Independence Day: Resurgence **SPOILERS FROM POST 266 ONWARD**

Jumboman

Just found out their making Independence Day 2:eek: Is anyone looking forward to this ? I really dont see the need for a sequel.


http://screenrant.com/independence-day-2-cast-jeff-goldblum-bill-pullman-will-smith-cameo/

After seventeen years of rumors, speculation, and false starts, director Roland Emmerich appears to finally have some traction for the long-awaited Independence Day follow-up, tentatively titled ID Forever. If all goes according to plan, the sequel will actually be comprised of two feature length films – Part I and Part II – with the first installment tentatively scheduled for July 3rd, 2015. The filmmaker has been busy promoting his soon-to-be-released thriller White House Down, starring Channing Tatum and Jamie Foxx, which sees a hostile force take control of the White House and put the President’s life in jeopardy (not to be confused with Olympus Has Fallen).

Crooked Jack

Haha. this sounds brilliantly awful. whats the bets the patriotism is ramped up to 11 and some sort of link made between aliens and "terrorists"

ollie1

Seventeen years since the last Independence Day movie :eek: Man that makes me feel old.

brianregan09

The Aliens come back and obliterate everyone this time......Heres hoping anyway ..and no will smyth to save them this time

Nerdkiller1991

I can't help that they're gonna set up for a disappointment, this time around. What made ID4 so great was its heavy reliance on practical effects (which is why the spaceships, especially when they're about to fire their weapons, still look so good after all these years), and with all the advances in computer graphics and the convenience of it, don't expect them to continue that for the sequel. That being said, the original movie is something that I can just watch over and over again because of how fun it is. At least it's not like Transformers where the non stop action gets all exhausting after a while. ID4 at least has the effort to pace its action properly.

NIMAN

Make ID2?

If only they could unmake ID1 !!

EoghanIRL

Wow they're running out of ideas

Corkfeen

EoghanIRL wrote: »

Wow they're running out of ideas

I think this is a case of Roland Emmerich rehashing his own ideas after covering most disaster scenarios. Expect 'The Day After the Day After Tomorrow' in a few years....

Crooked Jack

Nerdkiller1991 wrote: »

I can't help that they're gonna set up for a disappointment, this time around. What made ID4 so great was its heavy reliance on practical effects (which is why the spaceships, especially when they're about to fire their weapons, still look so good after all these years), and with all the advances in computer graphics and the convenience of it, don't expect them to continue that for the sequel. That being said, the original movie is something that I can just watch over and over again because of how fun it is. At least it's not like Transformers where the non stop action gets all exhausting after a while. ID4 at least has the effort to pace its action properly.

Id4?

No Will smith ?? I dont know how they are going to make this good. I Loved the idea of the dog fights between Earth and the aliens. It made me feel earth was always up against it.

Corkfeen

Corkfeen wrote: »

I think this is a case of Roland Emmerich rehashing his own ideas after covering most disaster scenarios. Expect 'The Day After the Day After Tomorrow' in a few years....

To be fair he has been talking about it for close to 20 years at this stage. I just wish that him and Devlin would kiss and make up so that they could finially make that Stargate sequel.

pixelburp

Deleted User wrote: »

To be fair he has been talking about it for close to 20 years at this stage. I just wish that him and Devlin would kiss and make up so that they could finially make that Stargate sequel.

Hmmm, considering the film already spawned a pretty successful / popular sequence of TV spin-offs - a few TV movies too - is a direct sequel to the original film needed? Heck, would Emmerich even be allowed get his hands on the franchise; I presume the Sci-Fi channel are the ones holding the rights atm, and Emmerich's style seems at odds with what I understand the Stargate mythology morphed into.

Sad Professor

They should do it as spoof. The aliens return to Earth to get revenge on McAfee for the terrible Anti-virus software they sold them. Give John McAfee a leading role. Then Jeff Goldblum, using one of the new MacBook Pros, uploads another virus, destroying whatever is left of their civilisation. Oh and Will Smith and Will Smith Jr. show up and stuff explodes for the last 40 minutes.

If Smith hadn't been in the original Independence Day, then would it have been as good? I haven't seen it in years, but the only bits I can remember involve him and also Bill Pulman's speech.

DoesNotCompute

Will Smith & son crashland on the alien's homeworld, Will breaks both his legs, and his son has to go get the beacon from the tail of the spacecraft, whilst avoiding aliens that have evolved to kill humans. Big twist at the end: "It was Earth all along :eek:"

krudler

the earth is now full of mutants from all the radioactive alien ships crashing into our atmosphere at the end of the first movie

Sofiztikated

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Id4?

ID4 was the shorthand for Independence Day.

x Purple Pawprints x

Deleted User wrote: »

If Smith hadn't been in the original Independence Day, then would it have been as good? I haven't seen it in years, but the only bits I can remember involve him and also Bill Pulman's speech.

I love that speech

Not sure if I'll go see the sequel though. I'm just a bit iffy about it.

x Purple Pawprints x

x Purple Pawprints x wrote: »

I love that speech

Not sure if I'll go see the sequel though. I'm just a bit iffy about it.

A good few years ago with a lot of difficulty using Sound Recorder, my brothers and I did a very funny version where we spliced random Pinky and the Brain noises within the speech, so it'd sound something like -

Good morning. Good morning. Point In less than an hour, aircraft from here will join others from around the world, narf and you will be launching the largest aerial battle in the history of mankind. fjord Mankind, that word should have new meaning for all of us today fjord point narf

It came out pretty funny.

x Purple Pawprints x

Hahaha that would be hilarious!

Was the only video I could find of the speech - apologies for the terrible quality ... and generally because I have nothing better to do today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSg0F2jgkPo

JP Liz V1

Bill Pullman and Jeff Goldblum are returning, Will Smith wants to much cash apparently

Zillah

I am ridiculously excited about this. Shame there's no Will Smith. Don't care in the slightest about Bill Pullman. We got Jeff Goldblum and that's all that matters. I mostly hope we get Robert Loggia back.

JP Liz V1

Zillah wrote: »

I am ridiculously excited about this. Shame there's no Will Smith. Don't care in the slightest about Bill Pullman. We got Jeff Goldblum and that's all that matters. I mostly hope we get Robert Loggia back.

And Judd Hirsch

Zillah

Ha, I was thinking that too!

"You punched the President?!"

norrie rugger

Adam Baldwin needs to be back

JP Liz V1

Might as well get Randy Quaid back as an alien :P

x Purple Pawprints x

No Will Smith? Awh. Pity.

I loved Randy Quaid's character

syklops

So long as Goldblum is in, I'll be happy because after such a long time you can't expect all the originals to be on board. Tbh I had given up on this becoming a reality. When the Day After Tomorrow came out there was hype about a possible ID4-2, but the door was shut on the idea.

What made ID4 so great was its heavy reliance on practical effects (which is why the spaceships, especially when they're about to fire their weapons, still look so good after all these years), and with all the advances in computer graphics and the convenience of it, don't expect them to continue that for the sequel. That being said, the original movie is something that I can just watch over and over again because of how fun it is. At least it's not like Transformers where the non stop action gets all exhausting after a while. ID4 at least has the effort to pace its action properly.

Looking back at movies of that era, it was a great time for special effects. JP in 1995, ID4 in 1996, JP2 in 1997, Armageddon in 1998, and then boom, CGI took over with the likes of Star Wars Episode 1. Could we hope for a ID4++ to not be CGI?

Elessar

ID4 was like, the movie of my childhood. Amazing when it came out and I remember the hype around it. It was everything a young boy could want in a movie! Can't believe it's been 17 years...Personally, I'll want to see this. But it won't touch the original from what I'm reading about the plot.

Honest Trailers did their work on ID4 only a few days ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YtvsxB9xQY

Corkfeen

Deleted User wrote: »

To be fair he has been talking about it for close to 20 years at this stage. I just wish that him and Devlin would kiss and make up so that they could finially make that Stargate sequel.

I liked Stargate but never realised he directed, as a direct result he has risen in my estimates.

Why do you refer to it as ID4? Where does the 4 come out of ..?

Elessar

Deleted User wrote: »

Why do you refer to it as ID4? Where does the 4 come out of ..?

4th July.

EDIT: More specifically, it's trivia from the movie:

The abbreviation "ID4" was invented due to undisclosed legal problems (long since resolved) with the title "Independence Day".

Huh.

The final sentence of the President's speech was not in the original script and was added at the last minute for dramatic effect in an effort to convince 20th Century Fox not to avoid a legal battle to earn the right to name the film "Independence Day." Fox first wanted to open the film on Memorial Day and change the name to 'Doomsday' to avoid the fierce competition on July 4th.

Nerdkiller1991

That's it. After reading through the posts from when I was gone, I'm gonna watch my BD again, tonight.

syklops wrote: »

Looking back at movies of that era, it was a great time for special effects. JP in 1995, ID4 in 1996, JP2 in 1997, Armageddon in 1998, and then boom, CGI took over with the likes of Star Wars Episode 1. Could we hope for a ID4++ to not be CGI?

Well, from what I've heard, JP4 is going to stick with the animatronic/CG blend from the previous movies. But for ID4:2, I don't really expect them to stick to it for the convenience of it. If I remember, the first movie had more miniatures used than any other film before it, which have so much detail compared to anything CG.







That explosion shot alone signifies why practical explosions are better at conveying the damage done to the structure in question. With CG, the damage is usually hand modeled on a computer, which, unlike the more random scatter of a practical shot, would mean the modeller might leave out important damage detail that the explosion offers.

DirkVoodoo

Nerdkiller1991 wrote: »

That explosion shot alone signifies why practical explosions are better at conveying the damage done to the structure in question. With CG, the damage is usually hand modeled on a computer, which, unlike the more random scatter of a practical shot, would mean the modeller might leave out important damage detail that the explosion offers.

Are you sure? I would have thought it was simulated.

Although I've never been, a colleague involved in medical imaging did go to a conference in the states and a lot of work was published by the movie CG crowds such as pixar. I'm not sure how realistic it is to "hand model" such complexities, for example the fur of Sully in Monster's Inc. was all simulated. I would have thought most CGI such as liquids, explosions or even Superman's cape were done using algorithmic simulation and not an animator drawing each frame in the computer:

http://64.106.20.52/~chris2d/papers/cdavis_r2.pdf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K-Gv4XVb10

Zillah

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Are you sure? I would have thought it was simulated.

I remember seeing the behind the scenes footage. They had an eight foot model of that building that they exploded.

Duggy747

The White House was definitely a practical effect and looks all the better for it.

They blew it up, recorded it at high speed, and then slowed the footage down to make the explosion feel more massive:

When filmed scenes for the destruction of New York, this fire truck was just a crappy toy someone bought down in the shop. Look at it's front wheel :pac:

wandatowell

EoghanIRL wrote: »

Wow they're running out of ideas

about time too,



remake all the things!

pixelburp

pixelburp wrote: »

Hmmm, considering the film already spawned a pretty successful / popular sequence of TV spin-offs - a few TV movies too - is a direct sequel to the original film needed? Heck, would Emmerich even be allowed get his hands on the franchise; I presume the Sci-Fi channel are the ones holding the rights atm, and Emmerich's style seems at odds with what I understand the Stargate mythology morphed into.

The rights belong to MGM and Devlin has repeatedly regretted signing over the rights. He struck a deal to produce four films with them and his plan was for two of those to round out the Stargate trilogy he originally envisioned. Both Russell and Spacer have expressed interest and given that part two was to pick up 12years later, the ageing of both wont be such an issue. Sadly, I doubt it'll ever happen and it's a shame as Stargate is one if my favorite films and Devlin's plans were quite interesting

Crooked Jack

Sofiztikated wrote: »

ID4 was the shorthand for Independence Day.

Really? Thats bizarre. i had no idea. Is it something to do with the 4th of july?

DrumSteve

If Judd Hirsch is not in this I may cry. pretty much my favourite film ever, they better not **** up the sequel.

syklops

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Really? Thats bizarre. i had no idea. Is it something to do with the 4th of july?

I think its safe to assume that it is to do with 4th of July, 4th of July being Independence Day.

They will never ruin what I have gotten from this movie so far(I have watched it hundreds of times) but I do hope they do the original justice. They will never surpass the "I gave it a cold" moment though.

krudler

syklops wrote: »

I think its safe to assume that it is to do with 4th of July, 4th of July being Independence Day.

They will never ruin what I have gotten from this movie so far(I have watched it hundreds of times) but I do hope they do the original justice. They will never surpass the "I gave it a cold" moment though.

Being able to hook a laptop from Earth up to an alien craft is one of the dumbest things in the history of cinema though :pac: what did he use to send the virus? wifi? bluetooth? a usb cable? most people cant connect a printer to a network without tearing their hair out never mind an alien mothership :P

norrie rugger

Well he did have a fighter to practice on.

krudler

norrie rugger wrote: »

Well he did have a fighter to practice on.

Pffft, then Will Smith saying he should be allowed fly the fighter cos he was "aware of its capabilities" that's like me saying the navy should let me pilot a fighter jet cos I watched Top Gun :pac:

syklops

krudler wrote: »

Being able to hook a laptop from Earth up to an alien craft is one of the dumbest things in the history of cinema though :pac: what did he use to send the virus? wifi? bluetooth? a usb cable? most people cant connect a printer to a network without tearing their hair out never mind an alien mothership :P

Theres always one.

DirkVoodoo

Zillah wrote: »

I remember seeing the behind the scenes footage. They had an eight foot model of that building that they exploded.

I've seen the making of. I wasn't referring to Independence Day but CG in general. I don't think explosions are "hand drawn" by CG artists, but simulated, that's what I was getting at.

Missing details will depend on the complexity of the simulation.

syklops

krudler wrote: »

Being able to hook a laptop from Earth up to an alien craft is one of the dumbest things in the history of cinema though :pac: what did he use to send the virus? wifi? bluetooth? a usb cable? most people cant connect a printer to a network without tearing their hair out never mind an alien mothership :P

Independence Day is one of my most favourite movies in the world ever, but it does have a few plot holes. Hooking the laptop up to the ship doesn't bother me. I am confident that jeff Goldblums hacker character could build the connector with duck tape and aluminium foil.

That aside, its a scifi movie. There has to be a certain suspension of disbelief for the concept to work. Do you come out of a star trek movie and go "Well none of that could have happened because you can't fly faster than light"?

The more ridiculous plot device for me is the president, now, the leader of the world, risking his life to fly fighter jets. They're desperate for pilots, but they're not that desperate. In the real world the secret service would have tied him to a chair before they allowed that to happen.

Again, its a movie, its not real life. If it was real life, it would have been 34 hours long and the first 3 hours would have been the president in meetings with J3 and those guys use 12 words when 1 would have been enough. Trust me, I was in a meeting with them last week.

crazygeryy

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Bill Pullman and Jeff Goldblum are returning, Will Smith wants to much cash apparently

after his latest effort has bombed beyond belief id say smith will get on board so to speak.

krudler

syklops wrote: »

Independence Day is one of my most favourite movies in the world ever, but it does have a few plot holes. Hooking the laptop up to the ship doesn't bother me. I am confident that jeff Goldblums hacker character could build the connector with duck tape and aluminium foil.

That aside, its a scifi movie. There has to be a certain suspension of disbelief for the concept to work. Do you come out of a star trek movie and go "Well none of that could have happened because you can't fly faster than light"?

The more ridiculous plot device for me is the president, now, the leader of the world, risking his life to fly fighter jets. They're desperate for pilots, but they're not that desperate. In the real world the secret service would have tied him to a chair before they allowed that to happen.

Again, its a movie, its not real life. If it was real life, it would have been 34 hours long and the first 3 hours would have been the president in meetings with J3 and those guys use 12 words when 1 would have been enough. Trust me, I was in a meeting with them last week.

Hey I like it too, it's fun sci-fi silliness, great effects, but nonsensical stuff in it. Suspension of disbelief works when the universe within the movie can set up the tech or whatever and keep it within the realms of logic. explosions that dont enter doorways and laptops that can interface with technology from another galaxy when there's earth based operating systems that dont get on with each other is just stupid

transylman

My opinion is summed up in the video below. First half had some good alien saucer moments, but the movie overall was ruined by the silly ending and ridiculus sterotypes (old jewish guy, gruff military guy, drunken redneck, etc etc)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRQkXg3_Bes