Will Wayne Rooney Break The Premier League Goalscoring Record?

Paully D

Watching Goals on Sunday and they showed the graphic of top Premier League all-time goalscorers, which got me thinking if Wayne Rooney will break the record held by Alan Shearer. So as per the thread title, when all is said and done, do you think he'll do it?



He needs 83 Premier League goals to break it and probably has around 5 seasons left in him (which would average at around 17 goals a season), but the fact he has been playing 40 games a season since he was 16/17 might see him slow down a bit earlier. In addition, he has been playing a deeper role at times too which doesn't help in terms of goalscoring.

Since he has been at Manchester United, the below is his league goalscoring record according to Wiki. Over the last 5 years he has averaged 19 a season:



Poll to follow.

RayCon

I voted no based on the "5 season left in him and playing a deeper role" reasoning ... can't see him getting into late teens goals scored consistently for the next 5 yrs.

Will I Amnt

It all depends on the fortunes of the club. A few more years of mediocrity and he hasn't a hope, unless he does it with Chelsea or City :pac:

Lord TSC

Voted no.

I honestly don't think he has 5 seasons at 16 goals a season left in him. Maybe 2 or 3, but I think he'll ultimately fall just short.

jimmii

Voted no.

Can see him reaching 230-240 but he's probably a year or two behind reaching 260. Maybe if he is some how able to extend his career giggs style he might get there but with all the injuries he has had and how he plays it seems unlikely.

madcabbage

No

No hope in high hell can he keep that consistency of goals for another 5 years. Would love to see it happen but as you've said about the 40 games a season since he was 16, it'll make it a serious feat.

Shearer has over 280 goals I thought or have his goals pre premier league been disallowed??

Surely total goals is the real record?

Gbear

I presume the effort to make everyone ignore everything that came before 1992 is the PL's doing.

The actual records are this:

1 Jimmy Greaves 1957–1972 516 357
2 Steve Bloomer 1892–1910 536 317
3 Dixie Dean 1924–1938 362 310
4 Gordon Hodgson 1925–1940 456 287
5 Alan Shearer 1988–2006 559 283
6 Charlie Buchan 1912–1928 482 257
7 Nat Lofthouse 1946–1960 452 255
8 Joe Bradford 1921–1935 410 248
9 Hughie Gallacher 1925–1938 355 246
10 Joe Smith 1925–1938 410 243

rob316

No way he was never that 30 goal a season striker like shearer was. He will finish with a mighty impressive tally though alright for a player who spent his career been shunted around the pitch.

With the game gone the way it is, it's safe to say shearers record will never be beaten

Will I Amnt

Gbear wrote: »

I presume the effort to make everyone ignore everything that came before 1992 is the PL's doing.

The actual records are this:

1 Jimmy Greaves 1957–1972 516 357
2 Steve Bloomer 1892–1910 536 317
3 Dixie Dean 1924–1938 362 310
4 Gordon Hodgson 1925–1940 456 287
5 Alan Shearer 1988–2006 559 283
6 Charlie Buchan 1912–1928 482 257
7 Nat Lofthouse 1946–1960 452 255
8 Joe Bradford 1921–1935 410 248
9 Hughie Gallacher 1925–1938 355 246
10 Joe Smith 1925–1938 410 243

Well that's a completely different question than that asked in the thread title.

Turtyturd

Can't see it happening. Has only hit the required average 3 times in the past 10 years so expecting him to do it 5 seasons in a row is a bit optimistic.

Turtyturd

Turtyturd wrote: »

Can't see it happening. Has only hit the required average 3 times in the past 10 years so expecting him to do it 5 seasons in a row is a bit optimistic.

He's past his peak too and I'm not so sure he'll be the type of player to play late into his career.

kryogen

Depends on how long he plays tbh, but Shearer always played as the centre forward, the fact that Wayne has scored so many while playing much of his career in other positions is a testament to his achievement already. He is in with a shot but my instinct says no

chopperbyrne

No.

curry-muff

Also has to be said, after looking at the table of PL record goalscorers - Lampard at #5 for a midfielder is simply incredible.

PhlegmyMoses

rarnes1 wrote: »

He's past his peak too and I'm not so sure he'll be the type of player to play late into his career.

Huge call to say he's past his peak. Been one of our best players this year.

Talib Fiasco

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Huge call to say he's past his peak. Been one of our best players this year.

Doesn't matter if he's been yer best player this year, fact is the Rooney of old is gone...he was consistently devastating a few years back. Nowadays he can have a few stinkers in the same month as a top performance.

Will I Amnt

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Huge call to say he's past his peak. Been one of our best players this year.

Didn't you get the memo? Paul Scholes said he might be past his best in an article so that's what we're all going with ever since then.

bucketybuck

If he had played as the main striker his entire career then he would already be close to beating the record.

But he wasn't. And so he won't.

Guy:Incognito

bucketybuck wrote: »

If he had played as the main striker his entire career then he would already be close to beating the record.

But he wasn't. And so he won't.

and if Shearer had joined Utd the record would probably be a good bit higher, But he didn't , and its isn't.

PhlegmyMoses

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Doesn't matter if he's been yer best player this year, fact is the Rooney of old is gone...he was consistently devastating a few years back. Nowadays he can have a few stinkers in the same month as a top performance.

He always had stinkers. The Rooney of old has been gone about 5 years, but he still keeps banging them in. His game has changed and he has been pretty good this year, will score around 20 goals.

Giggsy11

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Didn't you get the memo? Paul Scholes said he might be past his best in an article so that's what we're all going with ever since then.

Rooney is past his peak, Mata also. Smalling is useless, Jones is crap. It's so obvious :pac:

niallo27

He will be 30 next year. He probably is past his peak. It's doesn't mean he is not still a great player. Do utd fans think he is as good now as he was the seasons after receiving Ronaldo left.

sky88

No i just cant see anyone breaking the record ever

niallo27

How close would fowler have got I wonder if things had worked out better.

PhlegmyMoses

niallo27 wrote: »

He will be 30 next year. He probably is past his peak. It's doesn't mean he is not still a great player. Do utd fans think he is as good now as he was the seasons after receiving Ronaldo left.

He's a different player. The Rooney of 07/08 was more explosive but this Rooney fits into the team better. His goalscoring since Ronaldo left has also improved.

I'm not saying he's not past his peak, I just think it's ridiculous to say it for definite. But that's the internet for you: absolutes and defintives.

Giggsy11

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

He's a different player. The Rooney of 07/08 was more explosive but this Rooney fits into the team better. His goalscoring since Ronaldo left has also improved.

I'm not saying he's not past his peak, I just think it's ridiculous to say it for definite. But that's the internet for you: absolutes and defintives.

Also people forgot the barren period he had in 2007-08 and also in 2008-09 seasons. He used to score in a row then go part of season without scoring.

PhlegmyMoses

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Huge call to say he's past his peak. Been one of our best players this year.

Tbf, that's not saying much. Utd have been quite average this year.

A few years ago he was right up there with the best in the league, now he's a level or two below. Plenty were calling for him to be dropped only a month or 2 ago.

PhlegmyMoses

rarnes1 wrote: »

Tbf, that's not saying much. Utd have been quite average this year.

A few years ago he was right up there with the best in the league, now he's a level or two below. Plenty were calling for him to be dropped only a month or 2 ago.

I disagree with almost all of this so we'll leave it there as I can't see us finding common ground.

PhlegmyMoses

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

I disagree with almost all of this so we'll leave it there as I can't see us finding common ground.

I'd say you only disagree with one part (his level one or two levels below) as the rest is true

ie

- Utd have been average this year.
- Rooney was one of the best players in the league a few years ago.
- Plenty were calling for him to be dropped only a month or 2 ago.

eagle eye

I voted no because I think he has lost a lot of pace and while he still has a lot going for him right now I just can't see him still playing, as a starter, at the top level in three years time. He has had a long senior career already and it looks like its already starting to take its toll. All you have to do is look at his injury record over the last 12 months or so. He missed 11 games last season and has already missed a couple this season. I think that is going to continue and get worse as time goes by.

Will I Amnt

eagle eye wrote: »

I voted no because I think he has lost a lot of pace and while he still has a lot going for him right now I just can't see him still playing, as a starter, at the top level in three years time. He has had a long senior career already and it looks like its already starting to take its toll. All you have to do is look at his injury record over the last 12 months or so. He missed 11 games last season and has already missed a couple this season. I think that is going to continue and get worse as time goes by.

Injury prone is not something I'd label him with. Are you sure he missed that amount, I can't remember any injuries this season. I can only remember 1 spell out injured last season.

PhlegmyMoses

rarnes1 wrote: »

I'd say you only disagree with one part (his level one or two levels below) as the rest is true

ie

- Utd have been average this year.
- Rooney was one of the best players in the league a few years ago.
- Plenty were calling for him to be dropped only a month or 2 ago.

Nope. He is still in and around the best players in the league. I need to clarify that I mean season, not year. United have been pretty good this season. Playing some nice stuff despite injuries and are one of the form teams in the league.

United also have an abundance of talent up front, so dropping him every so often when another is in form is inevitable. It's not like City, Chelsea or Liverpool, where they have one nailed on starting striker and his support cast. United have far more options up front so if Rooney has a quiet game or two, some will call for Falcao or RVP or Mata or whoever.

This is why we won't agree. Your opinions masquerading as definitive "true" statements are worlds away from where I'm at. There is no real common ground.

PhlegmyMoses

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Nope. He is still in and around the best players in the league. I need to clarify that I mean season, not year. United have been pretty good this season. Playing some nice stuff despite injuries and are one of the form teams in the league.

United also have an abundance of talent up front, so dropping him every so often when another is in form is inevitable. It's not like City, Chelsea or Liverpool, where they have one nailed on starting striker and his support cast. United have far more options up front so if Rooney has a quiet game or two, some will call for Falcao or RVP or Mata or whoever.

This is why we won't agree. Your opinions masquerading as definitive "true" statements are worlds away from where I'm at. There is no real common ground.

Utd are on a similar point total this season than under Moyes. Performances have improved in recent weeks for sure though.

He's not on a par with Costa or Aguero to name two, no shame in that though.

United fans were calling for him to be dropped, that's true anyway.

Blue giant

rarnes1 wrote: »

Utd are on a similar point total this season than under Moyes. Performances have improved in recent weeks for sure though.

He's not on a par with Costa or Aguero to name two, no shame in that though.

United fans were calling for him to be dropped, that's true anyway.

I would put him up there with Costa if he is being played up front. I think Aguero is on another level to any other striker in the league.

Blue giant

Blue giant wrote: »

I would put him up there with Costa if he is being played up front. I think Aguero is on another level to any other striker in the league.

If he's that good play him up front

Rayne Wooney

He won't break it but it's just as impressive considering he has played most of his career not as a striker

Rayne Wooney

rarnes1 wrote: »

If he's that good play him up front

Because he scored 17 and assisted 10 in the league last season not playing up front

Because he is worth more to the team further back when you have the likes of RVP and Falcao to play up front anyway

If United hadn't got those options he would play up front and would likely match Costa and Aguero, that's what the other poster is saying but you're dipping into a lot of different arguments

Blue giant

rarnes1 wrote: »

If he's that good play him up front

Well so is RVP at his best and maybe Falcao (haven't seen enough of him since his Atletico days). There have been a lot of people calling for him to be played up front recently as well. Tbh I don't see the clamour surrounding Costa. He's a good player but not at the level of Aguero or Suarez last year.

Rayne Wooney

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Because he scored 17 and assisted 10 in the league last season not playing up front

Because he is worth more to the team further back when you have the likes of RVP and Falcao to play up front anyway

If United hadn't got those options he would play up front and would likely match Costa and Aguero, that's what the other poster is saying but you're dipping into a lot of different arguments

Unlikely.

Costa is a beast and Aguero is exceptional.

Blue giant

rarnes1 wrote: »

Unlikely.

Costa is a beast and Aguero is exceptional.

Likely.

Rooney is too.

Rayne Wooney

And yet Aguero has never outscored Rooney in a premier league season despite him playing up front and Rooney not

Anyone else struggling to find the logic

Chucky the tree

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

And yet Aguero has never outscored Rooney in a premier league season despite him playing up front and Rooney not

Anyone else struggling to find the logic

I doubt it. Then again I'd say most people are smart enough to factor in appearances.

Rayne Wooney

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I doubt it. Then again I'd say most people are smart enough to factor in appearances.

Then I hope the people who are smart enough to factor in appearances actually look them up and aren't igornant to them, in the last 3 seasons Rooney still wins despite not playing up front

Aguero - 52 goals in 87 appearances

Rooney - 56 goals 90 appearances

Since Aguero arrived in England.

64 goals in 99 apps

Rooney 61 in 100 apps.


Nothing will convince me Rooney is near Ageuros current level though, even if he played up top.

He has peaked imo and Aguero is probably only coming into his.

Pro. F

niallo27 wrote: »

He will be 30 next year. He probably is past his peak. It's doesn't mean he is not still a great player. Do utd fans think he is as good now as he was the seasons after receiving Ronaldo left.

I'd say he's a bit better now. Still not good enough to get that scoring record unless he's moved up front permanently.

AllGunsBlazing

You'd nearly forget about Les Ferdinand's impact on the Premiere League. Beast of a player. Hasselbaink cant be far off that top ten?

As for Rooney, it's not impossible at all. Say, if he were to drop down a level from Man U in his autumn years and keep the wagon rolling along.

DildoFaggins

Rooney will never be on Aguero's level, a great player but will never be in the same bracket.

Chucky the tree

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Then I hope the people who are smart enough to factor in appearances actually look them up and aren't igornant to them, in the last 3 seasons Rooney still wins despite not playing up front

Aguero - 52 goals in 87 appearances

Rooney - 56 goals 90 appearances

Why are you ignoring this season?

Rayne Wooney

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Why are you ignoring this season?

Because my original point was he never outscored him in a PL season, most people are smart enough to realise that 13 games isn't a season...

Chucky the tree

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Why are you ignoring this season?

This season doesn't count as Aguero is on fire!