PLEASE READ. boards.ie League Buying from un-managed Poll DECEMBER 2014

modo85

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bazarakus wrote: »

1. I can tell yous definitively that the clubs with the poorest rating squads will be able to bid the most for any player available by making buying from Unmanageds possible. I did this in THE GOOD LEAGUE a few seasons back – turned it back on after a season or two and the clubs which benefitted were the ones with weak squads. They could bid the most. They have to have the cash to bid of course. It coincided with a lot of cross pollination from boards so any managers around THE GOOD LEAGUE at the time will be able to tell you. The average strength of your squad dictates the max amount you can bid because your chairman will NOT allow you to overbid for a player he doesn’t tink you need. Upshot – it will not help Big Bad Bayern!

2. The reason cash is disappearing from clubs without managers is this: you get about five days grace when you quit a club during which time they don’t buy any players and the cash balance is left alone. If however you leave them Unmanaged for much longer than that the balance will reset to a few million. You can of course avoid this by spending all your cash on players before you leave. The downside of this is that if you take a club over too quickly you get stuck with their debt. Just took over a club in English 2 and inherited a 3m debt. Lovely.

3. In my opinion “Gentleman’s Agreements” (such as the idea that only clubs in Divvy 3 or 4 can buy from Unmanaged clubs are a nonsense. You can’t police it and you can’t stop folk either abusing it or (more common) breaking the rule by mistake. Less rules not more people! The vote isn’t to allow buying from Unmanageds for Divvy 3 and 4 it’s across the board(s). You don’t need to police it, the system is set up (see point 1) to benefit the weakest.

Your 1st point is true but also misleading, yes smaller teams can bid more but they wud have to sell the majority of their team to max bid out a top team in a bidding war as most small teams have no money..

so take me for example, with a budget of -300k and I wanted to bid on chadli. Yes I can outbid bayern munich but for me to generate that 20 million id have to sell 2/3 of my best players at cost price to get that money.. there is also another side to this, a top team senses a small team needs to generate money for the bidding wars and will pick up good players at a good price

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modo85 wrote: »

Your 1st point is true but also misleading, yes smaller teams can bid more but they wud have to sell the majority of their team to max bid out a top team in a bidding war as most small teams have no money..

so take me for example, with a budget of -300k and I wanted to bid on chadli. Yes I can outbid bayern munich but for me to generate that 20 million id have to sell 2/3 of my best players at cost price to get that money.. there is also another side to this, a top team senses a small team needs to generate money for the bidding wars and will pick up good players at a good price

Lets take Chadli as an example.....

If say Bayern (for the sake of the example above) does get him in a bidding war, 2 things....


1. There are other players of value at Celtic and clubs can only bid on 1 player at a time, so chances are your getting a great deal of some sorts (obviously this does not stand for the clubs with the 1-2 very good players, Celtic would be more the exception than the rule, but still its a valid point)

2. Assume Bayern did get Chadli and Celtic came up (unlikely but for the sake of the example, assume so) you would not have to face that player in D3, hence making D3 more competitive, in theory.... game engine probably dictates otherwise but if we are going on highly rated players being the soul of the game engine then you see my point....


Point 2 of course also leads on to my previous points about players being unhappy at bigger teams, the wage bills tend to be higher etc....... The main point I would make to the lower division clubs is at least you have a chance to bag these players, whats the alternative? I honestly cannot see a downside to this for the lower ranked teams????

modo85

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The only way these players can be dished out fairly imo is if everyone was put in a draw and the first team out got first pick on a player he wanted, this way everyone gets a piece and no one is at an advantage at the end of it.

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modo85 wrote: »

Your 1st point is true but also misleading, yes smaller teams can bid more but they wud have to sell the majority of their team to max bid out a top team in a bidding war as most small teams have no money..

so take me for example, with a budget of -300k and I wanted to bid on chadli. Yes I can outbid bayern munich but for me to generate that 20 million id have to sell 2/3 of my best players at cost price to get that money.. there is also another side to this, a top team senses a small team needs to generate money for the bidding wars and will pick up good players at a good price

To be fair .... I sold off 20 lesser players over the last season in an attempt to build a kitty to purchase players and reduce my spend on wages. If i dont buy a player till end of season i'll make +20m profit on top of what i have saved.

Ive made a consious desicion to be picky about the newly adds i bid on in order to keep a cash reserve ... I can bid big on every youth that gets added to the gw and run a neg balance sheet too but decided to keep cash available incase the right deal/player comrs along ... Thats not even with an eye on buying from unmanaged, thats just from the pt of view of some one mighr be needing 10m to complete a deal and being willing to sell a player im intetested in.


Edit: im not having a dig btw, I'm just pointing out that if I decided to sell Thiago for cash( Down Napoli, I'm not ) then you currently dont have the cash either ... so people might need to change the way they do transfers if unmanaged players were to become available and they want to be in with a chance of getting said players ... this was my point earlier in the thread ...knowing now whether or not we can buy these players will allow teams to (try) build up a cash reserve - which in it self might stimulate the transfer market

modo85

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GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

To be fair .... I sold off 20 lesser players over the last season in an attempt to build a kitty to purchase players and reduce my spend on wages. If i dont buy a player till end of season i'll make +20m profit on top of what i have saved.

Ive made a consious desicion to be picky about the newly adds i bid on in order to keep a cash reserve ... I can bid big on every youth that gets added to the gw and run a neg balance sheet too but decided to keep cash available incase the right deal/player comrs along ... Thats not even with an eye on buying from unmanaged, thats just from the pt of view of some one mighr be needing 10m to complete a deal and being willing to sell a player im intetested in.

In fairness if a smaller club said this to me id say fair enough but this is a case of a big club explain how he does business

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modo85 wrote: »

Your 1st point is true but also misleading, yes smaller teams can bid more but they wud have to sell the majority of their team to max bid out a top team in a bidding war as most small teams have no money..

so take me for example, with a budget of -300k and I wanted to bid on chadli. Yes I can outbid bayern munich but for me to generate that 20 million id have to sell 2/3 of my best players at cost price to get that money.. there is also another side to this, a top team senses a small team needs to generate money for the bidding wars and will pick up good players at a good price

It's not misleading. I'm not telling folk how much they have in the kitty. I don't know how much anyone has in the kitty. But anyone who has been in the league for a season or more has no excuses or reasons to complain about not having cash. They do what everyone in such a situation does: they buy young risers (who are added to the game pretty much every day) then sell them when their value goes up. You can turn 1m into 50m in a year doing this. No excuses.

A top team senses a small team? What, with their Spidey Sense?? Come on, man!

COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

modo85

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bazarakus wrote: »

It's not misleading. I'm not telling folk how much they have in the kitty. I don't know how much anyone has in the kitty. But anyone who has been in the league for a season or more has no excuses or reasons to complain about not having cash. They do what everyone in such a situation does: they buy young risers (who are added to the game pretty much every day) then sell them when their value goes up. You can turn 1m into 50m in a year doing this. No excuses.

A top team senses a small team? What, with their Spidey Sense?? Come on, man!

COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right this statement here just proves my argument that big clubs are out of touch with smaller clubs

So which is it lads buy the young risers which builds up your squad numbers and in turn ur debt and wait till they rise to make 50 million a season or is it gt's idea of selling your young prospects which in turn will decrease your wage bill and give you 20 million at the end of the season?

If only it was that easy lads

as regards your spidey senses statement, seriously are you for real? You dont need spidey senses to know wen a team is looking to offload a player for cash just like all the vultures were out in forces wen they used their 'spidey senses' to sense a newbie who only recently joined was offloading big players for little a few weeks back

TheGunns

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You're essentially writing off the unmanaged teams by allowing players to be bought off them. I'd like to think that one day this gameworld will be full again but if the squads are scalped then there is no chance at all.

Transfers aren't hard to do if you're willing to give up something. You can't expect hand me downs from top clubs which I would guess most smaller clubs do. Not willing to sell a good prospect and then wondering why they can't make transfers for higher rated players. The only other reason the smaller clubs don't progress is because they're not active enough or don't try enough.

When buying from unmanaged is turned on, bigger clubs will always benefit more as most smaller clubs probably won't bother (such as Lyon-who will always be my example as it such a ridiculous situation) or will have a lack of cash (they can offer more but they certainly don't have more)

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tupac_healy wrote: »

Who does 8-10 manage????

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

And Techniques07.

I think DH2k9 is Anzhi but I could be wrong

DH2k9 is Anzhi & tech is Sevilla.

8-10 is the only one I don't know as he has no posts, if you happen to actually manage a club can you let us know mate.

11-9 votes in favor of turning it on by my checking there, left out the vote by 8-10

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modo85 wrote: »

Right this statement here just proves my argument that big clubs are out of touch with smaller clubs

So which is it lads buy the young risers which builds up your squad numbers and in turn ur debt and wait till they rise to make 50 million a season or is it gt's idea of selling your young prospects which in turn will decrease your wage bill and give you 20 million at the end of the season?

If only it was that easy lads

as regards your spidey senses statement, seriously are you for real? You dont need spidey senses to know wen a team is looking to offload a player for cash just like all the vultures were out in forces wen they used their 'spidey senses' to sense a newbie who only recently joined was offloading big players for little a few weeks back

Well OK what do I know about taking a team over with very little budget and building it up so you have loads of cash.

Hmmm ... was I serious when I was talking about the Spidey Sense? I'm afraid I can't answer that ... suffice to say if I had a Spidey Sense it would be saying "What a cock. Don't bother with him. He's a moany cvnt with delusions of persecution who, if you agree with him, will change his mind and say you got him wrong in the first place" So I'll just leave it at that. Knob. Big club mentality is just running riot around here. Ruining it for us plucky underdog clubs. There, I says it!

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Just voted to turn it on, hope it works out. Peace out from Leverkusen .

KERSPLAT!

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Gonna start selling some youth, will need a decent budget come end of season!

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8-10 has kindly let me know he used manage in the GW but not anymore and feel free to set his vote aside.

Lord TSC

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1. I can tell yous definitively that the clubs with the poorest rating squads will be able to bid the most for any player available by making buying from Unmanageds possible. I did this in THE GOOD LEAGUE a few seasons back – turned it back on after a season or two and the clubs which benefitted were the ones with weak squads. They could bid the most. They have to have the cash to bid of course. It coincided with a lot of cross pollination from boards so any managers around THE GOOD LEAGUE at the time will be able to tell you. The average strength of your squad dictates the max amount you can bid because your chairman will NOT allow you to overbid for a player he doesn’t tink you need. Upshot – it will not help Big Bad Bayern!

Utterly disagree; as Drogheda down in Div 4, I only managed to nab a single player when it was turned on. Even then, it was weeks later and I got lucky; it was weeks later when everyone had stopped, and I nabbed a player from Southampton by selling them one first. Meanwhile, Div 3 and 4 remain largely barron and will probably never be filled again. As a "small team", I didn't have the cash to compete, I couldn't compete on multiple fronts like other teams.

The reality is the real small teams, the Divs 3 and Divs 4, may be able to bid more, but they won't have the cash to compete. At best, they might get a single 88-89 rated player, but they won't have the room to get a 90+ player.

Trying to sell this as something to help the small teams is selling a lemon. It won't work that way.

Strong teams will get stronger and hoard more players.
Unmanaged teams get pillaged and will never be managed again.
Small teams will still find it as hard to get players.

This, I honestly feel, will not do what some are trying to paint it as. Its a nice idea in theory but in actuality, it won't work in the favour of anyone but the strongest teams.

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The Governor wrote: »

8-10 has kindly let me know he used manage in the GW but not anymore and feel free to set his vote aside.

Sign him up!


Loads of free clubs

modo85

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Lord TSC wrote: »

Utterly disagree; as Drogheda down in Div 4, I only managed to nab a single player when it was turned on. Even then, it was weeks later and I got lucky; it was weeks later when everyone had stopped, and I nabbed a player from Southampton by selling them one first. Meanwhile, Div 3 and 4 remain largely barron and will probably never be filled again. As a "small team", I didn't have the cash to compete, I couldn't compete on multiple fronts like other teams.

The reality is the real small teams, the Divs 3 and Divs 4, may be able to bid more, but they won't have the cash to compete. At best, they might get a single 88-89 rated player, but they won't have the room to get a 90+ player.

Trying to sell this as something to help the small teams is selling a lemon. It won't work that way.

Strong teams will get stronger and hoard more players.
Unmanaged teams get pillaged and will never be managed again.
Small teams will still find it as hard to get players.

This, I honestly feel, will not do what some are trying to paint it as. Its a nice idea in theory but in actuality, it won't work in the favour of anyone but the strongest teams.

Very very well said, I agree 100% and I knew bazarakus' point about small teams benefitted by being able to bid more was very misleading as you quite clearly pointed out from your experiences.

you are also correct in saying that opening this will not serve its purpose which is to help smaller teams.

Eventually down the line div4 will be scrapped with div 3 not far behind

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Lord TSC wrote: »

Utterly disagree; as Drogheda down in Div 4, I only managed to nab a single player when it was turned on. Even then, it was weeks later and I got lucky; it was weeks later when everyone had stopped, and I nabbed a player from Southampton by selling them one first. Meanwhile, Div 3 and 4 remain largely barron and will probably never be filled again. As a "small team", I didn't have the cash to compete, I couldn't compete on multiple fronts like other teams.

The reality is the real small teams, the Divs 3 and Divs 4, may be able to bid more, but they won't have the cash to compete. At best, they might get a single 88-89 rated player, but they won't have the room to get a 90+ player.

Trying to sell this as something to help the small teams is selling a lemon. It won't work that way.

Strong teams will get stronger and hoard more players.
Unmanaged teams get pillaged and will never be managed again.
Small teams will still find it as hard to get players.

This, I honestly feel, will not do what some are trying to paint it as. Its a nice idea in theory but in actuality, it won't work in the favour of anyone but the strongest teams.

That's a single 88-89 player that they don't have right now (I'd feel safe in saying that this could even make the difference for some as to weather to quit or carry on in the GW, who know's it could be THAT one player they are after), and if the big boys hoover up some of the divisions other 88s and 89's then it makes that division even move of a level playing field.......

Still not seeing a downside, after all the big boys can only put 11 on the pitch same as the rest........ so if they have 20 or so 88's-89's causing concerns and upping their wage bill then...... whats the down side to that again?

PerrinV2

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tupac_healy wrote: »

That's a single 88-89 player that they don't have right now (I'd feel safe in saying that this could even make the difference for some as to weather to quit or carry on in the GW, who know's it could be THAT one player they are after), and if the big boys hoover up some of the divisions other 88s and 89's then it makes that division even move of a level playing field.......

Still not seeing a downside, after all the big boys can only put 11 on the pitch same as the rest........ so if they have 20 or so 88's-89's causing concerns and upping their wage bill then...... whats the down side to that again?

Concerns? shure ppl just swap players to alleviate the concerns(with the intention of swapping back when the ban is up I believe)

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KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Gonna start selling some youth, will need a decent budget come end of season!

See.....


Market has kick started already :D:D

KERSPLAT!

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Sure I could just keep swapping players to keep concerns down, seems to be the done thing now.

Again, unmanaged teams will be gutted and no one will want them. At the moment say there are 15 unmanaged, they all get raided, no one wants them again. Another manager leaves, team gets raided, no one wants them again... And so on and so on, until there are less and less teams worth managing and no one new willing to take them on because they have been gutted and haven't a penny to spend

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KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Gonna start selling some youth, will need a decent budget come end of season!

Mate how come you have to emphasize how much of a big shopping spree you'll go on every single time this comes up?

Ala

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I don't care how I sound but that's why I buy youth. So they rise to the first team or they rise enough to use in part ex to get me better players. If this goes through I'll be on a shopping spree!

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

I've 65m ready to go and about 30 youths to trade if it is turned off but I'd rather it stay on

You wouldn't be planning to buy a load of players just for the sake of trying to prove your own point would you now? I'd have more respect if you just feckin bought them cause you wanted 'em for a cup team and kept stum instead of whats obviously an attempt to intimate lads from voting to turn it on

KERSPLAT!

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tupac_healy wrote: »

See.....


Market has kick started already :D:D

Aye, I've plenty of useless 75s, fire in some bids!!

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I've said already ... if I were to get a player in the event of unmanaged buying being allowed, I would only be looking for players that would improve my first 11, if they dont improve my first 11 i'm not interested.

in the event I do end up buying I tend to sell to balance it out.

I'm not going to buy an 88 just to stick him on the bench, if i buy a player he'll go in my team ... other/richer/higher rated teams might approach it differently, thats their right but shooting down the 'turn it on' arguments while promising to build up cash to go buy players if this gets changes is imo ... a little childish and possibly aimed at unsettling the undecided voters

tupac_healy

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PerrinV2 wrote: »

Concerns? shure ppl just swap players to alleviate the concerns(with the intention of swapping back when the ban is up I believe)

If it MUTUALLY benefits both sides why not? Are there rules being broken?

KERSPLAT!

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GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

I've said already ... if I were to get a player in the event of unmanaged buying being allowed, I would only be looking for players that would improve my first 11, if they dont improve my first 11 i'm not interested.

in the event I do end up buying I tend to sell to balance it out.

I'm not going to buy an 88 just to stick him on the bench, if i buy a player he'll go in my team ... other/richer/higher rated teams might approach it differently, thats their right but shooting down the 'turn it on' arguments while promising to build up cash to go buy players if this gets changes is imo ... a little childish and possibly aimed at unsettling the undecided voters

Childish, ah go on outta that ffs. It looks like it'll be turned on so I'll build my kitty and be ready for the end of season as everyone else will. That said, I'm still against it. What's the problem? My argument is my way of trying to sway the undecided, I don't need to play games.

KERSPLAT!

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tupac_healy wrote: »

If it MUTUALLY benefits both sides why not? Are there rules being broken?

No rules broken but its the counter argument against your point of big teams having problems with concerns. There won't be a problem if we swap players who have concerns and take them back a few months later.

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KERSPLAT! wrote: »

No rules broken but its the counter argument against your point of big teams having problems with concerns. There won't be a problem if we swap players who have concerns and take them back a few months later.

But how about the neglected to mention part about what happens in those few months, a team could get promoted off of it..... oh wait

KERSPLAT!

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The Governor wrote: »

Mate how come you have to emphasize how much of a big shopping spree you'll go on every single time this comes up?

Ala





You wouldn't be planning to buy a load of players just for the sake of trying to prove your own point would you now? I'd have more respect if you just feckin bought them cause you wanted 'em for a cup team and kept stum instead of whats obviously an attempt to intimate lads from voting to turn it on

Not to make a point, to have a better team.

If someone is intimidated by a couple of posts on boards, they have bigger issues than a poll on soccermanager.

If you have a problem with my posts you're free to report them, I won't be keeping 'stum'.

KERSPLAT!

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tupac_healy wrote: »

But how about the neglected to mention part about what happens in those few months, a team could get promoted off of it..... oh wait

I don't get the joke

GT_TDI_150

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KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Not to make a point, to have a better team.

If someone is intimidated by a couple of posts on boards, they have bigger issues than a poll on soccermanager.

If you have a problem with my posts you're free to report them, I won't be keeping 'stum'.

Funny post that!

KERSPLAT!

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GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

Funny post that!

I'm glad you liked it

PerrinV2

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tupac_healy wrote: »

If it MUTUALLY benefits both sides why not? Are there rules being broken?

Not against any rules that I can see.
I wonder why those developers put concerns in the game,hmmm..

Lord TSC

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Concerns won't be an issue. Once teams get pillaged, then there'll be nothing to spend cash on again, so people can just pay them off.

The big problem in this gameworld isn't buying from unmanaged teams, or a lack of cash....it's that people don't buy and sell between each other except for crazy deals.

Buying from unmanaged teams will see a load of big teams buy a load of players for about two weeks, and then the transfer market will die again, because it won't shift attitudes that are the bigger problem. The end result will simply be strong teams get stronger and unmanaged teams are killed off.

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KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Not to make a point, to have a better team.

If someone is intimidated by a couple of posts on boards, they have bigger issues than a poll on soccermanager.

If you have a problem with my posts you're free to report them, I won't be keeping 'stum'.

Funny that given you have arguably the best squad in the GW, not to mention a few 90+ players for the bench, like I said acting like a child cause the vote is currently going against you.

I can understand the points and concerns the likes of Modo and Lord TSC come out with and your points , but its plain as day this whole "well if its voted on lads I guess I'll be buying all around me " is nothing short of the old if we don't play my way I'm taking the ball and going home.

Here's a few sweeties little fella, now run along and play

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KERSPLAT! wrote: »

I don't get the joke

I..... got promoted...... :rolleyes:

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PerrinV2 wrote: »

Not against any rules that I can see.
I wonder why those developers put concerns in the game,hmmm..

Not sure, if you find one maybe you could ask them why there are no 'buy back clauses' in the game.....


They exist in real life

KERSPLAT!

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The Governor wrote: »

Funny that given you have arguably the best squad in the GW, not to mention a few 90+ players for the bench, like I said acting like a child cause the vote is currently going against you.

I can understand the points and concerns the likes of Modo and Lord TSC come out with and your points , but its plain as day this whole "well if its voted on lads I guess I'll be buying all around me " is nothing short of the old if we don't play my way I'm taking the ball and going home.

Here's a few sweeties little fella, now run along and play

I won't be taking any ball or going anywhere, I'll have a look at the clubs and will bid on any player I want to add to my squad. As Tupac said, I can only bid for 1 from each team at a time and having the team I have will put me at a disadvantage bidding wise anyway. If you don't like how I post there are plenty of things you can do to avoid reading them

As for the baiting, good luck with it

KERSPLAT!

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tupac_healy wrote: »

I..... got promoted...... :rolleyes:

Using swapped players? Good for you

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KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Using swapped players? Good for you

Thanks, weather it be sarcastic or genuine, I'm happy to accept your complement regardless :D

KERSPLAT!

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Not sarcastic at all, I just didn't know if you were serious or if I was missing something

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rasco1975, no posts in the SM forum, another void vote I'd say?

KERSPLAT!

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You'd wonder why they bother.

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I think it 12-9 once dud votes are dropped

The Governor

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13-10 my count.

GT_TDI_150

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The Governor wrote: »

13-10 my count.

10-8
Manzoor

Techniques
rasco

I could be wrong but I think these dont currently manage a club in the boards league

hufpc8w3adnk65

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I voted lads, leave it as is, been thinking long and hard and I think it's better as is! Tho stimulating the transfer market would be something I'd like too try and do somehow

KERSPLAT!

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MrMac84 wrote: »

I voted lads, leave it as is, been thinking long and hard and I think it's better as is! Tho stimulating the transfer market would be something I'd like too try and do somehow

As would I, I just don't think this is the way.

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GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

10-8
Manzoor

Techniques
rasco

I could be wrong but I think these dont currently manage a club in the boards league

Manzoor is Arsenal & Tech is Sevilla isn't it?

GT_TDI_150

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MrMac84 wrote: »

I voted lads, leave it as is, been thinking long and hard and I think it's better as is! Tho stimulating the transfer market would be something I'd like too try and do somehow

Some free credits for the manager that ...

... do X in the transfer market

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The Governor wrote: »

Manzoor is Arsenal & Tech is Sevilla isn't it?

could be mate ... I did prefix with 'I could be wrong'