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Lurkio

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

You cant be any more concise than saying "the 9/11 accidents were a tough time for young muslims"

Whatever about the literal meaning, the sentiment is clear, ..............]"

Your sentiment is clear, hence you trying to push a notion with no basis in fact. Your objection to this person is primarily that they are female, left wing, and don't adhere to your views on muslims, which would appear to be of an extremist bent. The statement is very much after the fact.

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

What is the "objective truth", seeing as how a hateful, raging individual such as myself, is clearly unable to discern the true meaning of "the 9/11 accidents were a tough time for young muslims"

It is quite true that many blamed ordinary muslims for something they had nothing to do with. Sikhs and other groups mistaken for muslims also suffered, often from physical violence. The fact that the person involved put this in an awkward way not to your liking is fairly irrelevant to the obvious facts of the matter. Given a quick read of your posts generally it would seem that you believe women would be best served by having more children 'for Europe' or some such nonsense, so you'll excuse me if I don't take your criticism at face value.

JPNelsforearm

Lurkio wrote: »

Your sentiment is clear, hence you trying to push a notion with no basis in fact. Your objection to this person is primarily that they are female, left wing, and don't adhere to your views on muslims, which would appear to be of an extremist bent. The statement is very much after the fact.

Awesome riposte, my objection to her, her politics and statement, is partly down to her having a vagina......:rolleyes:

Given a quick read of your posts generally it would seem that you believe women would be best served by having more children 'for Europe' or some such nonsense, so you'll excuse me if I don't take your criticism at face value.

Sloppy reply:rolleyes: if I have said anything objectionable, quote me, otherwise, dont paraphrase something I never said in lieu of actual debate, if you are capable of actual debate.

Bonniedog

There is interesting piece by Brendan O'Neill in Spiked about a National Union of Students leader going on about "Zionist" control of the media and such matters. He rightly points out that the language being used by these 'diaper Marxists' - (c) Norman Mailer! - is almost exactly the same as that used by the Nazis.

The post socialist left is a pathetic parody of what the left used to be about, and is largely peopled by strange characters like Boyd Barrett and Murphy working out their issues because they were born into upper middle class families. Let us hope that unlike the wierdo offspring of the minor Russian aristocracy - Lenin and Trotsky, and the failed priest Stalin (Higgins being in same category!) - that they don't ever get the chance to take out those issues on the rest of us.

Lurkio

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Awesome riposte, my objection to her, her politics and statement, is partly down to her having a vagina......:rolleyes:.

It more than likely is.

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Sloppy reply:rolleyes: if I have said anything objectionable, quote me, otherwise, dont paraphrase something I never said in lieu of actual debate, if you are capable of actual debate.

O but I am. There is, however, nothing to debate here, as its clear that the notoriously dubious RT have distorted the event to suit their agenda, much the way you seized on it to further yours.

JPNelsforearm

Lurkio wrote: »

It more than likely is.

You're hilarious.

"you cant read into what someone says, and take it literally ",

*proceeds to invent motivations for another poster*

you should try be logical and consistent, I know it flies in the face of your leftism, but do try.

My (low) opinion of her is no way influenced by the fact she is a chick, I hold Peter Sutherland in even greater contempt, I respect the leader of the AfD, who, shock, horror, has a vagina.

Speaking of Sutherland and seeing as we are in the Left wing Vegan headcase thread...
https://twitter.com/pdsutherlandun/status/723439349757448192

Lurkio

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

You're hilarious.

"you cant read into what someone says, and take it literally ",

*proceeds to invent motivations for another poster*

you should try be logical and consistent, I know it flies in the face of your leftism, but do try.

My (low) opinion of her is no way influenced by the fact she is a chick, I hold Peter Sutherland in even greater contempt, I respect the leader of the AfD, who, shock, horror, has a vagina.

I have to say I expect posts to segue into rants on whatever the posters bugbear is, but the sudden shift to Peter Sutherland is somewhat jarring nonetheless.

As for inventing motivations -

"Well, one could make the argument that Germany and most other Western States have sub optimal, or below replacement levels of fertility among the productive class of their indigenous populations due to women "not staying in the home" or essentially being forced to forgo childbearing and rearing due to an insidious combination of feminism and neo liberal economics..
A womans prime childbearing years are in her twenties but due to the way we have structured and promote lifestyle/university/work most women dont have kids until their early thirties, and at that they are having less than required.. "

And any doubt about that post can be dealt with by having a look at the wonderful post 1294 on the same thread. I find the denial of holding views that have been posted numerous times on the same discussion board perplexing - it serves no purpose and is obviously doomed to failure.

JPNelsforearm

Lurkio wrote: »

I have to say I expect posts to segue into rants on whatever the posters bugbear is, but the sudden shift to Peter Sutherland is somewhat jarring nonetheless.

As for inventing motivations -

"Well, one could make the argument that Germany and most other Western States have sub optimal, or below replacement levels of fertility among the productive class of their indigenous populations due to women "not staying in the home" or essentially being forced to forgo childbearing and rearing due to an insidious combination of feminism and neo liberal economics..
A womans prime childbearing years are in her twenties but due to the way we have structured and promote lifestyle/university/work most women dont have kids until their early thirties, and at that they are having less than required.. "

And any doubt about that post can be dealt with by having a look at the wonderful post 1294 on the same thread. I find the denial of holding views that have been posted numerous times on the same discussion board perplexing - it serves no purpose and is obviously doomed to failure.

That post is entirely fact, what is the point you are trying in vain to make?

Only in your head could "the state should endeavour to support career driven/educated women in having children/family when it is most biologically advantageous for them to do so" be twisted into an anti women stance, utterly bizarre, says more about you than me I'm afraid, brah. Your posts and mindset are a prime example of what this thread is set up for, you are the regressive left.

jackofalltrades

Looks like it's turning into Pages 74/75 all over again.

Lurkio

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Looks like it's turning into Pages 74/75 all over again.

No, I couldn't squeeze in the Illinois Nazi thing again that soon.

Turtwig

Mod Note:

A reminder to posters, speculation on the identity of a poster is against the terms of use of boards.ie.

JPNelsforearm

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/apr/26/grayson-perry-bear-grylls-masculinity

Grayson Perry: Bear Grylls 'celebrates a masculinity that is useless

Masculinity is a decorative feature that is essentially counter-productive.”

stoicism that is associated with modern masculinity is damaging and men should instead be more willing to speak about their feelings.

A lamb protected by wolves wishes to discard the very type of male traits that enables him to live in freedom, and ponce about in a dress pontificating about "useless, damaging, masculinity". The mind boggles. A living example of a society succumbing to island tameness and discarding its in-group protective traits...

Qs

I don't think hedge fund managers and UFC wannabes eating poo (or whatever they do) on an island for reality TV can really be described as protecting our freedom.

Lurkio

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Grayson Perry: Bear Grylls 'celebrates a masculinity that is useless

Masculinity is a decorative feature that is essentially counter-productive.”

stoicism that is associated with modern masculinity is damaging and men should instead be more willing to speak about their feelings.

A lamb protected by wolves wishes to discard the very type of male traits that enables him to live in freedom, and ponce about in a dress pontificating about "useless, damaging, masculinity". The mind boggles. A living example of a society succumbing to island tameness and discarding its in-group protective traits...

I'm so glad that your previous concern for the well being of the LGBT community is sincere, and in no way a use of the issue to rail against another minority.

Lurkio

Qs wrote: »

I don't think hedge fund managers and UFC wannabes eating poo (or whatever they do) on an island for reality TV can really be described as protecting our freedom.

What if those hedge fund managers and UFC wannabes weren't kept busy eating crap on that island? Do you want them eating crap next door to you? Because that's where they'll be.

JPNelsforearm

Lurkio wrote: »

I'm so glad that your previous concern for the well being of the LGBT community is sincere, and in no way a use of the issue to rail against another minority.

Another ****post, awesome stuff, you are a machine.

Qs wrote: »

I don't think hedge fund managers and UFC wannabes eating poo (or whatever they do) on an island for reality TV can really be described as protecting our freedom.

I assume thats in reference to whatever crap tv show Bear Grylls is producing, Grayson Perry was explicitly talking about masculinity as a whole. I dont care about some dire reality tv show where people drink piss or whatever. The issue is this leftist predilection and promotion of male weakness as a virtue.

Links234

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

The issue is this leftist predilection and promotion of male weakness as a virtue.

You know, there might just be a deeper issue when you consider how men suffer depression and suicide, yet have issues talking about mental health and their feelings. There might be a lot of worth in critiquing how Bear Grylls romanticizes a hunter gatherer form of masculinity.

But sure, leftists are promoting male weakness. Yeah.

Lurkio

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

I assume thats in reference to whatever crap tv show Bear Grylls is producing, Grayson Perry was explicitly talking about masculinity as a whole. I dont care about some dire reality tv show where people drink piss or whatever. The issue is this leftist predilection and promotion of male weakness as a virtue.

Who is promoting "male weakness" and what is it, exactly?

JPNelsforearm

Links234 wrote: »

You know, there might just be a deeper issue when you consider how men suffer depression and suicide, yet have issues talking about mental health and their feelings. There might be a lot of worth in critiquing how Bear Grylls romanticizes a hunter gatherer form of masculinity.

But sure, leftists are promoting male weakness. Yeah.

Talking about feelings doesnt solve anything, solving the problem of why you feel X solves those feelings. Whining and crying isnt a rational reaction, its pointless emotion as opposed to action in fixing the issue that ails you. Anyway, he is decrying active healthy outdoorsmanship and practical things because he doesnt like them, decrying traditional manliness and stoicism, because, again, he doesnt fit into that mould. You are partly buying into it yourself, linking depression suicide etc with masculinity. Depression and suicide are caused by social or economic problems, not because you wont weep into a hanky and spill your guts to some psychologist.

Eh, I think you'll find they are, google Toxic masculinity. There are more sociology papers and newspaper articles then I could hope to link on the topic, all decrying the "strong male" archetype. Its one of the central tenants of feminism, whining about masculinity and maleness.

Qs

Lurkio wrote: »

What if those hedge fund managers and UFC wannabes weren't kept busy eating crap on that island? Do you want them eating crap next door to you? Because that's where they'll be.

Good point, Bear Grylls is protecting us from these awful people.

Lurkio

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Talking about feelings doesnt solve anything, solving the problem of why you feel X solves those feelings. Whining and crying isnt a rational reaction, its pointless emotion as opposed to action in fixing the issue that ails you. Anyway, he is decrying active healthy outdoorsmanship and practical things because he doesnt like them, decrying traditional manliness and stoicism, because, again, he doesnt fit into that mould. You are partly buying into it yourself, linking depression suicide etc with masculinity. Depression and suicide are caused by social or economic problems, not because you wont weep into a hanky and spill your guts to some psychologist.

Eh, I think you'll find they are, google Toxic masculinity. There are more sociology papers and newspaper articles then I could hope to link on the topic, all decrying the "strong male" archetype. Its one of the central tenants of feminism, whining about masculinity and maleness.

So the threat to society is from the gays & the feminists.....truly an unholy alliance.

Qs

Links234 wrote: »

You know, there might just be a deeper issue when you consider how men suffer depression and suicide, yet have issues talking about mental health and their feelings. There might be a lot of worth in critiquing how Bear Grylls romanticizes a hunter gatherer form of masculinity.

But sure, leftists are promoting male weakness. Yeah.

This is the problem with pseudo-masculinist, anti-feminist agitators. One the one hand they will cry foul about suicide rates for men in discussions of male privilege, etc but they then refuse to confront any of problems with lead to these higher rates of suicide in the first place. Its a rather confused ideology.

JPNelsforearm

Lurkio wrote: »

Who is promoting "male weakness" and what is it, exactly?

Male weakness or the "nu male/beta male" archetype is promoted by various leftists in the media and in academia. Again its an area with a lot of subject matter, too many examples to list. I'll take a recent one, the campaign to remove contact from underage and schools rugby. The guy who lead that was doing so, not from a health perspective(though he used that as cover, as is the norm, "healthy" or "safety" used to force the agenda) but from a desire to remove physical challenge, competition and violence from rugby as he saw them as negative male traits. That mans name is Dr Eric Anderson, Professor of "Sport, Masculinities and Sexualities" at Winchester University.

Now if one was so inclined, you could throw his name into the old google machine, and come out with all manner of left wing vegan cookies. Or read his published rubbish.

http://ericandersonphd.com/resources/pdf_articles/2010%20Establishing%20and%20Challenigng%20Masculinity%20-%20Journal%20of%20Language%20and%20Social%20Psychology.pdf

JPNelsforearm

Lurkio wrote: »

So the threat to society is from the gays & the feminists.....truly an unholy alliance.

Gays? Because gay men cant be masculine:rolleyes:

The problem is left wing thought and research, of which feminism and various soft sciences are beholden to.

Lurkio

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Male weakness or the "nu male/beta male" archetype is promoted by various leftists in the media and in academia. Again its an area with a lot of subject matter, too many examples to list. I'll take a recent one, the campaign to remove contact from underage and schools rugby . The guy who lead that was doing so, not from a health perspective(though he used that as cover, as is the norm, "healthy" or "safety" used to force the agenda) but from a desire to remove physical challenge, competition and violence from rugby as he saw them as negative male traits. That mans name is Dr Eric Anderson, Professor of "Sport, Masculinities and Sexualities" at Winchester University.

Now if one was so inclined, you could throw his name into the old google machine, and come out with all manner of left wing vegan cookies. Or read his published rubbish.

Though a left winger, I have to say I've no desire to prevent you making whatever physical contact you like during a "ruck".

Lurkio

JPNelsforearm wrote: »

Gays? Because gay men cant be masculine:rolleyes:

Did I say that? Funny, I was sure I was musing as to your thoughts on the matter.

Qs

The move to make under-age rugby less of a contact sport is because of the risks of concussion not because of some anti-male conspiracy.

JPNelsforearm

Qs wrote: »

The move to make under-age rugby less of a contact sport is because of the risks of concussion not because of some anti-male conspiracy.

Aside from the fact that the guy leading the charge is in fact on the record as being anti male and anti masculinity as regards team sports in his own published research......... Total coincidence though...

Christy42

A man can still be a survivalist and not kill himself. The article is just click bait to annoy people like JP and get clicks from them. End of. The left wing version of daily mail articles. Not to be taken seriously in any way shape or form.

The Randy Riverbeast

Christy42 wrote: »

A man can still be a survivalist and not kill himself. The article is just click bait to annoy people like JP and get clicks from them. End of. The left wing version of daily mail articles. Not to be taken seriously in any way shape or form.

That's such a beta thing to say, go punch a wall 3 times to recharge your manliness. :pac:

Christy42

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

That's such a beta thing to say, go punch a wall 3 times to recharge your manliness. :pac:

Done. Typing with my left hand is hard though.