Why do people still eat dairy?

Volvoair

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

This is marvellous. A change in diet resulted in health benefits for the OP but now us weirdos who drink milk from another mammal should really be exiled to Sodom or Gomorrah.

are you related to DORIS300.......:D
"Obnoxious conservative opinion. ''I drank it all my life and I'm fine''. If you got anally raped by a someone everyday for your life you'd have the same view on it as dairy. ''Well yeah people have always done so why should we stop now''.

Alf Veedersane

FluffTheDog wrote: »

You're very narrow minded.

Despite having no problem with dairy or anyone drinking it?

Being narrow minded has obviously been redefined.

El_Dangeroso

Milk is awesome (if you tolerate it).

It's a really nutrient dense food. I was trying to make a nutritionally complete diet from the fewest possible foods for fun recently (yeah, I have a weird definition of fun) and the easiest way to make that happen was to include milk.

Came down to:

1.5 litres milk
1.5 litres orange juice
50g calves liver
1 cup spinach

Prob a bit low on fiber, vit d and polyphenols etc but couple more veggies and a bit of sun sort that out.

yimrsg

Do you eat honey OP?

enfant terrible

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Milk is awesome (if you tolerate it).

It's a really nutrient dense food. I was trying to make a nutritionally complete diet from the fewest possible foods for fun recently (yeah, I have a weird definition of fun) and the easiest way to make that happen was to include milk.

Came down to:

1.5 litres milk
1.5 litres orange juice
50g calves liver
1 cup spinach

Prob a bit low on fiber, vit d and polyphenols etc but couple more veggies and a bit of sun sort that out.

Would low fat milk be better?

Find that easier with digestion.

FluffTheDog

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Despite having no problem with dairy or anyone drinking it?

Being narrow minded has obviously been redefined.

I don't have a problem with anyone drinking it. All I'm doing is questioning it. Unlike a lot of people who just drink it because that's what has always been done.

FluffTheDog

yimrsg wrote: »

Do you eat honey OP?

No. It has stomach acid in it from the bees because of the regurgitation process, so it's not good for teeth.

Thisname

Human beings originally ate plant food-fruits, veggies, seeds, nuts etc. It's what we were designed to eat and is the healthiest diet. People have cured themselves of diseases like cancer, arthritis etc just by radically changing their diet.

El_Dangeroso

FluffTheDog wrote: »

No. It has stomach acid in it from the bees because of the regurgitation process, so it's not good for teeth.

Greenmachine

Thisname wrote: »

Human beings originally ate plant food-fruits, veggies, seeds, nuts etc. It's what we were designed to eat and is the healthiest diet. People have cured themselves of diseases like cancer, arthritis etc just by radically changing their diet.

And to think a doctor would recommend chemo for cancer :rolleyes:

Human being are onminvores. We have incisors to rip animal flesh apart. Next please.

El_Dangeroso

enfant terrible wrote: »

Would low fat milk be better?

Find that easier with digestion.

Whatever you'd prefer, low fat still has a decent amount of fat and therefore fat soluble vitamins in it so whatever floats you boat.

FluffTheDog

Lol I'm sure a little bit is fine but I used to have it everyday on my porridge so I just switched to maple syrup. I like my teeth, they're nice the way they are.

El_Dangeroso

FluffTheDog wrote: »

Lol I'm sure a little bit is fine but I used to have it everyday on my porridge so I just switched to maple syrup. I like my teeth, they're nice the way they are.

But maple syrup is prob about the same nutritionally as honey if not a little better. Honey doesn't cause cavities like refined sugar because it's naturally antimicrobial and it also contains some pretty powerful prebiotics.

FluffTheDog

Greenmachine wrote: »

And to think a doctor would recommend chemo for cancer :rolleyes:

Human being are onminvores. We have incisors to rip animal flesh apart. Next please.

Lol when do you ever rip animal flesh apart? You don't. You cook it after someone else chopped it up and packaged it for you, then you use your sharp knife to cut it into little bits and then you chew it. No ripping of animal flesh like a real omnivore. Human teeth are flat like other plant eaters. Dogs are omnivores, look at their teeth. Completely different.

Del.Monte

OP - it may come as a surprise to you but none of us are getting out of here alive. However, most of us are going to try to enjoy our lives, and are not too worried whether or not we ultimately make a healthy corpse.

FluffTheDog

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

But maple syrup is prob about the same nutritionally as honey if not a little better. Honey doesn't cause cavities like refined sugar because it's naturally antimicrobial and it also contains some pretty powerful prebiotics.

I just looked it up on cronometer. Maple syrup is better in terms of vits and minerals yes. Actually has a lot of manganese and b2. Honey doesn't have much nutritional value it seems. Anyway that's not the point, I don't want the stomach acids in it.

El_Dangeroso

FluffTheDog

Del.Monte wrote: »

OP - it may come as a surprise to you but none of us are getting out of here alive. However, most of us are going to try to enjoy our lives, and are not too worried whether or not we ultimately make a healthy corpse.

I know. But honestly, we can be healthy as vegans and it's so more sustainable for the planet to live on plant foods. And I know people don't really care about the animals but it's just so unnecessary to have all that life being created and destroyed.

In terms of enjoyment, I feel so liberated since I went veg. No cravings and emotional dependence on biscuits and chocolate anymore! If you're a man you probably won't understand but I think most women drive themselves crazy thinking about food. And it's just unnecessary tbh.

Anyway this thread has gotten OT!

hfallada

FluffTheDog wrote: »

I know. But honestly, we can be healthy as vegans and it's so more sustainable for the planet to live on plant foods. And I know people don't really care about the animals but it's just so unnecessary to have all that life being created and destroyed.

In terms of enjoyment, I feel so liberated since I went veg. No cravings and emotional dependence on biscuits and chocolate anymore! If you're a man you probably won't understand but I think most women drive themselves crazy thinking about food. And it's just unnecessary tbh.

Anyway this thread has gotten OT!

Yes being a vegan maybe better for the environment. But billions choose to eat meat and other animal products, as its their choice. They eating what they like to eat.

Im not vegan and I dont anything that is sweet. So I dont how your comment about chocolates is relevant. Most vegan diets are questionable as they eat so many refined carbs, which arent that healthy compared to proteins such as eggs or meat. Most carbs are quite unhealthy and most independent food scientists, often dont have anything positive to say about refined carbs. They cause blood sugars to spike just like chocolates and sugary items

OP you should look at farming in Ireland. Its not the BS that PETA make farming out to be. There is nothing morally wrong with the Irish dairy industry.

Greenmachine

FluffTheDog wrote: »

Lol when do you ever rip animal flesh apart? You don't. You cook it after someone else chopped it up and packaged it for you, then you use your sharp knife to cut it into little bits and then you chew it. No ripping of animal flesh like a real omnivore. Human teeth are flat like other plant eaters. Dogs are omnivores, look at their teeth. Completely different.

Dogs are carnivores.

Scientific classification
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Carnivora
Family: Canidae
Genus: Canis
Species: C. lupus
Subspecies: C. l. familiaris

The fact that they will eat what you put in front of them does not change what their natural diet is. Clearly you are really inciteful given your opposition to eating dairy. There are a multitude of things that human do that other animals don't do. What other animal ferments alcohol or cooks their food. I am guessing that you also advocate the raw food diet.

One could likely live perfectly ommitting most of what your diet might consist of. Nut, beans, pulses, or even any of the grains you might choose to eat. I could pick any that you chose to omit. You are assuming cause and effect too. Your change in iron level is not as a result of omitting milk but your more focused effort on measuring what your are eating and taking things in to consideration.

uck51js9zml2yt

Whatever about the milk being stolen from those poor calves and fed to humans, what about those poor veggies sitting in their nice warm soil and being ripped unmercifully from the ground to be eaten by humans of all things.
Has no one considered their feelings and the pain they have to endure.

I think we need a new poll. Should Joe Duffy be called on Monday for his opinion on the subject?

endacl

Only just found this thread. Well done op. You have me convinced. Black tea tomorrow, and orange juice on the porridge!

Anything else I could be doing?

FluffTheDog

hfallada wrote: »

Yes being a vegan maybe better for the environment. But billions choose to eat meat and other animal products, as its their choice. They eating what they like to eat.

Im not vegan and I dont anything that is sweet. So I dont how your comment about chocolates is relevant. Most vegan diets are questionable as they eat so many refined carbs, which arent that healthy compared to proteins such as eggs or meat. Most carbs are quite unhealthy and most independent food scientists, often dont have anything positive to say about refined carbs. They cause blood sugars to spike just like chocolates and sugary items

OP you should look at farming in Ireland. Its not the BS that PETA make farming out to be. There is nothing morally wrong with the Irish dairy industry.

I was pointing out how miserable it is to always be craving chocolate and stuff and how I don't get them anymore. You should look up Dr Neal Barnard, he has a book on a high carb low fat vegan diet and diabetes. It's not as simple as carbs raise blood sugar.

Listen, I know what Irish farming is like. I grew up in the country surrounded by dairy farms. Most of my friends come from them. But it's still unnecessary to have all them animals. And let's be honest, there's no kind way to kill an animal.

And yeah, PETA actually has some questionable sh!t going on tbh and I don't like their approach at promoting veganism at all.

papu

FluffTheDog wrote: »

I was pointing out how miserable it is to always be craving chocolate and stuff and how I don't get them anymore. You should look up Dr Neal Barnard, he has a book on a high carb low fat vegan diet and diabetes. It's not as simple as carbs raise blood sugar.

Where's Bruno26 at ?

Tell me how

FluffTheDog wrote:

I think the dairy issue is a no brainer, and I want to see what other people think, not just veggies!

No brainer comes to mind alright...

Ave Sodalis

OP, given the crap you're spouting here and thinking you're right, please tell me you actually properly researched your diet before you tried it?

Saipanne

FluffTheDog wrote: »

I've just wondering why people do this in this day and age. Lots of people getting into health and starting to think about what they put in their bodies, yet grown adults are still drinking milk that comes from another mammal. Do people really think that it's normal to do so? Or more so, do they think it's healthy? Or worse.. necessary?!

So damn good...

jacksie66

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pidgeoneyes

Someone's lawn got cut up by a herd of cows:rolleyes:

ciara1052

Your entire attitude to dairy is kind of bizarre. It is simply a group of foods which humans have evolved to be able to consume with no negative effects (at least in this part of the world). The only reason (as mentioned earlier in this thread) that only the young of other mammals stop drinking it because the gene that allows them to metabolise the sugar in dairy (lactose) doesn't persist as they age. However in Europe - lactase persistence alleles which allows us to continue to metabolise dairy into out adult years occur at a high frequency (Basically - the majority of people here aren't lactose intolerant).

There is a reason people evolved to be able to consume dairy. The ability to consume another food source would have been and still is highly beneficial - especially when it contains an abundance of vitamins and minerals and is high in calories. The idea that you think it's strange or odd really don't matter - they're just your perceptions. Lots of things humans do now can be considered strange or odd - we started cooking food for starters. The same way many people think it's strange to kill animals and consume the meat. At the end of the day it's just another source of energy.

Milly33

What she said well done ciara1052

Im lactose intolerant and I still have bits of it. especially if Celebrations are around
nothing weird about those
om nom nom
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LuckyLloyd

FluffTheDog wrote: »

You're very narrow minded.

If narrow minded equates to not believing that a vegan diet cured asthma I'd like to own the label.

Greenmachine

Looks like fluff has ran to ground.

ch750536

We're all individuals. If we reworded the OP to be 'bugs are really good for us, why aren't we eating more' then you would probably see their perspective on milk. Personally I see the whole milk thing as odd.

From an asthma perspective, my eldest lad has a number of nasal \ bronchial issues and he improved greatly when we removed dairy from his diet. Not ruling out coincidence of course.

laoch na mona

dairy is good for you and tastes good so why wouldn't I eat it

papu

Huge Study on Raw Milk and how children raised on it have fewer allergies and less asthma , so something to think about there.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/11/12/raw-milk-benefits.aspx

Sources and Links to the study are on the end of that page

ch750536

Shhhhh! Don't say raw milk....
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/04/the-rawesome-raid-and-raw-milk-controversy/

ch750536

laoch na mona wrote: »

dairy is good for you and tastes good so why wouldn't I eat it

That's fine if you think no further. Eaten many bugs today? They're good for you and taste nice, so why not?

papu

ch750536 wrote: »

Shhhhh! Don't say raw milk....
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/04/the-rawesome-raid-and-raw-milk-controversy/

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/food-and-drink/regulations-for-sale-of-raw-milk-being-considered-by-department-of-agriculture-1.1985545

Regulations for sale of raw milk being considered by Department of Agriculture

laoch na mona

ch750536 wrote: »

That's fine if you think no further. Eaten many bugs today? They're good for you and taste nice, so why not?

i chose not to, get my protein from other sources

LuckyLloyd

I'm really not interested in ethics / morals / religion dictating what you eat.

If there's real science supporting a vegan approach as the best approach I've yet to see it. What I've seen a veritable load of however is anecdotal 'I went vegan and it cured all my diseases' type nonsense.

Show me this great army of elite vegan athletes. I like to try and achieve moderate feats of physical strength. Would be very difficult (or impossible) if I was vegan imo.

ciara1052

ch750536 wrote: »

That's fine if you think no further. Eaten many bugs today? They're good for you and taste nice, so why not?

If bugs were commercially available I know many who wouldn't have a problem consuming them. Many of the insects people eat frequently aren't prominent here like dairy is so it's not really a fair comparison. Also I know with grasshoppers that they're more of a snack food - for it to be substantial you'd have to eat quite a lot of it (this is based on one article I read and is open to correction). The only really substantial insect I believe is mealworms (again open to correction) - and - again - I don't know if you can even get those here.

I think it's important to add that insects are eaten in many parts of the world because they're widely available and have become a part of main diet over the years.

laoch na mona

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I'm really not interested in ethics / morals / religion dictating what you eat.

If there's real science supporting a vegan approach as the best approach I've yet to see it. What I've seen a veritable load of however is anecdotal 'I went vegan and it cured all my diseases' type nonsense.

Show me this great army of elite vegan athletes. I like to try and achieve moderate feats of physical strength. Would be very difficult (or impossible) if I was vegan imo.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/09/08/vegan_strongman_shoulders_550_kg_a_record_perhaps_at_vegetarian_food_fest.html

it's doable but I doubt it's the easiest way.

El_Dangeroso

I'm paraphrasing Chris Rock when I say 'You can drive with your feet, but it doesn't make it a good f-ing idea.'

Alf Veedersane

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

I'm paraphrasing Chris Rock when I say 'You can drive with your feet, but it doesn't make it a good f-ing idea.'

Bigger and Blacker, ftw.

It's a very very versatile quote

mickman

FluffTheDog wrote: »

I was pointing out how miserable it is to always be craving chocolate and stuff and how I don't get them anymore. You should look up Dr Neal Barnard, he has a book on a high carb low fat vegan diet and diabetes. It's not as simple as carbs raise blood sugar.

.

You got them before due to a bad diet. Nothing to do with dairy

long range shooter

FluffTheDog wrote: »

I've just wondering why people do this in this day and age. Lots of people getting into health and starting to think about what they put in their bodies, yet grown adults are still drinking milk that comes from another mammal. Do people really think that it's normal to do so? Or more so, do they think it's healthy? Or worse.. necessary?!

What planet where you born on?

unjedilike

How the hell do you eat your cornflakes?

witchgirl26

Came across this thread & find it interesting all right. I'm lactose intolerant which developed in adult hood. Drank milk (& lots of it) during my childhood. Yes going off dairy really did help my sinus problems (there is a known link there) and also my IBS but the latter was mainly down to the fact that my intolerance was having a knock on effect on my IBS as opposed to it "curing" it. I still have it & it flairs.

I don't have any issue with milk or dairy products well apart from the smell but that's just since my intolerance fully kicked in. Like others have said, we have evolved in this part of the world over hundreds of years to be able to properly digest milk....well most of us. In fact there's probably more gluten-intolerances than dairy because we're still evolving to cope with the amount of carbs now in our diets. If you look back over the last century, the diet was not made up of mostly carbs but of veg & protein. And by carbs I mean more bread, pasta, rice etc as opposed to potatoes (which the Irish obviously have evolved to eat loads of :P)