Homeless Couple Living in a Car in Tallaght

Don Kedick · 25-11-2014 3:10pm

seamus wrote: »

Define "afford".

That also doesn't explain why they should. Otherwise what you're saying is that we should all send whatever cash we have left over at the end of the week into Revenue, "because we can afford to".

No, we should have a fair tax system where those who can afford to pay more, pay more. Simple.

Don Kedick · 25-11-2014 3:11pm

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

And what do you pay?

I had problems with my tax return forms.

BoJack Horseman · 25-11-2014 3:11pm

Don Kedick wrote: »

No, we should have a fair tax system where those who can afford to pay more, pay more. Simple.

Keep paying more & more tax until the net effect is that everyone is equally poor!

Genius!

Don Kedick · 25-11-2014 3:12pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

You aren't defending the poor.

Your pretending to defend the idle via troll-ery masquerading as proto-communist idealism

Don Kedick = A man of the people.

Frosty McSnowballs · 25-11-2014 3:13pm

Don Kedick wrote: »

I had problems with my tax return forms.

How's your Nissan Micra today?

Don Kedick · 25-11-2014 3:14pm

Valetta wrote: »

Care to quote the relevant posts to back up this?

It's all over the place. People are saying they're sick of their taxes going to those who don't work.

jimgoose · 25-11-2014 3:14pm

Don Kedick wrote: »

No, we should have a fair tax system where those who can afford to pay more, pay more. Simple.

Those who can afford to pay more already pay more. Much more. Someone on minimum wage pays less than €800 per annum between income tax, PRSI and USC. This rises in a ridiculous logarithmic curve with income. In Germany for example, tax starts higher and earlier, and tends to level out more reasonably with higher incomes.

BoJack Horseman · 25-11-2014 3:14pm

Don Kedick wrote: »

Don Kedick = A man of the people.

Damn straight komrade!

seamus · 25-11-2014 3:15pm

Don Kedick wrote: »

No, we should have a fair tax system where those who can afford to pay more, pay more. Simple.

So, what you're saying is that the tax system is fine the way it is. Because you're describing our current tax system. That IS simple - no changes to be made, woohoo!

Don Kedick · 25-11-2014 3:15pm

Saipanne wrote: »

What's stopping them from lifting themselves up?

A lot are, yet again you have the impression that there's a couple of hundred thousand lay abouts, this is not the case.

Arbiter of Good Taste · 25-11-2014 3:15pm

Don Kedick wrote: »

It's all over the place. People are saying they're sick of their taxes going to those who don't work.

That's you told Valetta!

Don Kedick · 25-11-2014 3:16pm

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

Please stop being deliberately obtuse. Nobody is giving out about poor people. People have a problem with people who refuse to make an effort but expect the taxpayer to support the, at every juncture. Why do you find that so hard to understand?

That describes very few people, very, very few.

Gatling · 25-11-2014 3:17pm

Don Kedick wrote: »

That describes very few people, very, very few.

According to you

Beano · 25-11-2014 3:17pm

seamus wrote: »

So, what you're saying is that the tax system is fine the way it is. Because you're describing our current tax system. That IS simple - no changes to be made, woohoo!

I'm glad we were able to solve that problem today.

Don Kedick · 25-11-2014 3:18pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Keep paying more & more tax until the net effect is that everyone is equally poor!

Genius!

No, they will still have huge amounts of money.

jimgoose · 25-11-2014 3:19pm

Don Kedick wrote: »

No, they will still have huge amounts of money.

'Kin right. And they'll have it - and spend it - somewhere else!

Don Kedick · 25-11-2014 3:19pm

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

How's your Nissan Micra today?

I don't own one.

Don Kedick does not drive a micra.

Don Kedick · 25-11-2014 3:20pm

jimgoose wrote: »

Those who can afford to pay more already pay more. Much more. Someone on minimum wage pays less than €800 per annum between income tax, PRSI and USC. This rises in a ridiculous logarithmic curve with income. In Germany for example, tax starts higher and earlier, and tends to level out more reasonably with higher incomes.

Minimum wage is too low also.

Gatling · 25-11-2014 3:21pm

Don Kedick wrote: »

I don't own one.

Don Kedick does not drive a micra.

Why don't you offer to take in Princes Joblesstown in that way her fella can get a job

jimgoose · 25-11-2014 3:21pm

Don Kedick wrote: »

Minimum wage is too low also.

You'll get no argument from me there, chief - I would say however that as minimum wage rises Jobsbridge-style bullcrap rises with it - but that's a different problem entirely.

Frosty McSnowballs · 25-11-2014 3:21pm

Don Kedick wrote: »

I don't own one.

Don Kedick does not drive a micra.

You just sleep in it then? How many sausage rolls did you have for breakfast?

Why don't you get a job delivering Dominoes Pizza's? You and the mrs never have to leave the car. Sorted

Don Kedick · 25-11-2014 3:22pm

seamus wrote: »

So, what you're saying is that the tax system is fine the way it is. Because you're describing our current tax system. That IS simple - no changes to be made, woohoo!

No, someone earning 40 or 50k is paying way too much. They can't afford to pay this, you have to look higher up the scale.

Beano · 25-11-2014 3:24pm

Don Kedick wrote: »

No, someone earning 40 or 50k is paying way too much. They can't afford to pay this, you have to look higher up the scale.

how much higher up? Cos if you want to lower my taxes you have my vote.

jimgoose · 25-11-2014 3:24pm

Don Kedick wrote: »

No, someone earning 40 or 50k is paying way too much. They can't afford to pay this, you have to look higher up the scale.

Anyone earning decent wages/salary under the PAYE system is being fleeced to death, pretty much regardless of income.

Don Kedick · 25-11-2014 3:25pm

Gatling wrote: »

According to you

This is the crux of the issue. The rich look at anyone unemployed as scroungers, the truth is that the vast majority are looking for work but it just isn't there.

Generic Dreadhead · 25-11-2014 3:26pm

Using the ignore user feature in Boards both raises minimum wage and makes the higher ups pay more taxes cause of the curve and it's more of an amount to have for spending.

Less taxes > More money to spend on tax income

Gatling · 25-11-2014 3:26pm

Don Kedick wrote: »

This is the crux of the issue. The rich look at anyone unemployed as scroungers, the truth is that the vast majority are looking for work but it just isn't there.

Where's all these rich people you constantly refer to exactly,
Do you have a link to all theses Rich Boardsies

BoJack Horseman · 25-11-2014 3:30pm

Gatling wrote: »

Where's all these rich people you constantly refer to exactly,
Do you have a link to all theses Rich Boardsies

You Gatling!

Bourgeoisie filth!

LizT · 25-11-2014 3:32pm

Mod

Don Kedick banned for trolling.
Cormac... banned for continually calling someone a troll (not for the first time either). See how that works?

Report and then ignore trolls please.

Spanish Eyes · 25-11-2014 3:37pm

So now that we can return to normal, I think this couple do not in any way, need to sleep in a car. Ever.

We have tons of supports in this country for people who are in need.

It is up to them to accept the support, or hold out for what the WANT, not what they often NEED.

BoJack Horseman · 25-11-2014 3:40pm

Of course there are alternatives.

This is just another one of those weekly tales fed to the media by fringe communist groups to further an agenda.

Remember this character?

http://www.thejournal.ie/edel-maher-homeless-dublin-hotel-1699174-Sep2014/

Bring back tent-lady I say.

Gatling · 25-11-2014 3:55pm

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

You Gatling!

Bourgeoisie filth!

Bring me a bottle of your finest bubbly squire

(Bubbly aldi water that is )

Saipanne · 25-11-2014 4:10pm

Don Kedick wrote: »

A lot are, yet again you have the impression that there's a couple of hundred thousand lay abouts, this is not the case.

But you said no one could become a banker with free courses.

I did.

What say you?

Arbiter of Good Taste · 25-11-2014 4:29pm

Don Kedick wrote: »

That describes very few people, very, very few.

Ah come on now

the_syco · 25-11-2014 5:38pm

ordinary_girl wrote: »

She said on Newstalk that they wanted a one bed or a two bed but they couldn't get a two bed because she doesn't have a child.

The couple wanted a two bed? Why? So that they could rent out a room, or something?

Don Kedick wrote: »

I was responding to a poster saying that everyone can go to college and get the high paying jobs, this is not the case. The free courses you're talking about will not make you a lawyer or banker.

Get a history degree, and you can work in a bank...

Don Kedick wrote: »

Because they can afford to.

They can afford to move to where they pay less tax, and the only looser is the person on the dole.

Don Kedick wrote: »

Not enough.

Any more, and they'll either leave, or find it cheaper to be on the dole.

Don Kedick wrote: »

I had problems with my tax return forms.

You playing the fiddle?

Don Kedick wrote: »

A lot are, yet again you have the impression that there's a couple of hundred thousand lay abouts, this is not the case.

Then why are they not doing courses?

Don Kedick wrote: »

Minimum wage is too low also.

If you raise it, more people will be on the dole.

Don Kedick wrote: »

This is the crux of the issue. The rich look at anyone unemployed as scroungers, the truth is that the vast majority are looking for work but it just isn't there.

If you dropped the min wage, people could work, but then people wouldn't be able to survive on it.

LizT wrote: »

Mod

Don Kedick banned for trolling.

Goddamit. He won't be able to reply. Well, I expect a new user to reply...

CruelCoin · 25-11-2014 6:59pm

Don Kedick wrote: »

It sounds like this fella doesn't make much money, he wouldn't be going on foreign holidays and eating in fancy restaurants. It's the people who are going on multiple foreign holidays each year and eating in fancy restaurants regularly that should be paying. Low earners like Cruel coin shouldn't have to pay high tax because of their greed.

I'm actually doing quite well, thank you.

Regardless, i still do my 7am to 10:30pm.

Again, drive.

You think i got to my good position because the fairy ****ing godmother waved a wand? Nonsense, i worked for it, and continue to work at it to maintain and improve and diversify my position.

The notion that i should work so hard and be taxed to within an inch of my life so that i can support the poor lambs who didn't work is laughable. Who are you to dip into my pockets as a result of my hard work? I did the work, i made the effort, the rewards should be mine.

You seem to have a complete lack of understanding of the effort required to become successful. A doctor who spends 8 years in training, on top of busting his/her balls in secondary should be allowed to enjoy the fruits of their labours, without lazy grabastic ****s grasping at what they didn't earn.

You mention greed. I'm really not sure who is greedier; the man wanting to enjoy the fruits of his labour, or the second man not working and wanting to sup on the fruits of the first man.

(i'm not a doctor, for illustration only)

Guy:Incognito · 25-11-2014 7:08pm

Harmoni Ripe Overlap wrote: »

I'm sure you know much more about it than the doctor who signed off on it...

The doctor knowing more isn't necessarily a barrier to signing the forms when they shouldn't.

My grandfathers doctor signed competency forms to allow him to continue driving for years longer than he should have.he was a proper danger and in the end family had to step in.

quadrifoglio verde · 25-11-2014 8:59pm

Streetwalker wrote: »

Have to say I agree with that view. Only on the site a few months but find the amount of hatred towards the working class and poorer people in our society a real eye opener. I can only hope most of those making the comments don't ever find themselves in some of the situations these people are unfortunate enough to end up in.

Working class implies that the person works...I don't get annoyed with people who work and pay tax, I'm one of those. I do however get annoyed with people who believe that the taxpayer should keep them in the comforts that they've become accustomed too, even though they don't work.
If I was in the awful situation where I can't work, for whatever reason, I don't expect the tax payer to house me in dublin when the working classes are commuting from portlaoise, I don't expect to get cash from the taxpayer to spend it on breakfast rolls, while those who work can't afford breakfast rolls. What do I exoect? That I'll have a roof over my head, if I have to share I have to share, we've infinite demands but finite resources and a bit of grub to keep me going. I certainly wouldn't be fussy as to where that accommodation is, or how the food is provided.

What this person and her partner are are leeches, who suck the hard earned money out of Peter so that they can go out and spend and live where they want to live. When their demands aren't met, they go to the press, hoping that the powers that be, will decide that they can leech some more of the already strapped for cash Peter.

somuj · 25-11-2014 9:03pm

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

Working class implies that the person works...I don't get annoyed with people who work and pay tax, I'm one of those. I do however get annoyed with people who believe that the taxpayer should keep them in the comforts that they've become accustomed too, even though they don't work.
If I was in the awful situation where I can't work, for whatever reason, I don't expect the tax payer to house me in dublin when the working classes are commuting from portlaoise, I don't expect to get cash from the taxpayer to spend it on breakfast rolls, while those who work can't afford breakfast rolls. What do I exoect? That I'll have a roof over my head, if I have to share I have to share, we've infinite demands but finite resources and a bit of grub to keep me going. I certainly wouldn't be fussy as to where that accommodation is, or how the food is provided.

What this person and her partner are are leeches, who suck the hard earned money out of Peter so that they can go out and spend and live where they want to live. When their demands aren't met, they go to the press, hoping that the powers that be, will decide that they can leech some more of the already strapped for cash Peter.

Post of the day.

ThunbergsAreGo · 25-11-2014 9:08pm

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

Working class implies that the person works...I don't get annoyed with people who work and pay tax, I'm one of those. I do however get annoyed with people who believe that the taxpayer should keep them in the comforts that they've become accustomed too, even though they don't work.
If I was in the awful situation where I can't work, for whatever reason, I don't expect the tax payer to house me in dublin when the working classes are commuting from portlaoise, I don't expect to get cash from the taxpayer to spend it on breakfast rolls, while those who work can't afford breakfast rolls. What do I exoect? That I'll have a roof over my head, if I have to share I have to share, we've infinite demands but finite resources and a bit of grub to keep me going. I certainly wouldn't be fussy as to where that accommodation is, or how the food is provided.

What this person and her partner are are leeches, who suck the hard earned money out of Peter so that they can go out and spend and live where they want to live. When their demands aren't met, they go to the press, hoping that the powers that be, will decide that they can leech some more of the already strapped for cash Peter.

Brilliant post and sums up the frustations alot of people.

Besides why go to Spar for water Aldi is much cheaper!

seligehgit · 25-11-2014 10:17pm

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

Working class implies that the person works...I don't get annoyed with people who work and pay tax, I'm one of those. I do however get annoyed with people who believe that the taxpayer should keep them in the comforts that they've become accustomed too, even though they don't work.
If I was in the awful situation where I can't work, for whatever reason, I don't expect the tax payer to house me in dublin when the working classes are commuting from portlaoise, I don't expect to get cash from the taxpayer to spend it on breakfast rolls, while those who work can't afford breakfast rolls. What do I exoect? That I'll have a roof over my head, if I have to share I have to share, we've infinite demands but finite resources and a bit of grub to keep me going. I certainly wouldn't be fussy as to where that accommodation is, or how the food is provided.

What this person and her partner are are leeches, who suck the hard earned money out of Peter so that they can go out and spend and live where they want to live. When their demands aren't met, they go to the press, hoping that the powers that be, will decide that they can leech some more of the already strapped for cash Peter.

Brilliant post!

Homeless Couple Living in a Car in Tallaght

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