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Take it easy on yourself. I think most people have days like this no matter what stage they are at but especially when they are building like you are. Chill out & tomorrow is another day. You'll get there because you are well determined
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You know what, HS, I don't think there's any mystery about being tired... kids, work, running, etc etc... that'll do it. Even without the beer mile training...
Thats what really bothers me. I read the days off thread and a post about us needing to recover and rest days should be rest days. Last Monday I brought the boys to the park and had the best game of footie. This monday i was conscious of that thread so i put myself in goal :pac: Being is no fun when your 3 year old defender starts picking his nose as the 6 year old striker is charging for you!
I have to be able to play with the kids, it was the whole point and getting fit and losing weight in the first place.0 -
Hannibal Smith wrote: »Thats what really bothers me. I read the days off thread and a post about us needing to recover and rest days should be rest days. Last Monday I brought the boys to the park and had the best game of footie. This monday i was conscious of that thread so i put myself in goal :pac: Being is no fun when your 3 year old defender starts picking his nose as the 6 year old striker is charging for you!
I have to be able to play with the kids, it was the whole point and getting fit and losing weight in the first place.
I know, and if it doesn't feel like 'normal' tiredness, definitely get it checked out...0 -
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Hannibal Smith wrote: »Thats what really bothers me. I read the days off thread and a post about us needing to recover and rest days should be rest days. Last Monday I brought the boys to the park and had the best game of footie. This monday i was conscious of that thread so i put myself in goal :pac: Being is no fun when your 3 year old defender starts picking his nose as the 6 year old striker is charging for you!
I have to be able to play with the kids, it was the whole point and getting fit and losing weight in the first place.
You have to have some perspective when reading the 'days off' thread. It's entirely different for someone who doesn't have kids and only has to fit running around their work/partner. Of course you have to play with your kids & you should. When you have kids, work full time & still have all the house stuff to do something will give every now & then. There's only so much you can do. IMO you also have to have perspective when reading some of the training logs & take into account the life circumstances of people.
Before there's an avalanche of 'you just have to make the time', this is my opinion & coming from my own situation 0 -
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You have to have some perspective when reading the 'days off' thread. It's entirely different for someone who doesn't have kids and only has to fit running around their work/partner. Of course you have to play with your kids & you should. When you have kids, work full time & still have all the house stuff to do something will give every now & then. There's only so much you can do. IMO you also have to have perspective when reading some of the training logs & take into account the life circumstances of people.
Before there's an avalanche of 'you just have to make the time', this is my opinion & coming from my own situation
I couldn't agree more... every working mother I have ever met has occasional or regular bouts of exhaustion 0 -
+1 to all the above. I'd suggest if you don't feel better after a couple of early nights, then invest in a trip to the G.P. and ask for some blood tests to include thyroid and iron/ferritin. You can be eating plenty of iron rich foods yet not absorbing it so no harm to check even if your diet isn't lacking. Hope it's nothing a bit of R&R won't sort out 0
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Bungy Girl wrote: »+1 to all the above. I'd suggest if you don't feel better after a couple of early nights, then invest in a trip to the G.P. and ask for some blood tests to include thyroid and iron/ferritin. You can be eating plenty of iron rich foods yet not absorbing it so no harm to check even if your diet isn't lacking. Hope it's nothing a bit of R&R won't sort out
I said it to the gp before...he thought it was my thyroid and sent me for bloods and scans...but they came back perfect. So i left it thinking it was running related. Maybe it is maybe it isnt but might be no harm to ask him...it might be easily resolved.
Thanks guys..and yes kids etc do add an extra dimension to it all!!!0 -
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Well done, sounds like a good race!
It was such a great course! Everything was impeccable from the volunteers to the locals with the water! And pizza in the clubhouse after!! Just a shame their clock was a bit off
WELL DONE!!!! delighted you enjoyed it and brilliant that it's your first you ran from start to finish - by the way, you ARE a real runner. Lovely to meet you earlier, was a pleasant surprise to see PM coming across the finish line, sneaky divils the pair of ye :-) will dig out the photos in the morning!
Was great to meet you too...haahaa right pair of sneaks...had to be done...no pressure that way
The Morun last Nov was my first 10k start to finish but that was 1:04, then the Heart Run, but that was 1:03...so we're going in the right direction. Thank you so much to you and all your club mates it was such a great event!0 -
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Clonee 10k - 25th June 2015 1:01:35
2 miles into the LSR on Sat I was feeling a bit brave so decided to crack on a bit and accidentally hit a 9:39 pace. So plan was to head out at that pace and hold on to it for as long as I could. Tuesday was supposed to be a refresher to try and recognise that pace again come race day...hence the major melt down when I failed (by hitting way above it!!). I was telling no one about the race...it wasnt a goal race and i couldnt deal with the nerves.
Nerves were pretty bad anyhow. I was feeling very incapable at the start line and would have loved to turn on my heel. All day I was telling myself, the only thing worse than trying and failing is not trying at all.
Mile 1
Comfortably hard thats all you have to do. Head out at that pace, bag yourself a 9:39 mile and the rest we'll see about. So i headed out at a feel of comfortably hard. Was feeling a little harder, my legs felt like jelly and I felt rotten. This wasnt a good start. I was looking at my watch earlier than I thought and it wasnt even half a mile. Still it said 4:xx i think. So i was happily surprised that I was feeling crap because of speed and not inability. The first km followed soon after and I thought you're doin it! Youre well within the plan just keep going. The second look was pretty soon after and I was delighted to see I was well on target.
9:17
Mile 2
Im going to mix kms and miles up a bit so it'll probably be a bit off the mark from here on, but its as close as I can remember. Km 2 was covered and km 3 was coming up. I totally got confused in my head and took the 3km mark for a 3 mile one. Madness took over as I was delighted with myself for being half way through!!!! I was still well on target. The first mile was great to have in the bag and I was feeling i really could get below 60 mins. I was closing in on Green Vest girl which was giving me a great bit of confidence. I wasnt feeling great though. I was in a bit of hell tbh. Time to take stock...i was breathing heavy...but it didnt matter..i was half way *rollseyes*. Comfortably hard will do it. You dont need to be floggin the b*ll*x off yourself. Readjust and keep it together and you could just get this.
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Mile 3
Around 3.5km I realised my km/m confusion...I was no where near half way lol. But no matter...repeat the mantra comfortably hard. 2 km in you were feeling crap, but you got over it...this is a piece of pi$$ now. You so have a sub 60. You are balancing it perfectly, any faster your lungs cant handle it, any slower and you're giving up. This is feeling so controlled, you might just do this!
Green vest had over taken me somewhere here. But i looked at her, she was running on grass, maybe she's injured, she's suffering somehow if shes choosing hilly grass over a flat road. Looked at my watch 2.95 and twenty something minutes, if you go for that road sign a head you could get a really good 5k pb (my mid race calculations are not great :pac: ) and i could suck the confidence out of Green Vest if I storm passed her. So i picked it up and RAAAAAAN. Dont stop till you hear that beep!!! Ran for it, the beep went but there is no 5k mark. I started a bit further back, maybe my watch is a bit off, so i had to reignite a sprint and run for 5k but it was over 30 mins. Bugger! Still 30 mins at this stage is better than you've ever done in a 10k you're still in with a shot.
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My breathing has gone to pot again. Get a grip on it. Muler only said you had to go at the agreed pace for as long as I could. At this point I still believed I was doing this pace. I was only concentrating on matching up with the km markers at this stage. I knew I'd lost time somewhere and i had no time to spare. Still you did what was asked and then i said hang on...you know damn well what he meant, he never meant give up because it might be a little tiring. Comfortably hard. Come on. But it was hard so i had to readjust. 6k marker...36 mins...Im flying there is still hope here! In ultimate wisdom i some how thought I could use km 6-8 to recover and 8-9 for comfortably hard again. Two 9:39 kms at the end might just rescue you. It was my only option because my lungs were really working hard. Tues was fresh in my head and I didnt want to blow up again. So I eased off, nothing major I still took advantage of any downward slope.
Around 7km there was a water station with a girl almost pleading with me to take her cup. I took it, but couldnt drink it. So i thought just pour it over your head. Bad idea. It was icy cold..brain freeze..shock to lungs...im dying lol. Pace takes a massive hit Green Vest over takes me. Its all going to pot!
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I think these ^^^ are just headings now, I think Ive well muddled it all up :pac: Anyhow...here comes 8k...looked at my watch 49 mins. Bugger. That plan about trying to recover and then pick up at the last 2 may not have been my brightest. But ive picked up the pace so many times at the end of training runs, you know how to do this. Come on. So i passed green vest and vowed that would be the last time I would see here. The music in my ears was all that was keeping me going. Fartlekking was being used to the max, anything to keep the concentration going...i had to recover a bit, green vest over took me and gave me a friendly wave and I knew she was gone. We shared a friendly laugh but i was a bit gutted. I was so wrecked the only choice i had was to forget watches and timings and go by feel. Comfortably hard, will do this. There is a sliver of a chance. So many twists and turns ..I saw 2 large eagles on gate posts and recognised them from the first km. 9km is somewhere soon, come on!!!
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^^Yup, deffo just a heading now but Im on a roll and no time to figure it out.
I see a piece of white in the grass, is that it? Yup! Good god its nearly over. Suddenly I think of Marthastew. Are you having fun? Are you enjoying it? You should be miserable right now come on!!! I watch green vest, the finish has to be close. No chance Im looking at the watch. If i see her hare for something I'll know thats the finish. It has to be around this next bend. Then I see Muler and my hopes dashed! I was a bit worried at the start that I would be last because there were so few and were all club runners. Joking he said if he thought that was likely hed run back and get me. And i said noooo way!! Only thing worse than coming last was to be brought home last :pac: We exhanged some words, I cant remember what he gave me water, I spat it out *morto* and he ran in front of me. But no I wasnt happy with that. I had worked so hard and I felt I paced it so well and i had a plan, I didnt need to be brought home. Stubborn fecker
I must have communicated it somehow because next he was behind me. But then I could hear my breathing, it was out of control! No way should it be like this, I paced evenly it should be steady, i sound like a train. How can I hear this so loudly? Where's the music? My earphones are down around my knees, I must have taken them out to talk to Muler. Sh*t! Im not in control at all!!! Alarm bells start going off, my legs, my lungs, my head nothing was right. I need to stop!! You cant stop now you muppet!! Get control of yourself. Sort the breathing and your legs will take care of everything else. So I concentrated and got it down a bit, I see a load of high viz jackets ahead that has got to be the finish. I pick up the pace a little. Then a f*ckin roar comes from behind me, 'Move it!! Thats the finish. Dig!!!' And i want to deck him :pac: but he's right to hell with it all!!! I moved my a$$ as fast as I could. The finish was blurry there was noise everywhere a roaring Mule behind me....just flippin keep going!!!!
Of course Im disappointed not to have got under 60 mins. But I couldnt have done any better. Any faster would have wrecked the whole thing. But I never gave up hope and fought as hard as I could so ultimately I am proud of what I did. 0 -
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Hannibal Smith wrote: »Clonee 10k - 25th June 2015 1:01:35
I never gave up hope and fought as hard as I could so ultimately I am proud of what I did.
and so you should be, all we can ask of ourselves in a race was did we give it our all and you clearly did, I know PM will have told you to run easy for the rest of the week and make sure you do, recovery now is just as more important than sessions & training.
We will see you back there next year when you're going for a Sub 55 or 50 ok??0 -
Congratulations on a great race.
Ooops ! Apologies for throwing you off as such ! I had indeed said to you I wouldn't leave you out on the course last but it wasn't the only reason to be back there supporting you. It was a very hot and humid evening and I figured you may need a drink You communicated quite clearly I was throwing off your concentration lol so I did drop off and leave you to it. You got a very polite encouraging shout out to crack on to the finish. That's all
Massive positives from this race for you. You did finish strong and had something left to really up the pace for the final stretch. You pushed hard (perhaps too hard for first mile ) and when it got uncomfortable you held on, didn't stop, didn't walk, kept racing. You came away happy and not frustrated. You've shown yourself and everyone else here you have the balls to push yourself and really and truly smashed the ghosts of the mini marathon.
Agree with Firedance. Next year the sub 60 will be a distant line behind you. You're well on track now.
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Pacing Mule wrote: »Congratulations on a great race.
Ooops ! Apologies for throwing you off as such ! I had indeed said to you I wouldn't leave you out on the course last but it wasn't the only reason to be back there supporting you. It was a very hot and humid evening and I figured you may need a drink You communicated quite clearly I was throwing off your concentration lol so I did drop off and leave you to it. You got a very polite encouraging shout out to crack on to the finish. That's all
Massive positives from this race for you. You did finish strong and had something left to really up the pace for the final stretch. You pushed hard (perhaps too hard for first mile ) and when it got uncomfortable you held on, didn't stop, didn't walk, kept racing. You came away happy and not frustrated. You've shown yourself and everyone else here you have the balls to push yourself and really and truly smashed the ghosts of the mini marathon.
Agree with Firedance. Next year the sub 60 will be a distant line behind you. You're well on track now.
Well done.
Sorry...little battery left so have to make it quick lol. No need for apologies at all. It wasnt you it was my breathing. It really surprised me i thought i had it. My throat is sore today and my lungs ache so clearly my idea of control and that of my lungs are totally different.
Honestly that 3 mile pace from Sat that you sussed gave me more confidence goin into a race and although the splits above dont show it up as far as 6km I was on track. It was 36 mins at 6km....the good times are coming!!! Sorry for the spitting lol0 -
and so you should be, all we can ask of ourselves in a race was did we give it our all and you clearly did, I know PM will have told you to run easy for the rest of the week and make sure you do, recovery now is just as more important than sessions & training.
We will see you back there next year when you're going for a Sub 55 or 50 ok??
Sub 50...wouldnt that be niceWell done, HS! very funny report, i love that the splits were just headings, captured the mental confusion of racing very well
p.s. I blame muler, he delayed you at the end
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Hannibal Smith wrote: »I am so sorry for the length of it
No, it's brilliant
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Just for the craic...my watch appears to have gone back to km. Noticed it on Wed, meant to change it back...forgot all about it till the next run.
Mon 29th June (I think?) 6 Hills @ 5-10k pace.
Had to rejig the week due to other commitments which is the only reason I did hills the day after a long run.
Wed 1 July 6km6 avg pace 6:44
Way too hot for this business!!!
Fri 3rd July - 10k avg pace 6:32.
Says a lot for Wednesdays heat if this was faster. Trying to make sure im not falling into bad habits again.
Sat 4th July - 5k avg pace 6:46
Not great for the aul confidence to see these 5ks coming in slower than the 10k :pac: but it was very hot. Also watch didnt click in till well over half a mile in...so it might come up short stats wise, but the plan was followed
Sun 5th July - 10 mile/16k avg pace 6:57
Half way down the road watch battery beeped to tell me it was low. Thought about doing an Adrian Mole and run faster to catch as much of the run as possible before it died (bet no one will get that)...but was sensible and slow. Clipped a long nicely by far the easiest 10 miler ive done. Was so on the ball, no matter if I was like the Pied Piper with lost kids following me, i wasnt stopping. Got caught in the rain, it was a beautiful relief and was a lovely light run after it. Didnt feel like the usual shuffle of death at the end either. Watch finally died at 12km which is why this one comes up short. But the plan again was followed
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Tues 7th July - 5m Fartleks
I made it passed the 3 junctions!!!! Woohooo!!!!! Im doing it totally by junctions because theres no point speeding up before them. I know, Im a total genius
After the warm up i picked it up and was conscious of last months blunder and its that 9:39 pace for the aul 10k pace im trying to find so might as well use these fartleks for it. I also had a look at the road ahead and noticed between the first two round a bouts is up hill....last times blunder made more sense.
So it took a bit of speeding up and slowing down and then i got the pace i recognised and settled in so well to it. Initially i was going for the second round about but as it was a hill I took it a little handier so that I could use the down hill to try keep going and aim for the next one and was chuffed when i made it.
Bit of a recovery run and on to the knocklyon round a bout and was going to aim for the first hill just past superquinn, but it was feeling so good i aimed for whatever the primary school is just passed it?
Recovered for the uphill and turned on to the Firhouse Road the wind and rain were in my face and the hill was a struggle...but then i looked at my watch 2.95 miles 28 mins...i was kicking myself. If id known i was that close to 3 miles i would have fought more to get it under 30 mins. Im addicted to those record beeps
So the next speed bit was going to start at Scoil Carmel and finish at the Speaker because of the uphill, the wind and the rain. But i really settled into it again and headed for the next junction...i probably should have pushed on to the community college, but that will do for now.
3 speed bursts, but held for a relatively long time for me, which had me finishing absolutely chuffed.
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Hah! Get in!! Just uploaded Tuesday's run to Strava and it turns out I hit 5:47 and 5:50 for both of the first two fartlekking or however you use it in sentence :pac: The third one was 6:39, but I get a pass on that one because of the wind and rain in my face. But the good news is, I recognised it and now know what I'm looking for/need to work on! Twice!!!!! (this is all subject to me not reading the stats wrong of course)
Wed 8th July 3m avg pace 6:38
Not gonna lie, getting a cheeky bit of confidence from this plan. But have got to be careful to keep easy easy. My legs forced this one to be fairly easy because I was wrecked, but I should have taken it much slower.
I also twisted my leg a little on Tues trying to avoid a car and it was really sore on the run up the hill to home. Tried the foam roller this morning. Im big and brave, I'm big and brave! 0 -
In other news, got a message from a friend of mine that I raised money via the WMM for (actually the same person you all raised money for in the Sweepstake, twas around the Sweepstake that me and Muler twigged we had a mutual friend) detailing how much of her mates had raised for her and her kid through running (sweepstake being a massive part of the total pot), cycling and different fundraisers and that's gonna make a huge difference. It's nice that, all the while concentrating on splits and times, you can actually use the final race to not only benefit yourself, but to help someone else too. Even if the race was a bust
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Hannibal Smith wrote: »In other news, got a message from a friend of mine that I raised money via the WMM for (actually the same person you all raised money for in the Sweepstake, twas around the Sweepstake that me and Muler twigged we had a mutual friend) detailing how much of her mates had raised for her and her kid through running (sweepstake being a massive part of the total pot), cycling and different fundraisers and that's gonna make a huge difference. It's nice that, all the while concentrating on splits and times, you can actually use the final race to not only benefit yourself, but to help someone else too. Even if the race was a bust
Well done HS - nice to be able to help such a good cause. That's some coincidence - was one of the best things to happen around here - showed a great community spirit with so many involved - good karma for you too gaining a coach from it 0 -
Well done HS - nice to be able to help such a good cause. That's some coincidence - was one of the best things to happen around here - showed a great community spirit with so many involved - good karma for you too gaining a coach from it
You never know who you're posting with Kit! Its a small world
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Fri 10 July off
My leg was still sore after the car incident so tried kneading and rolling all thurs but it was just making it worse. Contacted the boss who suggested ice and said no running till Sunday. I talked him down to no running only if not better.
Sat 11 July 6m easy -avg pace 10:37
Husband and the kids were goin to Marlay Park so i said id tag along do the run and meet up in the playground after. 1 lap is 2 miles. First downhill second uphill. It felt really great, didnt feel like i was pushing it too hard bit was just a really perfect run. Leg was a bit tight but the ice helped alot. Got to the end of the run and my watch started beeping...fastest 5k 27 mins. I was ecstatic, couldnt believe it! Then it beeped again. Fastest km 4:35...and im like a here that cant be right. But maybe the downhill really added a bit more to the speed than i thought. Messaged Muler, Garmin pic and all (i know sad) and he was all woohoooo..high fivin each other...this plan is rockin!!!
Uploaded the run this morning. I had accidentally clicked my watch in the car Thats all im going to say about that
Sunday 12 July 8 miles - avg pace 11:12
Will be in so much trouble. Was directly told to keep it shorter...but it was humid out. Humidity appears to be knockin the pounds off me so as soon as i see those heavy clouds im gone! It was another perfect strong run and controlled it well enough. Not the fastest, but it had to be slow if i was gonna keep me leg happy. Which it was!
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Pacing Mule wrote: »Can't wait for proper beer mile training to kick in myself
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Wed 15 July 6m easy avg pace 11 mins...time 1:06
I just love the accuracy of all that ^^ Anyhow later in the week was going to get a bit crazy so wanted to get the big runs out of the way. That said it was the day after the crazy hills so took it a bit easy on myself. Best part of it was shouting to the husband...just goin for 6 miles be back soon. Get me!
Thurs - off
Probably should have used this off day to really get another run in but I genuinely couldnt fit it in.
Fri 17 July 4 miles easy 10:32 pace 46:39.
Was really tired heading out. But had a sneaky night out with the husband the night before so improper fueling may have played a part.
Saturday - supposed to me 3 miles but the day really ran away, plus my calves were sore from standing on my tippy toes the whole night before trying to see Hozier <- quite possibly the lamest thing Ive ever said in here . Also it was my birthday so at 6pm when i was still stressin about when i was going to be able to run, I thought you know what, have the day off.
Sunday 19 July - 13.1m avg pace 11:20 min 2:28
It said 11 miles on the plan, but apparently my watch can tell me the pace Im running at, as Im actually running!! No need for guessing!!. So i was able to see straight from the off that I was going too fast. I slowed down and by the time i was 3 miles in I was so happy and so comfortable that I thought if I did 3 laps of the park, I'd have a 3 mile jog home, i might actually be able to get back some of the miles i did yesterday. This has never happened before on a long run. Its always about just scraping through to the required distance. Anyhow i was 2 laps in and i was bored, i was getting tired and i was so sick of dogs heading for my ankles that I copped on to myself and realised it was too much to ask for when there was no need. So i decided to give the half marathon distance an aul craic. Plus the last 2 miles home are uphill, the wind is always in my face so I needed to keep something mentally as well as physically for that. It worked out fairly well all in all.
At the end of the day, I do know I shouldnt be playing catch up on missed runs, but Im so addicted to it all now. I want to see improvement so I want to get it all done. As far as the runs themselves go, Im using my head an awful lot more. Keeping it easy, changing for elevation or weather and conscious of what i need to get home. So im really happy at the moment.
My only concern is the day itself. If i get intimidated by adding speed to a 10k, im not sure how i'll handle adding it to a hm. But then maybe a different kind of speed is a whole different sustainable ball game. Tis interesting finding out 0 -
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