Week 13 Thread

kryogen

11-5 on the week, can't call a Saints game correct ever apparently.

92-44-1

Disappointed with my record

kryogen

kryogen wrote: »

MVP

Most
Valuable
Player

If Watt was the most valuable player in the game the Texans would not have the record they have, if you put a QB like Brady or Rodgers in the Texans team they would, imo, have a better record. Watt is a phenomenal player, most valuable in the league he is not.

we've established above that we feel the award day one was originally meant as the best player in the league award and mvp was used because it was catchier. if the award is literally taken as the most valuable player then it should not be regarded as the premiere individual award and in fact should probably held in lower regard than offensive and defensive player of the year.

kryogen

Its nice that ye have established an opinion on it

kryogen

kryogen wrote: »

Its nice that ye have established an opinion on it

i merely meant that the conversation above was taking that as an assumption (albeit an idealistic one)

D3PO

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Awards generally pander to the average fan. Same with football awards. How often do you see a defender with the Ballon D'or or the English player of the year away, very rare. Terry was the last to win the PFA award in 2004/05 and it was Pallister before that. For the Ballon D'or Cannavaro won it in 2006 and it was Sammer in 1996 before that.

The only difference is that you wouldn't be able to come up with any reasonable argument for a defensive player for the Ballon D'or since Cannavaro won it in 2006, there hasn't been a player consistently good in defense to even be in the conversation since then. The best player wins it regardless of position, which is why defenders, midfielders and forwards have all won it.

Hell a goalkeeper came second last year, the equivalent of a special teams player being in the running for NFL MVP. In football the best player wins regardless of position, same in rugby weather your a forward or a back its irrelevant if your the best player you will win the IRB world player of the year.

The attitude towards MVP and awards if purely an American thing and it makes a mockery of the "award"

Hazys

D3PO wrote: »

The only difference is that you wouldn't be able to come up with any reasonable argument for a defensive player for the Ballon D'or since Cannavaro won it in 2006, there hasn't been a player consistently good in defense to even be in the conversation since then. The best player wins it regardless of position, which is why defenders, midfielders and forwards have all won it.

Hell a goalkeeper came second last year, the equivalent of a special teams player being in the running for NFL MVP. In football the best player wins regardless of position, same in rugby weather your a forward or a back its irrelevant if your the best player you will win the IRB world player of the year.

The attitude towards MVP and awards if purely an American thing and it makes a mockery of the "award"

Goalkeeper is the same as special teams there is only like 6 or so positions in soccer, debatably GK, CB, FB, MC, AM, ST.

In American Football, there is anything upto 17 to 20 different positions: QB, FB, RB, TE, OT, OG, OC, WR, DE, DT, MLB, OLB, CB, S, K, P, LS, Special teams player...not to mention two players who technically have the same position but on different teams, could have an entirely different physical makeup and play an entirely different role.

I think MVP is stupid as some of the voters vote based on as what it is as the most valuable player on the team while other voters based on who they think the best player is regardless on their value to the team.

Yes, the voters latch onto certain names and positions but to say that's uniquely an American thing is ludicrous. Didn't Messi win "MVP" at the World Cup this year? He wasn't even the best player for Argentina not to mention entire tournament.

Billy86

D3PO wrote: »

The only difference is that you wouldn't be able to come up with any reasonable argument for a defensive player for the Ballon D'or since Cannavaro won it in 2006, there hasn't been a player consistently good in defense to even be in the conversation since then. The best player wins it regardless of position, which is why defenders, midfielders and forwards have all won it.

Hell a goalkeeper came second last year, the equivalent of a special teams player being in the running for NFL MVP. In football the best player wins regardless of position, same in rugby weather your a forward or a back its irrelevant if your the best player you will win the IRB world player of the year.

The attitude towards MVP and awards if purely an American thing and it makes a mockery of the "award"