N86 - Tralee to Dingle [advance works ongoing for Phase 3]

ongarboy

http://www.radiokerry.ie/news/an-bord-pleanala-gives-go-ahead-to-e70-million-upgrade-of-main-dingle-tralee-road/

I couldn't see a thread on this forum already but good news this week on the go ahead given by ABP to the improvement of the N86 between Tralee (from Camp) and Dingle (28kms). There is already an improved short section near Annascaul that gives a flavour of how impressive, safe and attractive the new route will be for all road users (with dedicated paths for cyclists/walkers). It will also make Dingle far more accessible to the rest of Ireland. Delighted to hear this news!

Carawaystick

abp link
http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/HA0048.htm

Mc Love

Wish they did the other road from Castlemaine to dingle

munchkin_utd

Mc Love wrote: »

Wish they did the other road from Castlemaine to dingle

its not a national road so isnt a priority.

Mc Love

even some cat eyes in the road would make a huge difference

Kevwoody

€70 million on a road improvement out to a small town on a peninsula is a total joke, especially after the huge investment on the Tralee by-pass, another project which was never essential, and went €46 million OVER the original €26 million budget!

galwaycyclist

A profoundly ridiculous and flawed scheme especially the cycling component. They are planning to drive 28m wide corridor the length of the Dingle peninsula. Hopefully somebody may yet get sense and turn off the money.

JupiterKid

There's no doubt that the N86 needs improvement but what is the likely time line of this scheme? I presume it's to straighten and widen the existing route.

ciarriaithuaidh

As a Kerry person, this is great but there are projects not a million miles away that are far more in need..Macroom and Adare by passes for example.

lottpaul

The section from Annascaul to Lispole badly needs some work and there are a few death trap bends in Lougher too but I think the new section east of Annascaul is too wide and too instrusive. There's hardly a need for bicycle lanes on both sides? and even then there seems to be a lot of extra land taken beyond that. Is it certain that the new section will be a carbon copy of it or is that to be decided yet?
Also there's still a 7 or 8 week period of appeal before the permission becomes final and I'd say there's a good chance someone might lodge an objection.

blindsider

Seems like a lot of money for a 'relatively' quiet road.

BUT - I presume that this is part of the Wild Atlantic Way scheme.....

http://www.wildatlanticway.com/route

ongarboy

Kevwoody wrote: »

€70 million on a road improvement out to a small town on a peninsula is a total joke, especially after the huge investment on the Tralee by-pass, another project which was never essential, and went €46 million OVER the original €26 million budget!

Yes, but it's not just any random small town. Dingle is a premier tourist town as is the entire peninsula that gets 100Ks of tourists each year and the current road infrastructure is very poor for the volumes of buses/coaches/traffic it carries.

I agree with other poster however, who said Macroom or Adare should have been given priority before this, Tralee and Castleisland bypasses.

lottpaul

ongarboy wrote: »

Yes, but it's not just any random small town. Dingle is a premier tourist town as is the entire peninsula that gets 100Ks of tourists each year and the current road infrastructure is very poor for the volumes of buses/coaches/traffic it carries.

I agree with other poster however, who said Macroom or Adare should have been given priority before this, Tralee and Castleisland bypasses.

Agree totally with all - but would add that the Inch- Castlemaine road is going to seem like a goat track by comparison. It carries a large amount of the summer traffic, esp to/from Killarney but is quiet in winter.

Macroom is a nightmare and should be at the head of any list of schemes. Adare could have been done by now but is back in the queue. It should be an easy enough road to build though if/when a route is agreed.

Sadly neither is likely to be built in the very near future

Mc Love

blindsider wrote: »

Seems like a lot of money for a 'relatively' quiet road.

BUT - I presume that this is part of the Wild Atlantic Way scheme.....

http://www.wildatlanticway.com/route

Annascaul to Dingle is not a quiet road by any stretch of the imagination.

The WAW(S) needs to be upgraded too from Inch to Castlemaine to Farranfore

lottpaul

Several pieces on Radio na Gaeltachta and on media by Brendan Griffin saying that the scheme will start with 2 sections - Lispole to Ballynasare (getting rid of the hairpin bend at Banoge) and Camp to Mountoven.
The Camp section isn't bad at all and has been widened a lot in recent years. You'd imagine the bridge over the Finglas river would be a bigger priority.
This would suggest the road will be done in small sections until eventually they all link up, like sections of a jigsaw.
Was at a function in Annascaul yesterday and folk from Camp said route had been selected (they described it in great detail including what houses would be demolished etc? ) and owners compensated but some from Annascaul said no money had been paid to them but the route was more or less known. I couldn't imagine any money has been paid yet since approval only came a few weeks ago but people talk etc etc :rolleyes:
All sounds very confused. I get the feeling this thread will run for many years .........

Subpopulus

Looks like this has gotten funding (in part at least).

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/list-of-roads-to-benefit-from-60m-repair-funding-released-653254.html

D Trent

Subpopulus wrote: »

Looks like this has gotten funding (in part at least).

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/list-of-roads-to-benefit-from-60m-repair-funding-released-653254.html

Old news

Carawaystick

lottpaul wrote: »

Several pieces on Radio na Gaeltachta and on media by Brendan Griffin saying that the scheme will start with 2 sections - Lispole to Ballynasare (getting rid of the hairpin bend at Banoge) and Camp to Mountoven.
The Camp section isn't bad at all and has been widened a lot in recent years. You'd imagine the bridge over the Finglas river would be a bigger priority.
This would suggest the road will be done in small sections until eventually they all link up, like sections of a jigsaw.
Was at a function in Annascaul yesterday and folk from Camp said route had been selected (they described it in great detail including what houses would be demolished etc? ) and owners compensated but some from Annascaul said no money had been paid to them but the route was more or less known. I couldn't imagine any money has been paid yet since approval only came a few weeks ago but people talk etc etc :rolleyes:
All sounds very confused. I get the feeling this thread will run for many years .........

There might be 2 sides to the spending money, One to CPO the land and houses, and the other to actually build the road.
For the M11 Arklow to Rathnew scheme that's getting built now, the land was bought at the top of the market 6-7 years ago, and several houses knocked, but the road only started getting built a year and a bit ago.

lottpaul

Raidio na G reporting that An Taisce is seeking a judicial review against An Bord Pleanala etc re the granting of permission for the N86 improvements. Local councillor Seamus Cosai Fitzgerald giving interview on Saol o Dheas now saying the 2 initial phases will be "put back" but no idea for how long.

Mc Love

Having travelled the road Sunday evening in near non visibility due to the driving rain, this needs to be done. Some dangerous bends outside of Annascaul. But I agree that the road doesnt require so much land like the annascaul section did!

antoobrien

lottpaul wrote: »

Raidio na G reporting that An Taisce is seeking a judicial review against the NRA etc re the granting of permission for the N86 improvements. Local councillor Seamus Cosai Fitzgerald giving interview on Saol o Dheas now saying the 2 initial phases will be "put back" but no idea for how long.

The case is due to be in court in March.

Mc Love

What the hell are on Taisce doing? Its a main national route that will improve transport links to the Dingle Peninsula!? The upgrade of Annascaul hasnt done that much damage that I could see. Its improved road visibility and even the views around it are more accessible!

mydiscworld

Mc Love wrote: »

What the hell are on Taisce doing? Its a main national route that will improve transport links to the Dingle Peninsula!? The upgrade of Annascaul hasnt done that much damage that I could see. Its improved road visibility and even the views around it are more accessible!

This is the second time that this scheme has been judicially reviewed. Kerry County Council challenged an earlier decision by An Bord Pleanála in Sep 2013 to refuse the same scheme. That challenge resulted in the Board’s decision being quashed and remitted to the Board in April 2014. On revisiting the same scheme again, this time the Board granted permission and this latest decision is now under challenge by An Taisce

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jank

Anyone know the reasons behind the objections. Is this improvement going all the way to Dingle as well?

lottpaul

jank wrote: »

Anyone know the reasons behind the objections. Is this improvement going all the way to Dingle as well?

The final scheme is to be from Dingle to Camp but there's very little discussion of Lispole to Dingle yet.

Listened to Cllr Michael O'Shea on Radio Kerry.
http://www.radiokerry.ie/news/public-meeting-to-be-held-to-discuss-n86-next-month/
He was seething and said the An Taisce objection was down to "one person living in Dublin". The objection seems to be against the original env impact survey, including for the completed section near Annascaul. It's all a bit murky, esp as An Taisce havent given any interviews etc yet.

marno21

lottpaul wrote: »

The final scheme is to be from Dingle to Camp but there's very little discussion of Lispole to Dingle yet.

Listened to Cllr Michael O'Shea on Radio Kerry.
http://www.radiokerry.ie/news/public-meeting-to-be-held-to-discuss-n86-next-month/
He was seething and said the An Taisce objection was down to "one person living in Dublin". The objection seems to be against the original env impact survey, including for the completed section near Annascaul. It's all a bit murky, esp as An Taisce havent given any interviews etc yet.

Interview in full here: http://media.radiokerry.ie/mediamanager/embed/player/podcasts/9/item/34198

Mc Love

Brendan Griffin just announced on Facebook that he had secured the funding for this scheme.
He said to send emails to info@antaisce.org to get them to reconsider

Mc Love

Has anyone heard anymore about the case brought before the courts? I've asked the TD on facebook/twitter but got no response.

Mc Love

lottpaul wrote: »

Nothing can be done until the court appeal is heard next month etc but finance is ready to be rolled out if the project gets a final go ahead

I thought that court appeal already happened, did it get re-scheduled? Having looked at the plans, and having travelled the road extensively I dont see why an Taisce would block it, the scenery of the route wont be impacted, in fact I'd say it would allow greater visibility and safety on the route.

Recently I saw the KCC out filling in potholes - and already the road is tearing up again, with the already high volume of traffic on it, it will only get worse over the summer!

lottpaul

http://www.antaisce.org/articles/taisce-challenges-contentious-upgrade-scenic-n86-dingle-route

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/an-taisce-bid-to-quash-dingle-road-widening-plan-fast-tracked-1.2097221

An Taisce has decided to appeal the planning for the entire route from Dingle to Camp and the case will be heard in July.

Mc Love

The commercial court has dismissed the case brought by an taisce

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153714169566934&substory_index=0&id=545556933