IW/Anything Water Related-Warning in OP

moxin

By the way, the actual numbers who have fully complied is still a state secret. Today IW boss Tierney said "they had received 870,000 responses from householders." Thats responses including those who wrote "no contract no consent", not actual registrations for billing.

I think why the govt climbed down over this issue is that firstly because of the huge protests and secondly, only a minority had actually fully complied to register, that is those who fully filled out their forms, an unknown number as IW has not released this actual number yet.

Allyall

Dean0088 wrote: »

I thought the "it falls from the sky" argument had been put to bed. If you want to slurp your water out of a puddle with the rats then go ahead.

As for your second point re population size - ever heard of scales of economies?

You've actually no idea what you're talking about here do you? And agreeing with water charges "in theory" is just another way of saying you dislike the government, isn't it?

I wasn't referring to it falling from the sky, and was going to point that out, but didn't think I'd need to. Also, in that instance, what i said is quite relevant.
You think that the operation to fix and install our systems should cost more per head here than anywhere else in Europe? I think not.
I don't need other ways to say i dislike the Government, do I? If I disliked the government or a particular member, I'd have no issue in saying so.

I'll ignore your other point.

DamagedTrax

Allyall wrote: »

I wasn't referring to it falling from the sky, and was going to point that out, but didn't think I'd need to.Also, in that instance, what i said is quite relevant.
You think that the operation to fix and install our systems should cost more per head here than anywhere else in Europe? I think not.
I don't need other ways to say i dislike the Government, do I? If I disliked the government or a particular member, I'd have no issue in saying so.

I'll ignore your other point.

also, if water is now a commodity, why the hell arent we selling our excess off to countries that need it? put that money back in the infrastructure.

Fuhrer

Dean0088 wrote: »

As for your second point re population size - ever heard of scales of economies?

You mean economies of scale?

gladrags

Phoebas wrote: »

I won’t have difficulties paying this bill
18%
I will struggle a little but I will be ok
38%
I will have huge difficulty paying this bill
31%
I refuse to pay this
13%

I said that "as far as I am aware" most people had difficulties,which they have.

This is based on the overall stats,not selective stats.

gandalf

So how are things in #Isiswater land tonight?

Fukuyama

Fuhrer wrote: »

You mean economies of scale?

D'oh!

Red Pepper

Fuhrer wrote: »

You mean economies of scale?

only is there is a lot of lime...

Fukuyama

Allyall wrote: »

I wasn't referring to it falling from the sky, and was going to point that out, but didn't think I'd need to. Also, in that instance, what i said is quite relevant.
You think that the operation to fix and install our systems should cost more per head here than anywhere else in Europe? I think not.
I don't need other ways to say i dislike the Government, do I? If I disliked the government or a particular member, I'd have no issue in saying so.

I'll ignore your other point.

You actually have zero point to make though, don't you? I've yet to see you make one.

I do think it would cost more (per head) to install water meters in Ireland and fix the infrastructure.

This is because as a small country we buy less water meters (so they cost more per unit).

It also makes sense because our water infrastructure is in ruins. Dublin has pipes over a hundred years old that are crumbling. This, as opposed to every other country that has water charges like Germany, the UK and Denmark where they've had the money to upgrade theirs over the past century.

Don't give me the "I pay for it in my taxes line". If you think Ireland's tax is too high take a look at other EU nations. I think you'll discover we pay a lot less than most.

I would ask WHY you think Ireland is a super special exception to basic principles of business and economics but I think it's fairly obvious you don't know.

Highflyer13

gandalf wrote: »

So how are things in #Isiswater land tonight?

I hear it wasn't ISIS but the Tallaghtban that attacked Joan.

dxhound2005

I read my meter yesterday. 37 days, one tenth of a year from it was installed. I have used 2350 litres, which would work out at 23,500 in a year.

Did anyone else here with a meter take a reading?

Sobko

Local authorities brought in 100's of millions in development levies during the boom. The government brought in billions during the boom in VAT and Stamp Duty from the housing boom. Where was the investment in upgrading the water infrastructure then?

Allyall

Dean0088 wrote: »

You actually have zero point to make though, don't you? I've yet to see you make one.

I do think it would cost more (per head) to install water meters in Ireland and fix the infrastructure.

This is because as a small country we buy less water meters (so they cost more per unit).

It also makes sense because our water infrastructure is in ruins. Dublin has pipes over a hundred years old that are crumbling. This, as opposed to every other country that has water charges like Germany, the UK and Denmark where they've had the money to upgrade theirs over the past century.

If you think Ireland's tax is too high take a look at other EU nations. I think you'll discover we pay a lot less than most.

I would ask WHY you think Ireland is a super special exception to basic principles of business and economics but I think it's fairly obvious you don't know.

I won't get sucked in, but any chance you yourself are in politics? Posting words for me

Don't give me the "I pay for it in my taxes line".

When/where did I say anything like that?

and not asking me questions that I never so much as even implied it was my opinion or thought.

I would ask WHY you think Ireland is a super special exception to basic principles of business and economics but I think it's fairly obvious you don't know.

When did I say or think that for you not to ask me?

And that's after you had 15 minutes to look over any of my posts.
I won't do you the same honour, as I'm pretty sure it's just attacking people that don't agree with you.

Pocoyo

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I read my meter yesterday. 37 days, one tenth of a year from it was installed. I have used 2350 litres, which would work out at 23,500 in a year.

Did anyone else here with a meter take a reading?

Mines in 2 months and it says i used 11000 litres i have a 5min shower every day brush my teeth and half fill my kettle once a day i maybe use a litre of water to wash my dishes the rest of the time im in work and i live alone. :eek:

Banjo String

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I read my meter yesterday. 37 days, one tenth of a year from it was installed. I have used 2350 litres, which would work out at 23,500 in a year.

Did anyone else here with a meter take a reading?

How many live in your house?

Also, getting into winter, less gardening, watering flowers, etc.

heyjude

Anyone else notice that the free water allowance of 30,000 Litres per household plus 21,000 Litres per child, which was announced by the government on May 6th last, before the local elections (www.rte.ie/news/2014/0506/615424-water-charges/ ), has now been abolished ?

It amounts to fraud by Irish Water and the government as we were told that every household would get a free allowance of 30,000 and you needed to register with Irish Water by 31st Oct / 30th Nov to get your free allowance. My elderly mother took the threats that if you didn't register you would lose your free allowance and she registered solely to claim her free allowance of 30,000 Litres(worth €146.40 at €4.88 per 1000 litres). Now she finds having listened to the government and registered by the deadline, that there is no free allowance, she gets a €100 grant instead, so those same 30,000 litres will now cost a net €11 (30 times the €3.70 per 1,000 litre charge minus the €100 grant). She feels extremely angry about having been fooled into registering based on what are now broken promises and is determined to attend the protest march in Dublin now.

Personally if given a choice I'd much prefer the free allowance of 30,000 Litres plus 21k per child, than any small reduction in the fee per 1000 litres and have to pay on every litre. As with the free allowance having been removed, yesterdays so called concessions will end up costing me a lot.

Without the free allowances, the latest pricing announcements are extremely clever price increases dressed up as price cuts.

I always expected that the free allowance would be abolished eventually, but even I didn't consider that they'd be brazen enough to abolish them before a single water bill has been sent out. So much for pre-election promises then.

The abolition of the free water allowance will hit families with children very hard when the capped period is over(which they say will be 2019, but remember what they said about free allowances and they barely last six months)

And they wonder why we don't trust them ? :rolleyes: We'd definitely be among the households that will be paying much more for our water after yesterday and after the 2016 General Election when they will probably remove the capped water charges(no matter what they say now), I'd say the charges will be multiples of what they are now promising.

A number of examples of how the abolition of the free allowances will cost you more are given here: www.moneyguideireland.com/category/water-charges

Red Pepper

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Why are you asking me? I don't like the woman.

I wasn't asking you, I was asking the AH electorate.

Vote RPPP #1..."Dictatorship with a smile"

dxhound2005

Pocoyo wrote: »

Mines in 2 months and it says i used 11000 litres i have a 5min shower every day brush my teeth and half fill my kettle once a day i maybe use a litre of water to wash my dishes the rest of the time im in work and i live alone. :eek:

That's 177 litres a day (62 days?) which seems a lot. Have you any idea how much water per shower?

Fukuyama

Allyall wrote: »

I won't get sucked in, but any chance you yourself are in politics? Posting words for me

When/where did I say anything like that?

and not asking me questions that I never so much as even implied it was my opinion or thought.


When did I say or think that for you not to ask me?

And that's after you had 15 minutes to look over any of my posts.
I won't do you the same honour, as I'm pretty sure it's just attacking people that don't agree with you.

You've made several points about water infrastructure which anyone with two brain cells could see are wrong. You also made reference to it raining in Ireland 350 days a year (which is incorrect. It's ~200) as though it had some relevance to the price being paid at the meters. It doesn't (except for extreme cases like California). You were just flapping your gums.

I don't think you fully appreciate or know how bad Ireland's water infrastructure is mainly because you believe Ireland should be able to fix it for less than other countries.

You make no sense.

I don't attack people who don't agree with me and I haven't attacked you. I'm just pointing out that your posts make zero sense.

And no, I don't work in politics. I wouldn't do their job for three times the salary.

yipeeeee

Dean0088 wrote: »

You've made several points about water infrastructure which anyone with two brain cells could see are wrong.

I don't think you fully appreciate or know how bad Ireland's water infrastructure is mainly because you believe Ireland should be able to fix it for less than other countries.

You make no sense.

I don't attack people who don't agree with me and I haven't attacked you. I'm just pointing out that your posts make zero sense.

And no, I don't work in politics. I wouldn't do their job for three times the salary.

The leaks are so bad it would take 200 years to fix them at 300km of pipes a year.

But people are happy to let future generations sort this mess out.

Allyall

Dean0088 wrote: »

You actually have zero point to make though, don't you? I've yet to see you make one.

Dean0088 wrote: »

You've made several points about water infrastructure which anyone with two brain cells could see are wrong.

Both are incorrect.

As for the raining in Ireland statement, yes, that was me just 'flapping my gums'. It's also worth pointing out that I was not using that as a reason not to pay water charges.

Fukuyama

yipeeeee wrote: »

The leaks are so bad it would take 200 years to fix them at 300km of pipes a year.

But people are happy to let future generations sort this mess out.

In the past five years Dublin's water system took a beating due to cold weather. If it's not upgraded soon there is a very real chance of not having a functioning water system within a decade in the capital city of a western nation.

If it wasn't for Guinness delivering tankers of water to neighbourhoods in Dublin in 2011 when the army didn't have enough tankers to do the job, there could have been a serious crisis.

But sure, the AAA crowd would rather increase the dole to win a populist vote than actually run a modern country. :rolleyes:

Fukuyama

Allyall wrote: »

Both are incorrect.

As for the raining in Ireland statement, yes, that was me just 'flapping my gums'. It's also worth pointing out that I was not using that as a reason not to pay water charges.

So you have a point to make, but instead make silly ones and keep your actual points all to yourself on a public discussion forum.

Right.

DamagedTrax

Dean0088 wrote: »

But sure, the AAA crowd would rather increase the dole to win a populist vote than actually run a modern country. :rolleyes:

wut?

what AAA member has claimed that they would rather increase the dole than actually run a modern country? (ignoring the fact that to increase the dole, they would infact have to be running a modern country)

moxin

An "ISIS member" in Clare certainly knows the law regarding water meter installations, fair play to her
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152883806732490&set=vb.773492489&type=2&theater

RobertKK

Noel Coonan spoke the truth about the socialist party. They never cared that rural people always paid for water.
Now we are finally getting €100 towards the cost and these parasites as he called them are against it.

DamagedTrax

RobertKK wrote: »

Noel Coonan spoke the truth about the socialist party. They never cared that rural people always paid for water.
Now we are finally getting €100 towards the cost and these parasites as he called them are against it.

that man is an idiot following in the shoes of idiots before him. no matter what side i was on i'd be ignoring his outbursts.

Banjo String

RobertKK wrote: »

Noel Coonan spoke the truth about the socialist party. They never cared that rural people always paid for water.
Now we are finally getting €100 towards the cost and these parasites as he called them are against it.

You're easily pleased tbh.

Don't spend it all at once/ wisely.

Chucken

moxin wrote: »

An "ISIS member" in Clare certainly knows the law regarding water meter installations, fair play to her
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152883806732490&set=vb.773492489&type=2&theater

Thats the way most protests are going. No shouting and acting the tit.
But of course the quiet ones dont make the news.

foggy_lad

Chucken wrote: »

Thats the way most protests are going. No shouting and acting the tit.
But of course the quiet ones dont make the news.

speaking of news, RTE seem to be very one sided in their news coverage of Irish Water events especially the protests. they had several on the "for" side on the news tonight but nobody from the against camp to balance things!