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Benteke

omega man wrote: »

I wonder were most Cork people more interested in the fact that Kenny was in town today for a 120 job announcement along with the 50M office development or the water protests.....??

Meanwhile I doubt these poor unfortunates are worrying about water rates.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1121/661637-homelessness-dublin/

I wonder do both our government and the people have their priorities wrong.

Pointless having jobs if all your earnings gets took away by lying theiving scum in suits

twowheelsgood

Tony EH wrote: »

Perhaps they will. But when it's explained to them that we already pay for water through our taxes

We do. And when we start to pay for water directly we will no longer pay though our taxes. Are there still some who can't grasp this? :eek:

gladrags

Streetwalker wrote: »

I'd go one further, I think if Adam's stepped aside or was pushed and Mary Lou became leader SF would be in government as the majority party after the next election.

The fear is palpable.

SaveOurLyric

Tony EH wrote: »

Perhaps they will. But when it's explained to them that we already pay for water through our taxes, they'll understand and unlike some on here...


...NOT KEEP REPEATING THE SAME FUCKING FALLACY ALL THE TIME

We do indeed pay for our water through out taxes. Which will make the whole how-do-you-do about only changing the method of payment seem even more bizarre to them. And feel pity for the Irish.

Tony EH

hmmm wrote: »

Informers this, blueshirts that. SF supporters are really going to drag this country into the 21st century aren't they?

:pac:

LOL, spoken like someone with their head still stuck in the past.

Pocoyo

Irish Water had NOTHING to do with getting Ireland a "world class" water network. Neither had it anything to do with "conservation" or "fixing the leaks".
It was purely a revenue generating measure so as to avoid having to face the REAL issue here:
That debt that the Troika have wrapped around our necks that they are forcing us to destroy this country so that it be paid down is the the problem.
We simply cannot repay an unplayable debt. It's not possible. The maths do not add up and either they are too stupid in Government to this fact or they know full well but are willing to sacrifice the State out of fear of actually having to demand the very thing they were elected to demand for and that is an immediate write down of this unplayable debt and the return of that €64 billion the ECB owes us for bailing out the banks.
That also need to demand that the Troika immediately ceases demanding the impossible enforcement of this "3% target at all costs" regime they have in place. We simply cannot reach it without destroying society in the process. The people simply will not allow it.
It cannot be done and if this resistance that they are now surprised by is anything to go by, then this is the early stages of it because the people will not stand for threats any longer.
To the Government from the Irish People: either **** or get off the pot. Do what you were elected to do and tell the Troika that enough is enough...

gladrags

Streetwalker wrote: »

I'd go one further, I think if Adam's stepped aside or was pushed and Mary Lou became leader SF would be in government as the majority party after the next election.

You mean "if only"

George Bush and Fox News mentality.

We are fu****,so we will f*** you.

Dark ages mentality.

twowheelsgood

Pocoyo wrote: »

Irish Water had NOTHING to do with getting Ireland a "world class" water network. Neither had it anything to do with "conservation" or "fixing the leaks".
It was purely a revenue generating measure so as to avoid having to face the REAL issue here:
That debt that the Troika have wrapped around our necks that they are forcing us to destroy this country so that it be paid down is the the problem.
We simply cannot repay an unplayable debt. It's not possible. The maths do not add up and either they are too stupid in Government to this fact or they know full well but are willing to sacrifice the State out of fear of actually having to demand the very thing they were elected to demand for and that is an immediate write down of this unplayable debt and the return of that €64 billion the ECB owes us for bailing out the banks.
That also need to demand that the Troika immediately ceases demanding the impossible enforcement of this "3% target at all costs" regime they have in place. We simply cannot reach it without destroying society in the process. The people simply will not allow it.
It cannot be done and if this resistance that they are now surprised by is anything to go by, then this is the early stages of it because the people will not stand for threats any longer.
To the Government from the Irish People: either **** or get off the pot. Do what you were elected to do and tell the Troika that enough is enough...

What about the 140 billion that we racked up by overspending and that has nothing do do with the banks. Do you think we can pay that?

BBJBIG

Pocoyo wrote: »

Irish Water had NOTHING to do with getting Ireland a "world class" water network. Neither had it anything to do with "conservation" or "fixing the leaks".
It was purely a revenue generating measure so as to avoid having to face the REAL issue here:
That debt that the Troika have wrapped around our necks that they are forcing us to destroy this country so that it be paid down is the the problem.
We simply cannot repay an unplayable debt. It's not possible. The maths do not add up and either they are too stupid in Government to this fact or they know full well but are willing to sacrifice the State out of fear of actually having to demand the very thing they were elected to demand for and that is an immediate write down of this unplayable debt and the return of that €64 billion the ECB owes us for bailing out the banks.
That also need to demand that the Troika immediately ceases demanding the impossible enforcement of this "3% target at all costs" regime they have in place. We simply cannot reach it without destroying society in the process. The people simply will not allow it.
It cannot be done and if this resistance that they are now surprised by is anything to go by, then this is the early stages of it because the people will not stand for threats any longer.
To the Government from the Irish People: either **** or get off the pot. Do what you were elected to do and tell the Troika that enough is enough...

Exactly.

There is the problem :-
http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2014/1121/661596-eu/

Fooook d'EU, ECB and IMF - we're done with it.

gladrags

twowheelsgood wrote: »

What about the 140 billion that we racked up by overspending and that has nothing do do with the banks. Do you think we can pay that?

Who do we owe it to?

Pocoyo

BBJBIG wrote: »

Exactly.

There is the problem :-
http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2014/1121/661596-eu/

The evidence is all too clear my friend.

I wish these FG sheeple would think of the life they are leaving to their children by supporting Kenny's puppet regime.

eug87

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Please consider carefully why you think either of the above would be any better than what you have voted for in the past. You will realise that there is no reason. So better off no wasting you vote on an independent whose only 'job' will be to rage on radio and TV shows (Vincent Browne collects them to toy with).

Well Its really a personal opinion how one can see a vote wasted.
Roisin Shortall I trust 100% she has ethics,stands by her principles and not motivated by money or power.

She stepped down from the position of jnr health minster (when she was only a few weeks away from a ministerial pension for life) after she felt her opinions and ideas were ignored her position was pointless with Reilly feathering his own nest building care units in his backyard.

I would consider voting Sinn fein If Mary lou mcDonald was leader.

Streetwalker

Pocoyo wrote: »

Irish Water had NOTHING to do with getting Ireland a "world class" water network. Neither had it anything to do with "conservation" or "fixing the leaks".
It was purely a revenue generating measure so as to avoid having to face the REAL issue here:
That debt that the Troika have wrapped around our necks that they are forcing us to destroy this country so that it be paid down is the the problem.
We simply cannot repay an unplayable debt. It's not possible. The maths do not add up and either they are too stupid in Government to this fact or they know full well but are willing to sacrifice the State out of fear of actually having to demand the very thing they were elected to demand for and that is an immediate write down of this unplayable debt and the return of that €64 billion the ECB owes us for bailing out the banks.
That also need to demand that the Troika immediately ceases demanding the impossible enforcement of this "3% target at all costs" regime they have in place. We simply cannot reach it without destroying society in the process. The people simply will not allow it.
It cannot be done and if this resistance that they are now surprised by is anything to go by, then this is the early stages of it because the people will not stand for threats any longer.
To the Government from the Irish People: either **** or get off the pot. Do what you were elected to do and tell the Troika that enough is enough...

Bingo.

SaveOurLyric

Pocoyo wrote: »

the REAL issue here:
That debt that the Troika have wrapped around our necks that they are forcing us to destroy this country so that it be paid down is the the problem.
We simply cannot repay an unplayable debt. It's not possible. The maths do not add up and either they are too stupid in Government to this fact or they know full well but are willing to sacrifice the State out of fear of actually having to demand the very thing they were elected to demand for and that is an immediate write down of this unplayable debt and the return of that €64 billion the ECB owes us for bailing out the banks.

Or.......and this is probably a bit of a left field one for you here : the IMF, the EU, the ECB, two governments, the Dept of Finance, and the Central Bank were...correct. And the maths do add up. And that you are the one who is wrong. Worth thinking about.

twowheelsgood

Pocoyo wrote: »

The evidence is all too clear my friend.

I wish these FG sheeple would think of the life they are leaving to their children by supporting Kenny's puppet regime.

If we had not reduced our deficit from 20 billion a few years ago to about 6 now we would have added another 100 billion or so to our national debt. A debt on which we are already paying about 8 billion a year in interest payments alone! :eek:

Yep, our children (and grandchildren!) would really thank us for bestowing that upon them!

omega man

Pocoyo wrote: »

The evidence is all too clear my friend.

I wish these FG sheeple would think of the life they are leaving to their children by supporting Kenny's puppet regime.

Probably a far better quality of life then 90% of the worlds current population of children. I'm not saying we accept things as they are but have a little perspective.

Phoebas

gladrags wrote: »

Who do we owe it to?

http://www.ntma.ie/business-areas/funding-and-debt-management/debt-profile/

Pocoyo

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Or.......and this is probably a bit of a left field one for you here : the IMF, the EU, the ECB, two governments, the Dept of Finance, and the Central Bank were...correct. And the maths do add up. And that you are the one who is wrong. Worth thinking about.

Is your name Lucifer by any chance?

AboutaWeekAgo

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Or.......and this is probably a bit of a left field one for you here : the IMF, the EU, the ECB, two governments, the Dept of Finance, and the Central Bank were...correct. And the maths do add up. And that you are the one who is wrong. Worth thinking about.

So the people who were getting all the money and want to keep getting all the money are right? Go figure.

gladrags

Phoebas wrote: »

http://www.ntma.ie/business-areas/funding-and-debt-management/debt-profile/

I said "we"

Streetwalker

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Or.......and this is probably a bit of a left field one for you here : the IMF, the EU, the ECB, two governments, the Dept of Finance, and the Central Bank were...correct. And the maths do add up. And that you are the one who is wrong. Worth thinking about.

People can't afford to pay bills even with two wages coming into their house and yet we have one of the highest rates of welfare and wages to politicians in the world.

The figures don't add up. We can't sustain the debt burden.

Busted Flat.

Pocoyo wrote: »

The evidence is all too clear my friend.

I wish these FG sheeple would think of the life they are leaving to their children by supporting Kenny's puppet regime.

They can't, you heard the spokesman for the government yesterday, they are fighting against ISIS. Where is Oliver J when we need him.

twowheelsgood

Streetwalker wrote: »

People can't afford to pay bills even with two wages coming into their house and yet we have one of the highest rates of welfare and wages to politicians in the world.

The figures don't add up. We can't sustain the debt burden.

So are you proposing we renege on our national debt?

Highflyer13

BBJBIG wrote: »

Exactly.

There is the problem :-
http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2014/1121/661596-eu/

Fooook d'EU, ECB and IMF - we're done with it.

Good luck with that. Lauded by the IMF and the patronising f**ks in the EU asking us to make further cuts while society suffers. God forbid one of these Troika lads needs to visit an Irish hospital while they are here, then maybe they will see the destruction that has been caused.

Enough is enough! Looks like we will never get out of their grips.

Red Pepper

twowheelsgood wrote: »

What about the 140 billion that we racked up by overspending and that has nothing do do with the banks. Do you think we can pay that?

Of course, that wasn't private bank debt, that was govt stupidity.

gladrags

omega man wrote: »

Probably a far better quality of life then 90% of the worlds current population of children. I'm not saying we accept things as they are but have a little perspective.

We have a population of app 5 million.

A sparsely populated country.Surrounded by resources plenty.

Well educated.

Why the homeless,the corrupt property market,and the chaotic health service.?

Why the third world croney political system.?

Why the mass corruption.?

twowheelsgood

Red Pepper wrote: »

Of course, that wasn't private bank debt, that was govt stupidity.

Well yes. I suppose you could blame successive governments and cheerfully ignore that we elect them!

Nevertheless, it is not sovereign debt (as is the bank debt for that matter). So what do we do? Renege?

Sobko

twowheelsgood wrote: »

What about the 140 billion that we racked up by overspending and that has nothing do do with the banks. Do you think we can pay that?

So your happy that government is wasting money and running up massive debts and have no problem giving them even more to waste. Your obviously not a fan of accountability.

If the Irish Government was a business it would have been already shut down.

Busted Flat.

300 women held a peaceful protest outside Tallaght Garda Station tonight. What do you think of that Joan.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2_oK8RCIAEJTwa.jpg

Highflyer13

Sinead O'Connor just made the revolution call on the late late:pac: