircom, property tax etc, no reason IW bill can't be on same system.

So AnPost do this for free do they?

Leroy42

Are we supposed to pay per quarter, but wait until Sept at the earliest to get any rebate? Why is a single person being asked to pay a net of 60 but a couple with kids (which are therefore free) being asked to pay 160.

Why is everybody talking about the net charges. IW have actually increased the charges. They were supposed to be 248, now they are 260. The house allowance has been done away with (30k litres), so now nobody gets any free water (except children). I thought the allowance was because they accepted that we all require a basic level of water to live. Is that not the case anymore?

Labour fought hard to do away with a standing charge, yet now their own minister has put a standing charge of at least 160 on each house in the country. Don't actually use any water, well still have to pay the 160.

Or based on the gross, one person is 160, yet two or more are only 100 more? Doesn't make any sense.

How much will the roll out of the new rebate system cost the state? Will new consultants needs to be brought in to change the IT systems.

Who is going to fund the audit of the information?

Effectively Landlords will be required to charge the yearly water fee up front and then claim the household allowance themselves. If they expect the landlords to pay for any unpaid fees, then it is the only worable solution. Of course they could charge the tennts the 260, return the form for 160 and claim the 100.

gandalf

TBH they could reduce the charge to €1 now and I still wouldn't pay. Why would you stop putting the boot in when they are on the retreat. It's time to keep the pressure up and push home the advantage!

Red Pepper

Denis O’Brien, Ireland’s second most famous tax exile, bought Siteserv, a company that specialises in installing water meters, from the Irish Bank Resolution Corporation (a state-owned zombie bank) shortly before winning three separate contracts – each worth €62m – to install water meters on behalf of the state. Before the deal, Siteserv owed the IBRC (i.e. the Irish citizenry) €144m. O’Brien purchased the company for a mere €45m, while the state writing off the €100m difference – even though his offer wasn’t the highest bid received.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/01/30/thicker-than-uisce/

Red Pepper

John Tierney, managing director of Irish Water, caused outrage when he let slip the bonus scheme for the semi-state company’s employees, which could see them earning up to 14% extra on top of their salaries even if their performance is under par. Tierney himself was once the Dublin City Manager, and he was responsible for wasting €96m on the Poolbeg incinerator project, before being promoted into his current position.

Red Pepper

Both Jerry Grant, Irish Water’s head of asset management, and Elizabeth Arnett, head of communications and corporate services, previously worked for RPS Group, a consultancy firm that had advised the state in the setting up of Irish Water – part of a consultancy package that has so far cost the state €85m. RPS also made some €30m out of its consultancy contract on the Poolbeg project, a contract the European Commission described as “an illegal situation.”

Chinasea

gandalf wrote: »

TBH they could reduce the charge to €1 now and I still wouldn't pay.

That is the problem, no matter what, there are people who just want to skive.

I believe we should ALL pay for water consumption. No waivers either. What incentive is there to stop people wasting. If you don't pay your water consumption, your "free" supply should be reduced to a mere trickle (if even). Water does need to be collected, cleaned and piped to your kitchen sink.

If you don't want to pay for the service than collect the water yourself. I don't agree with the way Irish Water was set up, and I don't agree with how much consultants, judges, lawyers, CEO's of charities, top civil servants and so on. but that is a SEPARATE issue.

ThinkAboutIt

Happy with €160 a year for unlimited water. Great value for the service. I'm sure there's a lot of things people waste €3.08 a week on, I'd much rather not get one pint every two weeks and use the money for unlimited water at home, far healthier too!

gladrags

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Joan Burton said "older people use less water - they're out more" Check the clip!

out where???? Partying, nightclubs, pilates - where??? what on earth did she mean by that?

Older people do use less water,not sure why,more conservative.?

Not sure if she said they are out more.

Could be wrong.

Phoebas

Red Pepper wrote: »

Both Jerry Grant, Irish Water’s head of asset management, and Elizabeth Arnett, head of communications and corporate services, previously worked for RPS Group, a consultancy firm that had advised the state in the setting up of Irish Water – part of a consultancy package that has so far cost the state €85m. RPS also made some €30m out of its consultancy contract on the Poolbeg project, a contract the European Commission described as “an illegal situation.”

Irish Water are employing people with experience in water service consultancy?
That's awful! :rolleyes:

ThinkAboutIt

If you didn't buy a newspaper three days a week, you would have enough money to pay for unlimited water for the year.

If you took one less Dublin Bus journey a week and walked instead, you would have enough money to pay for unlimited water for the year.

I could go on. People are being totally unreasonable about this. You just can't talk sense into them it seems.

LuckyLloyd

gandalf wrote: »

TBH they could reduce the charge to €1 now and I still wouldn't pay. Why would you stop putting the boot in when they are on the retreat. It's time to keep the pressure up and push home the advantage!

Absolutely correct. I fear it will placate many however.

smash

They keep banging on about boil water notices and the figure they just gave was 20,000 houses across the country. Going by the 2013 figures (1658243 households), that's only 1.21%. That's not the end of the world and it's something that councils should be talking where possible, but in some cases it can't be fixed and even Irish water can't make it better.

Another point that I'd like someone to try and explain is the point being made about waste sewage being dumped in to the water supply. Surely this is not Irish Water's responsibility? It's a sewage issue for local councils!

Phoebas

Phoebas wrote: »

Irish Water are employing people with experience in water service consultancy?
That's awful! :rolleyes:

What experience is this now?