IW/Anything Water Related-Warning in OP

Daith

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Have you ever heard the term 'shift work' or 'day off'.

Your insinuation that all protesters are unemployed is about as pathetic as your Dear Leader.

In fairness, all reasonable people are working today.

Tinkersbell

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C10bE4yGPMw

ROTFL.
Enda and Joan.
The guy at the end is any one of the pro water tax lads on this site.
Classic:D

bodice ripper

hmmm wrote: »

It's good to see so many people have so much free time on a working day.

So what you're saying is imagine how big these protests would be if they included people who had to be at work?

Leslie91

hmmm wrote: »

It's good to see so many people have so much free time on a working day.

Yeah and sure the phones they have probably put Hollywood in the h'penny place too eh?

hmmm

hmmm wrote: »

It's good to see so many people have so much free time on a working day.

With the implication being that those who are posting are unemployed, and therefore scrounging off the state?

Nice try at subtle class distinction as a way to try and invalidate people's opinions, rather than arguing the case either way.

I am on a week off.

Highflyer13

Red Pepper wrote: »

Please reply to my post so I can see what I am replying to.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93125664&postcount=2305

Fine Gael’s Fergus O’Dowd, who helped set up Irish Water, claimed yesterday it is carrying 2,000 staff that are simply not needed.He added: “There are four-and-a-half thousand workers in Irish Water. They may be at least 1,000 overstaffed, maybe 2,000, overstaffed. “But those people had jobs already and if they can’t be deployed in local government we have to offer a constructive way to get them off the payroll.


Overstaffing by 2000 people is a lot of wasted payroll.

I don't have the payroll details but the fact that most are are longterm local authority employees, they have a rediculous bonus scheme and based off the starting salaries of the top men I would suggest that many people in IW are endemically overpaid. One graduate case does not prove me wrong.

Are the meter installers working for GMC Sierra and the likes included in them figures?

Marion Morrison

I'm wodering what the point of protesting now is ?

Irish water, its agenda, and its plans, and who stands to benefit, were obvious at the very least 3-4 years ago.

The relevant cronies, companies, directors and shareholders, from contractors to suppliers, to ministers with massive pensions for life from Ireland and Europe, are set up and sorted for life.

This golden goose is a done deal.

ThunbergsAreGo

What would the protesters actually like to see happen?

ThinkAboutIt

ThinkAboutIt wrote: »

If you think Enda's sums are bad. Wait until you see Sinn Feins magical money tree sums.

Yes, let's at least give them a go. Surely if they are as bad as you say they are, then it will be only a matter of time before they get voted out and never given another chance, right?

Caliden

Daith wrote: »

In fairness, all reasonable people are working today.

I think you should probable add /s to that or a smiley so people get it

Specialun

hmmm wrote: »

It's good to see so many people have so much free time on a working day.

Lol..is that you Joan?

What a trolling post

Fukuyama

gladrags wrote: »

I have read the article,it is another opinion.

You can take or leave it, no agenda,no big deal.

See you on December 10th

That article was the first bit of logical, rational commentary I've read on the water issue so far.

And I'll fully admit that I can be over zealous in defending my stance on the issue.

There's obvious anger towards FG/Lab in this country but the anti-water crowd are bolstering their argument with nonsense in order to secure power for themselves. I've yet to hear Paul Murphy sting together a single sentence in the Dáil that contains actual workable policy or plans. He adopts an opposite opinion to the government to ride this wave of (quite justified) anger.

I'm not afraid or intimidated by even the most violent of protesters. Anyone looking into Ireland from the outside would see these incidents as the small PR stunts that they are. They're illegal and unjustifiable (especially last Saturday), but they're small.

What I AM afraid of is the hard-left in Ireland actually securing power by securing the angry vote (which they're doing).

For all the anti-Irish water talk we've had on Boards and elsewhere there's very little talk on what would happen after a GE where these guys get into power. They can abolish Irish water - no skin off my nose and one less bill. It's what they'd have to impose on the country to bring about their socialist dreams that's terrifying.

ThinkAboutIt

naughtb4 wrote: »

What would the protesters actually like to see happen?

They pay for nothing. And, er, er, er, everything is free.

Tinkersbell

Tinkersbell wrote: »

I have never seen anything like this in Ireland in my 46 years on this planet.

Doesn't that tell you something about how pathetic we are as a country? If a few hundred people shouting in protest make you so dumbstruck, then that illustrates how under the heel of the establishment we have always been.

Woodville56

Red Pepper wrote: »

Please reply to my post so I can see what I am replying to.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93125664&postcount=2305

Fine Gael’s Fergus O’Dowd, who helped set up Irish Water, claimed yesterday it is carrying 2,000 staff that are simply not needed.He added: “There are four-and-a-half thousand workers in Irish Water. They may be at least 1,000 overstaffed, maybe 2,000, overstaffed. “But those people had jobs already and if they can’t be deployed in local government we have to offer a constructive way to get them off the payroll.


Overstaffing by 2000 people is a lot of wasted payroll.

I don't have the payroll details but the fact that most are are longterm local authority employees, they have a rediculous bonus scheme and based off the starting salaries of the top men I would suggest that many people in IW are endemically overpaid. One graduate case does not prove me wrong.

Nor does citing a few fat cat executive salaries in IW prove that all their employees are "endemically overpaid"'
My question was, do you consider someone on a basic salary of just over €32k to be overpaid ?

mikom

hmmm wrote: »

It's good to see so many people have so much free time on a working day.

Arbeit macht frei

Satriale

ThinkAboutIt wrote: »

Funny how they're blaming FG! :pac:

You really think there's a difference?

ThunbergsAreGo

Woodville56 wrote: »

Nor does citing a few fat cat executive salaries in IW prove that all their employees are "endemically overpaid"'
My question was, do you consider someone on a basic salary of just over €32k to be overpaid ?

IW was clearly used as a dumping ground to get rid of unwanted staff by other agencies

Fukuyama

naughtb4 wrote: »

What would the protesters actually like to see happen?

A reversal of IW. We need water charges in this country where people pay for what they use. Continuing to allow a minority of tax payers to pay for a huge public infrastructure system that's in desperate need of repairs cannot continue into the future. It just can't.

Far left TDs and activists are stoking up this anger and causing PR stunts to get themselves in the limelight. They want power. What'd happen if they actually got it hasn't even been thought of, let alone discussed by the anti-IW crowd.

Red Pepper

Woodville56 wrote: »

Nor does citing a few fat cat executive salaries in IW prove that all their employees are "endemically overpaid"'
My question was, do you consider someone on a basic salary of just over €32k to be overpaid ?

My answer to your single case is No.

http://www.thejournal.ie/29-irish-water-staff-are-earning-over-e100000-1279724-Jan2014/

TOP STAFF IN Irish Water will be paid over €3 million a year, new figures have revealed.

Figures released to Labour Party TD Kevin Humphreys show that 29 staff at the water body earn over €100,000 and that nearly 100 staff could earn 15 per cent of their salaries in pay-related bonuses. The figures reveal that there are 310 staff at Irish Water, with more than half, 166, coming from either Bord Gáis or local authorities.

In terms of pay, the majority of staff earn under €70,000, but 127 over that amount.

One member of staff is not entitled to performance related bonuses, but 94 are eligible for either 14 or 15 per cent of their salary.

Humphreys asked Hogan for details of staff eligible for car allowances, with the answer revealing that 27 senior managers were given €10,500 a year for using their cars on the job.
A further nine regional managers are given leased cars “on the basis that they are on-call and may be required to travel twenty four hours a day, seven days a week”.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/irish-water-to-pay-9000-bonus-to-staff-in-need-of-improvement-30676922.html

This means that senior management on more than €90,000 would still get 9pc of their salary or about €9,000 in extra payment even if they are adjudged to need improvement.

This is one utility company in one small country.

Fuhrer

Woodville56 wrote: »

Nor does citing a few fat cat executive salaries in IW prove that all their employees are "endemically overpaid"'
My question was, do you consider someone on a basic salary of just over €32k to be overpaid ?

32k is a basic salary?

omega man

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes, let's at least give them a go. Surely if they are as bad as you say they are, then it will be only a matter of time before they get voted out and never given another chance, right?

Whatever about their ability to implement political reform I would have serious reservations on their ability to maintain and continue our economic growth. I don't believe it's as simple as give SF a chance and see what happens.

ThunbergsAreGo

Red Pepper wrote: »

My answer to your single case is No.

http://www.thejournal.ie/29-irish-water-staff-are-earning-over-e100000-1279724-Jan2014/

TOP STAFF IN Irish Water will be paid over €3 million a year, new figures have revealed.

Figures released to Labour Party TD Kevin Humphreys show that 29 staff at the water body earn over €100,000 and that nearly 100 staff could earn 15 per cent of their salaries in pay-related bonuses. The figures reveal that there are 310 staff at Irish Water, with more than half, 166, coming from either Bord Gáis or local authorities.

In terms of pay, the majority of staff earn under €70,000, but 127 over that amount.

One member of staff is not entitled to performance related bonuses, but 94 are eligible for either 14 or 15 per cent of their salary.

Humphreys asked Hogan for details of staff eligible for car allowances, with the answer revealing that 27 senior managers were given €10,500 a year for using their cars on the job.
A further nine regional managers are given leased cars “on the basis that they are on-call and may be required to travel twenty four hours a day, seven days a week”.

This is one utility company in one small country.

Is there any information on what all these were paid prior to joining IW?

Woodville56

naughtb4 wrote: »

IW was clearly used as a dumping ground to get rid of unwanted staff by other agencies

So would you prefer to see them on the dole - more martyrs to the socialist cause ?

Fukuyama

Red Pepper wrote: »

My answer to your single case is No.

http://www.thejournal.ie/29-irish-water-staff-are-earning-over-e100000-1279724-Jan2014/

TOP STAFF IN Irish Water will be paid over €3 million a year, new figures have revealed.

Figures released to Labour Party TD Kevin Humphreys show that 29 staff at the water body earn over €100,000 and that nearly 100 staff could earn 15 per cent of their salaries in pay-related bonuses. The figures reveal that there are 310 staff at Irish Water, with more than half, 166, coming from either Bord Gáis or local authorities.

In terms of pay, the majority of staff earn under €70,000, but 127 over that amount.

One member of staff is not entitled to performance related bonuses, but 94 are eligible for either 14 or 15 per cent of their salary.

Humphreys asked Hogan for details of staff eligible for car allowances, with the answer revealing that 27 senior managers were given €10,500 a year for using their cars on the job.
A further nine regional managers are given leased cars “on the basis that they are on-call and may be required to travel twenty four hours a day, seven days a week”.

This is one utility company in one small country.

Any idea what salaries for top directors is like in any other utility company here or elsewhere?

I suppose we should pay €60k a year? We'd attract Tesco store managers at best to run a state utility!

I'm against cronyism and jobs for the boys and I think anyone who would have failed in the private sector should be removed from their post in IW. But I agree with fair pay for the position.

€100k a year seems about right for heading up a state wide infrastructure project.

Dr. Mantis Toboggan

Fuhrer wrote: »

32k is a basic salary?

It's minimum wage according to our ruddy faced Fuhrer.

ThunbergsAreGo

Woodville56 wrote: »

So would you prefer to see them on the dole - more martyrs to the socialist cause ?

No actually, thats not what I was saying.

Alot of issues are around the high wages etc that IW staff are on. Without knowing what they were on prior, it is impossible to know the "cost" of these people.

For example if a staff member in a local authority is paid 70k and moves to IW and gets paid 70k, the net increase in "cost" is 0.

Satriale

Woodville56 wrote: »

So would you prefer to see them on the dole - more martyrs to the socialist cause ?

10k on the dole or 100k surfing porn at work, i know which i'd pick.

Fukuyama

Fuhrer wrote: »

32k is a basic salary?

Anyone with a degree and 3 years experience in certain fields (tech, accounting, pharma etc..) would see that as a basic salary. It's not a lot considering the cost of working in this country along with the tax you'd end up paying.

The hard left in Ireland won't be happy until everyone is on 20k a year, regardless of the time and money they've invested in their education careers or businesses.

Fukuyama

naughtb4 wrote: »

No actually, thats not what I was saying.

Alot of issues are around the high wages etc that IW staff are on. Without knowing what they were on prior, it is impossible to know the "cost" of these people.

For example if a staff member in a local authority is paid 70k and moves to IW and gets paid 70k, the net increase in "cost" is 0.

What if they moved to IW to do a more demanding job? For example, they might have been a mid-level manager in a county council but moved into a top position in IW. Surely (and legally) they should get a pay increase?