Will Wayne Rooney Break The Premier League Goalscoring Record?

Chucky the tree

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Because my original point was he never outscored him in a PL season, most people are smart enough to realise that 13 games isn't a season...

But 23 games is a season? Didn't your original point also say Rooney did it when not being a striker? You need to leave out Rooneys 11/12 season then.

Paully D

Paully D wrote: »

-- do you think he'll do it?



He needs 83 Premier League goals to break it-



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No chance imo, he has scored 93 in the last 5 full seasons, I can't see him being in the starting 11 for Man Utd in 4 years time.

Rayne Wooney

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

He won't break it but it's just as impressive considering he has played most of his career not as a striker

Lampard never played as a striker
You must be unreal impressed with him

Rayne Wooney

Augeo wrote: »

Lampard never played as a striker
You must be unreal impressed with him

Lampard is one of my favourite players from the PL era tbh

Chrissybhoy

Rooneys form dips too often for him to break it I think. Should be closer only for his form in the past dipping too much

TheCitizen

rarnes1 wrote: »

Shearer has over 280 goals I thought or have his goals pre premier league been disallowed??

Surely total goals is the real record?

It's ridiculous to differentiate between league goals scored in the top flight in England before/after the Premiership/Premier League brand came about. 283 league goals is Shearer's total, that's what Rooney has to beat to be top league goalscorer.

Turtyturd

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Rooneys form dips too often for him to break it I think. Should be closer only for his form in the past dipping too much

Or he doesn't over achieve enough?

GavRedKing

Another thing that stands out on that list is Henrys 175 league goals for one club.

What a player.

Will I Amnt

Some people seem to be struggling with the question posed in the thread title. It's fairly straightforward.

Or it's just people having a debate. Not every topic has set in stone rules.

It's reasonable to bring up goals scored in the top flight when such a discussion arises. Anyone mid 30s and over can remember pretty well football pre Sky!

anncoates

Paully D wrote: »

MaroonAndGreen

Doubt it considering he will more than likely play a deeper role later in his career.. and also he would need to avoid injuries really to keep up a rate of 17 goals per season.

Cienciano

I hope he does. Purely because I hate Alan Shearer so much on Match of the DAy :pac:

Kirby

It's possible. I cant see him leaving United. Despite all the nonsense that's gone on in the last few years with him threatening to leave. That was just angling for a better deal. He'll see out his career at United.....which gives him a chance to break the record.

People are forgetting that RvP only has 1 or 2 seasons left in him a United. 3 at the most and that the Falcao deal isn't a sure thing. Rooney is going to play a lot of football over the next few seasons......most of it up front.

I do think he peaked earlier in his career. He's slower now than he was and he doesn't have as much energy and stamina as he used to. That doesn't mean he cant break the record though.

Regarding the Rooney v Aguero debate, the general consensus is that Aguero is the top dog. A few might disagree here and there, but I'd wager most that do are United fans. Aguero has that burst of speed that Rooney doesn't, and he's a more clinical finisher. The only question mark about Aguero is can he stay fit.

Will I Amnt

Kirby wrote: »

Regarding the Rooney v Aguero debate, the general consensus is that Aguero is the top dog. A few might disagree here and there, but I'd wager most that do are United fans. Aguero has that burst of speed that Rooney doesn't, and he's a more clinical finisher. The only question mark about Aguero is can he stay fit.

There wasn't really a debate on who is better, someone said that Rooney would be notching up similar goalscoring stats to Agüero if he was played as the main striker, it doesn't necessarily mean they think he is a better player.

Kirby

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

And yet Aguero has never outscored Rooney in a premier league season despite him playing up front and Rooney not

rarnes1 wrote: »

Nothing will convince me Rooney is near Ageuros current level though, even if he played up top.

He has peaked imo and Aguero is probably only coming into his.

DildoFaggins wrote: »

Rooney will never be on Aguero's level, a great player but will never be in the same bracket.

I dunno Will. Seems like a debate on who is better to me.

Will I Amnt

I don't see some posts unless they're quoted...
Either way, I think it was more of a debate on whether Rooney was capable of scoring the same kind of numbers as Agüero, not necessarily if he was better.
I didn't see anybody say Rooney was the better player, it's only a debate when there is 2 sides.

Kirby

Kirby wrote: »

I dunno Will. Seems like a debate on who is better to me.

14 goals for Aguero now in 14 games.

He's on Messi/Ronaldo type strike rate, genius.

Rayne Wooney

Kirby wrote: »

I dunno Will. Seems like a debate on who is better to me.

Aguero can have his more clinical finishing and more pace but at the end of the day Rooney will likely put the ball in the net just as much if not more than him played as a striker so it doesn't count for much does it?

Super-Rush

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Aguero can have his more clinical finishing and more pace but at the end of the day Rooney will likely put the ball in the net just as much if not more than him played as a striker so it doesn't count for much does it?

Huh?

The slower, less clinical finisher will score more?

You are quite the little fanboy aren't you?

TheDoc

rarnes1 wrote: »

Unlikely.

Costa is a beast and Aguero is exceptional.

And Rooney has one of the most reliable goal scoring records in world football, over a prolonged period.I've long argued that its scandal he is played anywhere but up front. His ability and acceptance to play elsewhere has come to his own detrimant and that of the teams I believe.

He should have been first choice STRIKER, and any other names to be worked around him.

I remember in an interview Ibrahimovic was being asked about England, why he never went there, etc. and he got onto talking about great English players he admires. Rooney, Gerrard and Scholes he spoke about. And mentioned how there seems to be a lack of arrogance in English players, that stop them reaching the next level. Mentioned how he wouldnt be at a club long being asked to play out wide.

Always felt he had a really good point

Will I Amnt

Super-Rush wrote: »

Huh?

The slower, less clinical finisher will score more?

You are quite the little fanboy aren't you?

Way to be simplistic...
Berbatov finished top scorer one season. He certainly wasn't the quickest or most clinical striker in the league.

TheDoc

TheDoc wrote: »

And Rooney has one of the most reliable goal scoring records in world football, over a prolonged period.I've long argued that its scandal he is played anywhere but up front. His ability and acceptance to play elsewhere has come to his own detrimant and that of the teams I believe.

He should have been first choice STRIKER, and any other names to be worked around him.

I remember in an interview Ibrahimovic was being asked about England, why he never went there, etc. and he got onto talking about great English players he admires. Rooney, Gerrard and Scholes he spoke about. And mentioned how there seems to be a lack of arrogance in English players, that stop them reaching the next level. Mentioned how he wouldnt be at a club long being asked to play out wide.

Always felt he had a really good point

Not as arrogant or not as dedicated?

Has Rooney really looked after his body the same as the guys at the very top? He looks in decent shape this season but some years he was definitely carrying more than he could be.

niallo27

rarnes1 wrote: »

Not as arrogant or not as dedicated?

Has Rooney really looked after his body the same as the guys at the very top? He looks in decent shape this season but some years he was definitely carrying more than he could be.

On 40 benson would do that to you.

Rayne Wooney

Super-Rush wrote: »

Huh?

The slower, less clinical finisher will score more?

You are quite the little fanboy aren't you?

Face palm

Super-Rush

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Face palm

Yeah for you.

Sheepy99

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Way to be simplistic...
Berbatov finished top scorer one season. He certainly wasn't the quickest or most clinical striker in the league.

Flair. Something Aguero has plenty of.

niallo27 wrote: »

On 40 benson would do that to you.

How do you know this to be true? (Don't say 'newspapers'.)

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I don't see some posts unless they're quoted...
Either way, I think it was more of a debate on whether Rooney was capable of scoring the same kind of numbers as Agüero, not necessarily if he was better.
I didn't see anybody say Rooney was the better player, it's only a debate when there is 2 sides.

Given there's only one side, it's a landslide then, Aguero is the better.

In response to the thread title, if circumstances work in his favour, (Van P going out the door, giving him the striker spot) I think he'll pull it off. As mentioned though, football existed pre-1992, so beating that record holds a similar weight to being the top goalscorer for the last 10, 13 or whatever random number of years you want to pick. Shearer's Division1 goals obviously count too meaning he'll never have really beaten the record.

Either way he'll go down as one of English league football's better strikers, and rightly so. The whole haggling for a better contract twice situation takes away from people's opinion of him i think, no need to go into that though.

zAbbo

No

TheCitizen wrote: »

It's ridiculous to differentiate between league goals scored in the top flight in England before/after the Premiership/Premier League brand came about. 283 league goals is Shearer's total, that's what Rooney has to beat to be top league goalscorer.

Not sure what your argument is, on one hand you say it's ridiculous to differentiate between the old and new, and then say Rooney has Shearers target to beat (There are 4 players who have scored more than Shearer - Greaves has 357)


Old first division had 22 teams, so played 4 more games a season compared to PL

Cienciano

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Way to be simplistic...
Berbatov finished top scorer one season. He certainly wasn't the quickest or most clinical striker in the league.

Berbatov was the fastest and most clinical finisher that played the most games that year.

Will I Amnt

Cienciano wrote: »

Berbatov was the fastest and most clinical finisher that played the most games that year.

Super rush seemed to be confused as to how a slower, less clinical player could score more goals, totally disregarding the club played for, chances that came their way and games played.

You are oversimplifying it, for instance, there could be only 2 other forwards that played the amount of games Berbatov did.

smileyj1987

He cools break the record if he is played as a striker but if he is being used as a link man or playmaker then it might not happen . It's 50/50 at this stage but he does have a good shot at making it happen .

Iused2likebusts

I think he will break the record he seems the type that loves playing football and I can see him push himself to play as long as possible. A move back to Everton in a few years time may be on the cards.