why protest over water and not USC?

keane2097

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Is it?

What was the delivery costs prior to the Port Tunnel vs today?

Are those serious questions?

It's very obvious that the point he's making is correct.

You are trying to make out that maintenance and upgrades to roads in Ireland makes no material difference to your life whatsoever because you don't drive on them. That is patently nonsense that I doubt you honestly believe yourself.

Godge

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Is it?

What was the delivery costs prior to the Port Tunnel vs today?

It is not possible to compare on that basis and make conclusions.

For a start there will have been inflation and deflation in the various components of the delivery cost.

However, it can be said with certainty that the delivery of goods coming in through Dublin Port is cheaper to Enniscrone than they otherwise would have been had the Port Tunnel not being built as the amount of time and fuel saved by not having to go through the city centre are significant.

BoJack Horseman

Godge wrote: »

However, it can be said with certainty that the delivery of goods coming in through Dublin Port is cheaper to Enniscrone than they otherwise would have been had the Port Tunnel not being built as the amount of time and fuel saved by not having to go through the city centre are significant.

Its about 20 mins..... On a 4hr journey.

And if goods don't come through Dublin port?
Or those 99.99% of people not residing in a village in Mayo.

Where is their benefit for paying 200% of the annual costs of roads?

Farmer Pudsey

greendom wrote: »

USC is a very regressive tax, it's the working poor who are the real victims here

USC hit higher earners harder. It also targets wealth in that it is often applied befiore capital allowances. Ask any business person what tax they hate and it is USC. there is virtually no hiding income from it.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/money_and_tax/tax/income_tax/universal_social_charge.html

Geuze wrote: »

Note that my parents pay under 10% direct taxes on 50k gross.

They receive social transfers as follows:

2 med cards
2 travel passes
free TV licence = 160 euro
cheaper elec = 35pm = 420 pa subsidy


They get a massive return on the limited taxes they pay.

There are thousands of people like them.

This is why overall the taxes collected are not high.

This also contributes to the deficit, as Govts refuse to charge people like them enough tax to cover their social benefits.



They are in contrast to somebody on 40k who faces a 52% MTR, and must pay 50 to the GP, etc.

That worker feels that taxes and costs are too high, which is true.

It is a huge issue the way over the last 20-30 years that lots of social tranfers have been given to the grey population. Some of these like Bus passes etc have a huge cost to workers.

Geuze wrote: »

The protests would stop.


I have never seen a protest against the 52% MTR on income over 32,800.

It is quite likly taht there would be no protest however the government have a fear that workers will vote with there feet and f@@k off abroad.


The present government generally made a mess of simple things. Back when they came into power in 2011 they should have frontloaded as many taxes as possible and got them activated. To a certain extent they have lost touch with reality. Labour refused to reduce the headline welfare rate cause the imposition of harsh cuts on specific area's such as carers etc.

it is all very well blaming FG, Ranchers, the wealthy however no one will give half there income if they can avoid same. taxation policy has shown that when 50% tax rates are imposed that it drops tax take. it even disencentives those in PAYE employmet to work extra hours or to take promotation.

We had to look and impose indirect taxes and charges. However when we do thsi in Ireland becase of the high cost of our public service this imposes huge costs on those that pay. Up to this recession car tax remained staple. however the greens tinkered with it and this caused a massive reduction in it take just as the recession started. As well we had no stable local tax base.

Property tax again hit workers as most workers own there houses in Ireland. The unemployed escaped this tax. It also caught the grey population. Water charges were different the unemployed would get caught as well. However workers were fed up with imposed taxes and IMO have protested against the wrong tax. It suits the looney left to stoke it up. Back in the 2012 budget the government should have imposed a water tax at the rate of 40-70/household like the household charge to get it on the books and blame FF.

There is no accounting for stupidity. From the government in not imposing it in 2012 budget. And from workers in opposing the wrong tax. It would be much more benefical to workers to oppose car tax or cost of public transport.

Cuttlefish

Today

2PM

Connolly Hall

Cork

Make your voice heard

Axel Lamp

Cuttlefish wrote: »

Today

2PM

Connolly Hall

Cork

Make your voice heard

I'll pass thanks

Labarbapostiza

Axel Lamp wrote: »

I'll pass thanks

Fine.

After the revolution you can explain yourself to our new police force.

Axel Lamp

Labarbapostiza wrote: »

Fine.

After the revolution you can explain yourself to our new police force.

Explain, eh no. My dear man, no police force under a left wing government would ever ask for an explanation. Do you think the Stasi or NKVD/KGB asked for explanations?

It'll be straight to the Tory Island gulag for me for not turning up to yet another Irish Water protest.

Labarbapostiza

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

it is all very well blaming FG, Ranchers, the wealthy however no one will give half there income if they can avoid same. taxation policy has shown that when 50% tax rates are imposed that it drops tax take. it even disencentives those in PAYE employmet to work extra hours or to take promotation.

The Fine Gael Ranchers are an issue. Their mentality is that as long as they get their free money everyone else can go to hell. I was listening to RTE tonight, I didn't get the guys name but he was involved in non-farm rural development. He explained the department for rural development comes under the department of agriculture. But that the civil servants of the department of agricultural beyond turfing money out to the ranchers they don't give a damn about non-farm rural development.

Experts on what comes out of the backside of a cow, but how many of our rancher political representatives could tell you how a microchip works, or even anything about manufacturing, or pharmacology?

The problem isn't taxation, it's national income. We need innovation, not back arsedness.

Farmer Pudsey

Labarbapostiza wrote: »

The Fine Gael Ranchers are an issue. Their mentality is that as long as they get their free money everyone else can go to hell. I was listening to RTE tonight, I didn't get the guys name but he was involved in non-farm rural development. He explained the department for rural development comes under the department of agriculture. But that the civil servants of the department of agricultural beyond turfing money out to the ranchers they don't give a damn about non-farm rural development.

Experts on what comes out of the backside of a cow, but how many of our rancher political representatives could tell you how a microchip works, or even anything about manufacturing, or pharmacology?

The problem isn't taxation, it's national income. We need innovation, not back arsedness.

Agriculture and food are the two biggest employers in rural Ireland. You also have agriculture machinery such as Samco in Limerick that has developed sowing of maize under plastic, Dairymaster in Kerry which is one of the most innovative milking machinery companies in the world, Keenans in animal feeding technology, Dromone engineering who from developing a pickup hitch for tractors has developed a machinery coupling technology that is used across construction and agriculture, Mchale engineering that specialised in baling technology. as well you have smaller firms like Connor engineering, Belmac engineering, Major, etc taht specialise in production of small and medium sized agri machinery.

I say most of these lads know how a microchip works and are fairy innovative. After that you have agri food companies such as Kerry, Glanbia, Dairygold, Arrabawn, Connaught Gold as well as the host of Small west cork Co-op that world leaders in food production. Mind you none of this has been developed out of the backsides of cows, it was out of there teats it came.

The government is keen to expand milk production. You may wonder why so, because of the value that can be added to it. Irish farmers receive about the lowest milk price in Europe this gives a cheap raw material to the food industry. We have I think over half the baby formula market in the world.

Biggest issue with rural development has been the poor record of the organisations such as leader where it has got to the stage that companies that were looking for money got tied up in red tape. As well most is targeted at non commercial rural development. Small artisan food producers will tell you more about it than I can.

However as like many more you have a poor understanding of innovation and think all innovation is in tech or pharma companies. Rural development is about giving individuals and companies the where with all to develop and red tape is the biggest issue. Along with that those that do this are often sole traders rather than companies and taxation is a huge issue.