Would you snitch on a dole cheat?

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You totally contradict yourself there. Someone getting cash for work and not declaring it is committing out and out fraud as you put it.

It would amount to at the most 3 to 4 weeks work a year, so I don't consider it out and our fraud.

OldNotWIse

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Double standards and weaselling around (pardon the username) ringing confidential phone lines grassing about people abusing the dole for one group while not doing it for the others that you know to be doing the same act is snide/underhanded behaviour.

And derogatory term for people defrauding the dole- I'd generally tend to call them cheats.

I think the use of this word in context shows us your true feelings in this regard.

Timberrrrrrrr

mariaalice wrote: »

It would amount to at the most 3 to 4 weeks work a year, so I don't consider it out and our fraud.

If i go into a post office but only take a couple of hundred euro instead of emptying the vault does that mean i am not a thief?

jimgoose

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If i go into a post office but only take a couple of hundred euro instead of emptying the vault does that mean i am not a thief?

I'd say it meant you were a rank amateur. The heavy mobs do over banks and post-offices with pickaxe-handles and sawnoff Purdeys annat innit, but to really do damage you need an Ivy League education! :pac:

Timberrrrrrrr

jimgoose wrote: »

I'd say it meant you were a rank amateur. The heavy mobs do over banks and post-offices with pickaxe-handles and sawnoff Purdeys annat innit, but to really do damage you need an Ivy League education! :pac:

Didn't really answer the question though did you?

jimgoose

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Didn't really answer the question though did you?

Haven't a notion of it, chief. In all fairity 'tis a pretty dumb question.

Nidgeweasel

OldNotWIse wrote: »

I think the use of this word in context shows us your true feelings in this regard.

So would my post on the very first page of this thread.

What's the difference between snitching (as per the tread title) and grassing by the way?

Get your dictionary out.

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If i go into a post office but only take a couple of hundred euro instead of emptying the vault does that mean i am not a thief?

I get you point, I suppose I am not an absolutist it is a difficult one that could be solved by having welfare as form of income support with a small amount of lea way to add to it without loosing any welfare support.

Timberrrrrrrr

jimgoose wrote: »

Haven't a notion of it, chief. In all fairity 'tis a pretty dumb question.

So you don't understand what is theft and what isn't? Maybe that's why you don't understand what fraud is.

jimgoose

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So you don't understand what is theft and what isn't? Maybe that's why you don't understand what fraud is.

Mind yourself there, you're starting to foam at the mouth. :pac:

Timberrrrrrrr

jimgoose wrote: »

Mind yourself there, you're starting to foam at the mouth. :pac:

That would be the cappuccino i am sipping on

allibastor

Tinkersbell wrote: »

This government has spun this crap for the last 3 years.
Most of the overpayments are down to their own staff being sh1te at their jobs.
The figures will bear out that fact.
Divide and conquer, the FG way.

Very true, I remember a person who worked for me once.
Their dole was given after us as the employer and they gave all details in correct and present.
The amount was given out by SW and given for about a year, but then they were cut and got letters about the over payment.

The only reason I know all this is the person didn't have much of a clue about it all and needed help. They ended up paying it back but the fault lay with the social.

OldNotWIse

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

So would my post on the very first page of this thread.

What's the difference between snitching (as per the tread title) and grassing by the way?

Get your dictionary out.

Why, have you accepted that you need it?

OldNotWIse

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

That would be the cappuccino i am sipping on

We've all tried that line when we're caught in flagrante :pac:

Timberrrrrrrr

OldNotWIse wrote: »

We've all tried that line when we're caught in flagrante :pac:

:eek:

Nidgeweasel

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Why, have you accepted that you need it?

Yes please. I am illiterate.

Anyway, grass v snitch, what's the difference, definition king?

lukesmom

NewYork1979 wrote: »

It never really crossed my mind until this crossed my path:

Husband is unemployed, she works part-time on a low enough wage. Claiming family income support. House pimped out to within an inch of its life. Two BMW jeeps, brand new. Boasting about her first class trips to New York before Christmas. None of this is hearsay, I heard it all from the woman in question, as have loads of my colleagues.

Reported them and I know for a fact I wasn't the only one, I know social welfare are trying their hardest to catch them. I'll let ye guess the husband's line of work.

The way she carried on was a complete slap in the face to anyone listening to her, she's either dim or she doesn't care, either way I had no hesitation in reporting her and I hope social welfare get them.

Drug dealer

Kermit.de.frog

The way I see it all these people calling for bankers and politicians to be jailed or whatever (even though often times their reasoning is odd and not well defined) should also realise it's not one rule for them and another for dole cheats. Both should be caught and punished.

I don't differentiate between the class or social status of anyone thieving from taxpayers. Theft is theft and welfare fraud is theft.

Means Of Escape

Should be a reward of 500 euros to those who identify dole fraudsters that are successfully convicted in court
Doubled if 3 are caught

Then results would be seen.

Cash is King

Means Of Escape

lukesmom wrote: »

Drug dealer

Travelling first class and asking for battered sausages .

Tordelback

miezekatze wrote: »

I think the biggest problem with the medical card is that it's valid for quite a long time and nobody seems to review people's needs while they have one. I know people who got a medical card when they were on job seekers, they are now working again but still have a medical card for another few years. I think they should be issued for a year max and then reviewed again.

When you sign the application form you agree to inform the HSE immediately of any change in your circumstances, same as you do everytime you sign on. If people actually did what they agreed to do, there wouldn't be a need to review any more often than at present.

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It seems to have been overlooked that were a person is I'm part time employment that revenue not inform social welfare and a form is sent out which the employer girls out for welfar.

wexandproud

fred funk }{ wrote: »

Nearly every cent of money made on the black market is spent locally in shops, cafés, petrol stations etc. All who employ local people. I can't remember the exact figures but a hell of a lot of the money made on the black market goes directly back to the state via VAT and other taxes.

Our economy does well ftom that money.

nearly every cent of money earned legally is spent in local shops, cafes ,petrol stations etc. all who employ people. I can't remember the exact figures but a hell of a lot of legally earned money goes directly back to the state via VAT, plus on the state saves on the fraud

a lot of accusations of double standards in some of the posts.. if a person never reports anyone they are always wrong but if a person reports someone sometimes at least they are right some of the time

Beaner1

wexandproud wrote: »

nearly every cent of money earned legally is spent in local shops, cafes ,petrol stations etc. all who employ people. I can't remember the exact figures but a hell of a lot of legally earned money goes directly back to the state via VAT, plus on the state saves on the fraud

a lot of accusations of double standards in some of the posts.. if a person never reports anyone they are always wrong but if a person reports someone sometimes at least they are right some of the time

That argument does my head in. The same was said about debt forgiveness, that we need these people spending in the economy. Sorry, I'd rather spend that money in pubs, hotels and restaurants rather than having to siphoned off so others get to have the craic.

Roquentin

Beaner1 wrote: »

That argument does my head in. The same was said about debt forgiveness, that we need these people spending in the economy. Sorry, I'd rather spend that money in pubs, hotels and restaurants rather than having to siphoned off so others get to have the craic.

in theory that argument has substance provided they spent it in this country and not on amazon or abroad.

the money is being rolled over. the worker pays tax>>this tax pays the dole guy>> he spends this money in supervalu>> this pays the wage of the worker>>who in turn pays the dole guy again

its kind of a roundabout but what happens is some of that money gets spent outside the country

Frank O. Pinion

No. I wouldn't like if someone "snitched" on me for not paying for any movie or TV show I've downloaded in the last 10 years, or for not ever paying for a TV license, or for cutting the tags of my mattresses, so no, I wouldn't "snitch" on a "dole cheat".

I believe in a basic income, anyway.

Iwasfrozen

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

No. I wouldn't like if someone "snitched" on me for not paying for any movie or TV show I've downloaded in the last 10 years, or for not ever paying for a TV license, or for cutting the tags of my mattresses, so no, I wouldn't "snitch" on a "dole cheat".

I believe in a basic income, anyway.

A basic income isn't feasible.

At the moment the social welfare system costs around 26 billion a year. if there are 4.5 million people in Ireland, less 1/2 million children this comes to around 125 euro per adult per week.

So an unemployed person previously "earning" 188 + rent allowance would see his income cut by about half.

darced

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Laura Palmer

Doing the odd nixer, the odd bit of childminding etc while on the dole shows drive and being enterprising IMO - helps the CV while looking for full-time work. Better than sitting around doing nothing, which is often an accusation levelled at people who are on the dole. It's not as if they could make a living out of it alone if it's only a gig here and there.

I don't know if everyone who is so opposed to it would refuse to do same if they ever found themselves needing to draw the dole.

I certainly don't agree with people doing the above and not having any intention of looking for employment but there's no way I'd report them either.

B.A._Baracus

I wouldn't.

Everyone has a scam going...
- a self-employed person declares only a portion of his or her true income.
- Big Businesses hire creative accountants.
- People download. Why you think that is? because it beats paying for it.
- Nixers (not paying tax)
- I could go on...

Everyone has something going...