Tamir Rice Video Released

Trekker09

gctest50 wrote: »

more this :

http://i.imgur.com/0d0LAiF.jpg

Do you have kids? What would your reaction be if (God forbid) the police used this as an reason or excuse to kill your child?

Shoot first and ask questions later is not a solution but is part of the problem.

gctest50

Gatling wrote: »

............ but the fact you have an unstable cop with a gun who completely over reacted and and shot a kid without as much as a warning .........

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Loehmann said he and his partner thought Tamir was going to run as they drove up to him, but Tamir turned toward the cruiser.
"The suspect lifted his shirt, reached down into his waistband. We continued to yell 'show me your hands,'" Loehmann said in the statement. "I was focused on the suspect. Even when he was reaching into his waistband, I didn't fire. I still was yelling the command 'show me your hands.'"

"The guy keeps pulling it out," the 911 caller said
"It's probably fake, but you know what, he's scaring the (expletive) out of (inaudible). ...
He's sitting on the swing right now, but he keeps pulling it in and out of his pants and pointing it at people.
I don't know if it's real or not, you know?"


http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/local/cleveland/2014/11/24/listen--911-caller-reports-tamir-rice-incident/19479083/

Gatling

gctest50 wrote: »

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See the problem this is the cop shot him immediately on exiting the cruiser I highly doubt any warnings were given by the unstable officer

end of the road

gctest50 wrote: »

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thats funny. as there was no mention what soever that the cops stated to the kid to show his hands. i doubt that happened. instead of posting fake excuses and some stuff that supposibly happened that may not have, your better off just admitting the possible truth, that you condone the shooting of children and you believe police should be able to act with impunity whatever the cost

gctest50

end of the road wrote: »

thats funny. as there was no mention what soever that the cops stated to the kid to show his hands. i doubt that happened. instead of posting fake excuses and some stuff that supposibly happened that may not have

I don't know - you weren't there, I wasn't there - that was his statement


http://prosecutor.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_prosecutor/en-US/Tamir%20Rice%20Investigation/Officer%20Loehmann%20Statement.pdf

end of the road wrote: »

your better off just admitting the possible truth, that you condone the shooting of children and you believe police should be able to act with impunity whatever the cost

that post is a fairly cretinous leap of logic

Prosecutors said "Tamir was big for his age — 5-foot-7 and 175 pounds, with a men's XL jacket and size-36 pants

gctest50

(poor quality) video from anotehr angle - fbi weren't far away

flatty

gctest50 wrote: »

I don't know - you weren't there, I wasn't there - that was his statement


http://prosecutor.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_prosecutor/en-US/Tamir%20Rice%20Investigation/Officer%20Loehmann%20Statement.pdf






that post is a fairly cretinous leap of logic

Prosecutors said "Tamir was big for his age — 5-foot-7 and 175 pounds, with a men's XL jacket and size-36 pants

To be honest, believing that man's statement is a cretinous leap of logic in light of the actual video evidence.
Whether or not a white child in the hamptons and his 14 year old sister would have been thus treated (and I sincerely doubt they would) I suspect the response of the authorities would have been more robust, to understate it a little.

Gatling

gctest50 wrote: »

I don't know - you weren't there, I wasn't there - that was his statement


http://prosecutor.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_prosecutor/en-US/Tamir%20Rice%20Investigation/Officer%20Loehmann%20Statement.pdf

Yet again the unstable officer fired immediately on exiting the car which meant he had decided the kid was going down ,
How could he fail to comply with orders if he was already shot twice and either died instantly or died while the officers got there stories straight

arybvtcw0eolkf

The kids stupidity got him shot.. Sadly a kid is dead, but in a country where kids daily & routinely shot other kids & adults, where adults shot adults, children and police enforcement you can pretty much expect to be shot for carrying an airsoft or any kind of replica gun like that kid did.

All the airsoft Walter Mitty's should try living in a real gun world before standing in judgement over the people who do this stuff for real.

We'd our own airsoft luncatic in Bolivia, anyone remember that crazy Walt Michael Dwyer who tried to live out one of his fantasies and got blown away for his efforts too?.. Lunatic.

Its really tragic a child was killed, but he and whom ever supplied him the replica were the carpenters who carved his own cross.

Gatling

Luna Rapping Octagon wrote: »

We'd our own airsoft luncatic in Bolivia, anyone remember that crazy Walt Michael Dwyer who tried to live out one of his fantasies and got blown away for his efforts too?.. Lunatic.

That's bs sorry but your wrong on both counts
Michael dwyer wasn't a lunatic and anybody who plays airsoft or collects airsoft replicas aren't Walter mittys or suffering any mental health issues .

darkpagandeath

Gatling wrote: »

That's bs sorry but your wrong on both counts
Michael dwyer wasn't a lunatic and anybody who plays airsoft or collects airsoft replicas aren't Walter mittys or suffering any mental health issues .

That's great an all that but no wrong doing was found and no proceedings are being taken. I.E the cop was not at fault.

Gatling

darkpagandeath wrote: »

That's great an all that but no wrong doing was found and no proceedings are being taken. I.E the cop was not at fault.

Yeah because the kid was blamed for the whole incident and very little attention was put on the unstable cop .
And we've seen time and time again juries in america won't find cops vs blacks guilty of wrong doing

arybvtcw0eolkf

Gatling wrote: »

Michael dwyer wasn't a lunatic and anybody who plays airsoft or collects airsoft replicas aren't Walter mittys or suffering any mental health issues .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5aW08ivHU

Gatling

Luna Rapping Octagon wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5aW08ivHU

Indeed

end of the road

Luna Rapping Octagon wrote: »

The kids stupidity got him shot.. Sadly a kid is dead, but in a country where kids daily & routinely shot other kids & adults, where adults shot adults, children and police enforcement you can pretty much expect to be shot for carrying an airsoft or any kind of replica gun like that kid did.

All the airsoft Walter Mitty's should try living in a real gun world before standing in judgement over the people who do this stuff for real.

Its really tragic a child was killed, but he and whom ever supplied him the replica were the carpenters who carved his own cross.

no no, its the junk who were hired as cops who are at fault for being to trigger happy

Luna Rapping Octagon wrote: »

We'd our own airsoft luncatic in Bolivia, anyone remember that crazy Walt Michael Dwyer who tried to live out one of his fantasies and got blown away for his efforts too?.. Lunatic.

we know he was murdered but nothing else. bolivia isn't the most trust worthy of countries tbh.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

That's great an all that but no wrong doing was found and no proceedings are being taken. I.E the cop was not at fault.

considering prosecution of cops is rare over there, thats not surprising. however it doesn't mean he wasn't in the wrong or at fault. he definitely isn't totally innocent.

Luna Rapping Octagon

Luna Rapping Octagon wrote: »

Its really tragic a child was killed, but he and whom ever supplied him the replica were the carpenters who carved his own cross.

So surprised at that from you.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Deleted User wrote: »

So surprised at that from you.

I don't know why.

Unlike the Walt's I've been in places were people routinely arm themselves, and where an armed person regardless their age could be a threat to your life (and other peoples lives).

I don't have to dress up and play a WWII German soldier, a Russian Spetzan or an Israeli Paratrooper to get my jollies off.

The poor child is dead, but a cop didn't 'murder' him or make a prejudicial killing based on the color of the kids skin. He shot the kid because he thought the gun was real and the person posed a danger with it.

Justified. Tragic, but justified. I've seen children killed, shot or blown to bits in real life. I don't need COD or skirmish games to tell me what its like so forgive me if I've little tolerance for some of the BS I've read here.

Now I've work to go to, I don't have countless hours to spend on this one so please excuse me if I don't reply for a day or two (or not at all if I forget about the thread).

Happy New Year.

Gatling

Luna Rapping Octagon wrote: »

I don't know why.

Unlike the Walt's I've been in places were people routinely arm themselves, and where an armed person regardless their age could be a threat to your life (and other peoples lives).

I don't have to dress up and play a WWII German soldier, a Russian Spetzan or an Israeli Paratrooper to get my jollies off.

It gets worse

Sheeps

Ban Airsoft

darkpagandeath

Gatling wrote: »

Yeah because the kid was blamed for the whole incident and very little attention was put on the unstable cop .
And we've seen time and time again juries in america won't find cops vs blacks guilty of wrong doing

What a load of tripe....

darkpagandeath

end of the road wrote: »

no no, its the junk who were hired as cops who are at fault for being to trigger happy



we know he was murdered but nothing else. bolivia isn't the most trust worthy of countries tbh.


considering prosecution of cops is rare over there, thats not surprising. however it doesn't mean he wasn't in the wrong or at fault. he definitely isn't totally innocent.

Yes he is...

K.Flyer

gctest50 wrote: »

I don't know - you weren't there, I wasn't there - that was his statement

http://prosecutor.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_prosecutor/en-US/Tamir%20Rice%20Investigation/Officer%20Loehmann%20Statement.pdf

From what I see in the video is a youth wandering around a park pointing, and most likely intimidating people, with what appears to be a gun.
When you take into consideration the level of gun crime and schools being shot up by disenfranchised youths, I don't think the first thing going through a cops head is "... I betcha it's only a fake"
If someone wants to act all gangsta pointing guns, fake or otherwise, then there can be consequences, sometimes lethal consequences, unfortunately as in this case.
If some fool was in Stephens Green doing the same and reached for a gun hidden in his waist band when approched, you could possibly end up having the same outcome.
Tragic, but not entirely the cops fault given the state of the country and it's gun crime record.

K.Flyer

Sheeps wrote: »

Ban Airsoft

As if thats going to have even the tiniest remotest effect on illegal arms and gun crime.
:rolleyes:

Gatling

Sheeps wrote: »

Ban Airsoft

Lol

Manic Moran

Sparks wrote: »

Police being issued MRAPs and APCs and millions of dollars worth of military hardware without justification on the other hand...

Eh?

San Bernadino seemed to be a pretty reasonable example recently as to why they are useful in US law enforcement.

One from my neck of the woods last year. http://www.recordnet.com/article/20150817/NEWS/150819763

The report also noted that, although 14 police vehicles were disabled as a result of the rolling shootout, no police officers or bystanders were injured.

If the guys they're chasing (in this case, bank raiders with a hostage) are shooting at and disabling over a dozen police cruisers in a single chase, then damned straight they need armored vehicles.

And it's not as if law enforcement in Europe don't have military-spec armored vehicles to use.

Gatling

Manic Moran wrote: »

Eh?

San Bernadino seemed to be a pretty reasonable example recently as to why they are useful in US law enforcement.

One from my neck of the woods last year. http://www.recordnet.com/article/20150817/NEWS/150819763

The report also noted that, although 14 police vehicles were disabled as a result of the rolling shootout, no police officers or bystanders were injured.

If the guys they're chasing (in this case, bank raiders with a hostage) are shooting at and disabling over a dozen police cruisers in a single chase, then damned straight they need armored vehicles.

And it's not as if law enforcement in Europe don't have military-spec armored vehicles to use.

Wonder why they never went with up armoured cruisers ,
rather than mine resistant Mraps your a former tanker which would you rather have If your were a beat cop

end of the road

Sheeps wrote: »

Ban Airsoft

no

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What a load of tripe....

wrong. what he wrote is fact.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yes he is...

he isn't.

Sheeps wrote: »

Ban Airsoft

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What a load of tripe....

Manic Moran wrote: »

Eh?

San Bernadino seemed to be a pretty reasonable example recently as to why they are useful in US law enforcement.

One from my neck of the woods last year. http://www.recordnet.com/article/20150817/NEWS/150819763

The report also noted that, although 14 police vehicles were disabled as a result of the rolling shootout, no police officers or bystanders were injured.

If the guys they're chasing (in this case, bank raiders with a hostage) are shooting at and disabling over a dozen police cruisers in a single chase, then damned straight they need armored vehicles.

And it's not as if law enforcement in Europe don't have military-spec armored vehicles to use.

of course. military kit for a military police. at least they will be ready for when the big internal american war starts

Sheeps

Just ban it, there's no need for airsoft at all. It just gets people killed.

Gatling

Sheeps wrote: »

Just ban it, there's no need for airsoft at all. It just gets people killed.

No it doesn't

It's played across the world and nobody gets killed

Sheeps

Gatling wrote: »

No it doesn't

It's played across the world and nobody gets killed

*Apart from Tamir Rice

Manic Moran

Gatling wrote: »

Wonder why they never went with up armoured cruisers ,
rather than mine resistant Mraps your a former tanker which would you rather have If your were a beat cop

It's an interesting question, at least to the point of armoring windshields. Many cruisers will have some kevlar in the door panels (The cop taking cover behind their open door isn't as stupid as it appears). Armoring the whole car is unreasonable, the weight will do terrible things to their routine service life of patrolling (plus the cost of fuel), and performance will suffer.

The advantages of taking an ex-military PC over an armored cruiser for special call-outs is that firstly, the ex-military PC is going to be a whole hell of a lot cheaper (The thing's already been built, and is otherwise just going to sit around rusting), and the larger vehicle can more easily conduct a larger variety of functions, from transporting SWAT teams, through being a rolling bullet shield, to doing evacuations. It's why, if a department can afford to buy a special-build vehicle, they go with vehicles like Bearcat, not an armored Dodge Charger. More bang for the buck.

K.Flyer

Sheeps wrote: »

*Apart from Tamir Rice

Ahh, but he wasn't playing Airsoft, was he?

BattleCorp

Airsoft gun or real gun doesn't matter. It would have been impossible for the cop to know 100% which type it was.

Secondly, take out a gun and attempt to point it at a cop and what do you expect to happen?

Sheeps

BattleCorp wrote: »

Airsoft gun or real gun doesn't matter. It would have been impossible for the cop to know 100% which type it was.

Secondly, take out a gun and attempt to point it at a cop and what do you expect to happen?

I agree, ban airsoft

arybvtcw0eolkf

Sheeps wrote: »

I agree, ban airsoft

I know you're on a wind up, but I'll pretend to believe you're not.

No reason to ban it. Like I said airsoft does attract the Walter Mitty type, and maybe I shouldn't mock it like I do as sometimes I'm genuinely complimented when I talk to airsofters.

Its harmless fun, and the gear does look great.

Re. The Walt remarks, I'm also involved in Martial Arts and believe me we get Walts there too, esp the Krav Maga people (my how my eyes roll when they start) ~ Oh and the UFC fanboy/CmcG bandwagon jumpers too, they break my heart.

Banning airsoft is a silly suggestion.

BattleCorp

Sheeps wrote: »

I agree, ban airsoft

You should be more subtle when trolling.