I badly need some career advice **Mod warning in post 1**

Riamfada

OP I have a similar degree as yourself. I finished college and there is absolutely no chance of me finding employment within it. As much as I would like to I had to face the reality of this. I wont type much more here on the subject but I really think you should have a look at the following link and take a reality check.

Why Generation Y Yuppies are Unhappy.

I hope this helps. Here are your options once you understand that you are unskilled, older than most graduates, still living in a highly competitive jobs market.

1. Go back to college and do a postgrad in something employable.
2. Intern for free in a job that is more suited to your "status" or expecations and hope it becomes a paid position.
3. Take a job that you are qualified for like everyone else.
4. Emigrate
5. Retrain in a completely different sector.

I have plenty of friends who did the exact same degree as yourself. They believed themselves too educated for menial work within the service industry. Years later they all now work within the service industry. Harvard research has shown that people in your situation posses "unrealistic expectations and a strong resistance toward accepting negative feedback," and "an inflated view of oneself." Which I believe has been demonstrated in this thread.

Please visit this link for some hard truths Why Generation Y Yuppies are Unhappy.

In my opinion you chose poorly in your degree and then chose to spend 6 years travelling. Now you are paying the price.

PutDownArtist

Riamfada wrote: »

OP I have a similar degree as yourself. I finished college and there is absolutely no chance of me finding employment within it. As much as I would like to I had to face the reality of this. I wont type much more here on the subject but I really think you should have a look at the following link and take a reality check.



I hope this helps. Here are your options once you understand that you are unskilled, older than most graduates, still living in a highly competitive jobs market.

1. Go back to college and do a postgrad in something employable.
2. Intern for free in a job that is more suited to your "status" or expecations and hope it becomes a paid position.
3. Take a job that you are qualified for like everyone else.
4. Emigrate
5. Retrain in a completely different sector.

I have plenty of friends who did the exact same degree as yourself. They believed themselves too educated for menial work within the service industry. Years later they all now work within the service industry. Harvard research has shown that people in your situation posses "unrealistic expectations and a strong resistance toward accepting negative feedback," and "an inflated view of oneself." Which I believe has been demonstrated in this thread.

Please visit this link for some hard truths

In my opinion you chose poorly in your degree and then chose to spend 6 years travelling. Now you are paying the price.

Except I didn't spend six years travelling so your post goes in the trash.

How would I be able to fund six years of continuous travel?

BostonB

The problem is what you do in the past becomes irrelevant very fast. Employers are often only interested in your current experience. With in the last 6~12 moths. There are statistics that indicate the longer you are out of work, the more difficult it is to get back into work. One way to break that pattern is to get any kind of a job.

The people with the ear to the ground about opportunities are often the people along side you in such jobs. They a) want to work and b) have the most incentive to move upwards out of that job. Such jobs most of the time, give you a well rounded experience. As such many employers will look at that experience as valuable. Hence the idea that the easiest way to find a job is from a job.

People are saying to take the first rung on the ladder. Its the only way to the top of the ladder. You climb Everest in lots of small steps etc. They are not saying stay in that job forever. Few people get to skip to the middle. College and the right degree is one way of doing that. This is as true when you get your first job, as when returning back to the workforce after a long lay off.

Its about taking one step back to move three steps forward.

MouseTail

PutDownArtist wrote: »

Except I didn't spend six years travelling so your post goes in the trash.

How would I be able to fund six years of continuous travel?

post goes in trash? That's a great post which just about sums up the options open to you. No one can offer you any other options.

PutDownArtist

MouseTail wrote: »

post goes in trash? That's a great post which just about sums up the options open to you. No one can offer you any other options.

The post insinuated that I was a 'yuppie', a horrible, nasty, derogatory term. He/she was suggesting that my wealthy parents forked out the cash for nomadic lifestyle.

He/she did make some good points, but that accusation really irked me when I was working hard for my cash.

Why do people feel the need to so judgemental and condescending?

thegreatgonzo

I did an arts degree in the late 90's and Michael D not Higgins is absolutely right, they were the butt of the joke then too. But neither I nor any of my friends took any notice of the snide remarks and I know my subject choice was instrumental in my getting some of the jobs that I've had. I don't regret for a moment doing that degree even though I'm working in a completely unrelated field now and if anything I think it makes my cv stand out to a prospective employer.
My point is my attitude toward that degree was and is very positive and even though I chose it at 16 without any thought to what I'd use it for, I have always been able to sell it to my employers that it was absolutely the right thing for me to do at that time and that I find it useful to my current role in various ways.
I don't want to join in a chorus of criticism against you OP but I do think your biggest obstacle at the moment is your negative outlook towards your degree, your work experience in the US and to some of the advice given to you already. I do have a lot of sympathy for your situation, it must feel pretty scary and isolating but this is the wrong place to show your frustrations, people are trying to help.

BostonB

PutDownArtist wrote: »

... Why do people feel the need to so judgemental and condescending?

Its the internet you need a thick skin. Its like mining for gold you dig through a couple of tonnes of soil to get a few grams of gold.

If we'd all made good choices I'd be driving a Ferrari in stead of being here.

Riamfada

PutDownArtist wrote: »

Except I didn't spend six years travelling so your post goes in the trash.

How would I be able to fund six years of continuous travel?

I apologise I was under the assumption from reading previous posts that you did spend 6 years travelling. However I feel that the post is relevant and that your response just goes to prove the validity of the points I have made.

To be very honest whether you go on to become a journalist or writer or whatever your dream job is or take up a more immediate realistic position (here comes the truthbomb) I nor anyone else on this thread really cares what you do or where you end up. The only person who cares is you (and possibly some relatives). Realise this and consider the options that the less sympathetic posters here have outlined for you.

If you are waiting for someone here to give you the answer that we have all been looking for our entire lives you will be waiting a long time. But If someone here has the answer please send it onto me also.

BostonB

I think you need to focus on the now.

BostonB

Riamfada wrote: »

...To be very honest whether you go on to become a journalist or writer or whatever your dream job is or take up a more immediate realistic position....

For the majority of people will never make a decent living in their dream job. Too many want to do it that it drives the wages to the floor. Acting, writing, graphics, 3D work, music, computer games, professional football, librarian etc.

That's a tall pyramid with a very wide base.

Also the reality of the dream job isn't always what you hope.

PutDownArtist

Riamfada wrote: »

I apologise I was under the assumption from reading previous posts that you did spend 6 years travelling. However I feel that the post is relevant and that your response just goes to prove the validity of the points I have made.

To be very honest whether you go on to become a journalist or writer or whatever your dream job is or take up a more immediate realistic position (here comes the truthbomb) I nor anyone else on this thread really cares what you do or where you end up. The only person who cares is you (and possibly some relatives). Realise this and consider the options that the less sympathetic posters here have outlined for you.

If you are waiting for someone here to give you the answer that we have all been looking for our entire lives you will be waiting a long time. But If someone here has the answer please send it onto me also.

That's OK, your post did contain a lot of decent information, which I thank you for.

I knew I would face a backlash by starting this thread, but I think the nuggets of knowledge I have gleaned have made up for the opprobrium aimed in my direction.

I feel I have also damaged the 1950s consensus on here that life is only about work, paying taxes and keeping up appearances.

allibastor

PutDownArtist wrote: »

The apex of the financial crisis was a good jobs market eh?

Your opinion is definitely going in the virtual bin that's for sure.

Apex means the highest point. The end of 2008 wasn't the highest point for unemployment.

And many people who came from college were still able to get graduate roles as internships hadn't been invented yet.

OP, people here including myself have tried to be helpful to you, but you rubbish anything anyone else says here if it doesn't sit with you.

you have criticized people for telling you get any job as you don't want to be made work where you don't want to. You have said such jobs are beneath you.
When people comment that you did a poor degree and then went travelling after college instead of working on a career you give out about that.

What exactly do you want?
Should I come over and give you a hug and say it is all OK?
Do you want me to give you a job, I can do this of course if you really wish it, but most likely it will be a 10 euro and hour job someplace you may not want to work.

You say peoples opinion are not valid and will go in the bin. Why so, cause we don't agree with you or think some of your choices so far have been yuppyish? They have been.
I would love to have gone travelling when I finished college, but I saw that jobs were tough to get, I finished near about the same time as you. Do you know what I did. I stayed and worked in a job to build up skills and then use those skills and networks to get better jobs.

I now earn a very good living in a job I am mostly happy with. I would imagine we are of an age together so why do you get to bitch and moan and all that, but I have to pay a load of tax every month to some entitled guy who wanted to go on a 6 year jolly and see the world?

Mrs OBumble

Stheno wrote: »

In a nutshell op went to the states for six years, worked menial jobs, had no health insurance, went on hols to Peru, had an accident and came back here as he couldn't get welfare elsewhere

Dunno how he got past habitual residence but now he's not impressed with the hee or lack of decent jobs

Nicely summed up in paragraph one.

But the 2nd paragraphs isn't quite on the mark: There are several ways in which the OP could have met the habitual residence condition - and obviously has done so.

He is not currently on the dole - not eligible for it, 'cos he's not physically able to work at the moment. Instead he's on a benefit which the welfare system in Ireland (and most other developed-world places) has for people in unique situations that don't quite fit into other categories.

So all the "take any old job" remarks are a bit pointless at the moment - the OP is looking at the bigger picture, not what to do tomorrow or next week. That's why the opening post is about career advice, not about any old job.



And a little mod-warning for everyone, OP included: be civil. That means

1) No name calling, no gross generalisations about individuals.
2) Remember that in most cases, it's systems (welfare, health) that cause people working in them to behave in odd ways - the people aren't clowns, they're simply human beings like yourself, doing the best they can in the situation they are in.

If you see a post which is uncivil, report it and let a mod deal with it. Don't answer back on-thread.

Thank you.

Jawgap

PutDownArtist wrote: »

You pay tax because you're legally obliged to, and would face imprisonment if you attempted to avoid it. Please don't pretend you're in anyway donating anything to my cause.

I want to remind people that the world was a very different place when I chose my particular degree, and there were far more opportunities available at the time.

The fact that I've stated an interest in job bridge torpedoes the claims that I'm not interested in working.

I had NEVER claimed any social welfare prior to my misadventure in Peru, so there goes the argument that I'm some kind of welfare junkie.

There are so many spurious and unfair allegations being hurled at me, luckily I have gleaned some good advice so it hasn't been a total loss.

Actually, you're wrong - I'm employed by the Irish subsidiary of a UK firm. without going into too much detail, I can swap my domicile in a week and pay my tax to HM Revenue.

Also, the world was a different place when I did my undergrad degree - guess what? I (like a lot of people, I'm not special) worked entry level jobs, and funded two advanced degrees from my own resources to move onwards and upwards. Incidentally, I spent a good portion of the latter part of my early career working for an international firm and lived (and worked in the US, UK and Europe).

The world changes - things move on. Get changing (or even better try to get ahead of the change) or get left behind. You are in danger of being left behind.

I don't think anyone is suggesting you are work-shy or a welfare junkie but you do seem to have unrealistic expectations about what you can reasonably get workwise.

'Drone' jobs are boring as hell and the majority of people have ambitions beyond that type of work - most people also have the maturity to recognise that such positions are a means to an end, not an end in themselves.

allibastor

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Nicely summed up in paragraph one.

But the 2nd paragraphs isn't quite on the mark: There are several ways in which the OP could have met the habitual residence condition - and obviously has done so.

He is not currently on the dole - not eligible for it, 'cos he's not physically able to work at the moment. Instead he's on a benefit which the welfare system in Ireland (and most other developed-world places) has for people in unique situations that don't quite fit into other categories.

So all the "take any old job" remarks are a bit pointless at the moment - the OP is looking at the bigger picture, not what to do tomorrow or next week. That's why the opening post is about career advice, not about any old job.

Not quizzing your MOD statement, the general one you had on top.

But not many people here have said to actually just go out and get any old job. People have said to try and find an internship or something which may not be what the OP wants but that will allow him to get networking.

I would hazard a guess and say most people move to better jobs through good networking and learning what they like and don't like.

The OP is not even giving himself a chance as his negativity is shooting down any ideas

Riamfada

PutDownArtist wrote: »

I feel I have also damaged the 1950s consensus on here that life is only about work, paying taxes and keeping up appearances.

I think the nugget of this entire thread is that you want both. You cant have both. You can either live the artisan life of self fulfillment and hope to strike the big time or work hard, starting from the bottom up and work towards a financial base later in life that allows you to have the life you desire. But as I have said in the short term its really one or the other.

I have friends that want to become actors. They have been grafting hard for years and picking up work here and there. Its the life they want and they work hard for it. But one by one they are all falling into full time service industry jobs. I was an archaeologist for a short time after finishing college, not a sustainable career by any stretch. The wages were poor and the contracts were, at best, a few months at a time. I believed that I could have the self fulfilling job. I held out through 12 months of claiming social welfare and dipping some really dark times.

I relented and took a service sector job.It wasnt my dream by any stretch but Ive worked there ever since. Ive had a lot of fun in the job and made some great friends. Meanwhile I saved as much as I could and applied for a Masters in Computer Science. For the past 18 months Ive lived on significantly reduced income but worked weekends as well as studying. Ive my final exams over the next few weeks and a series of relatively well paid entry level position interviews lined up.

Sometimes to go forward you have to go back. It was tough, there were tears and sleepless nights. I berated myself for not leaving the country after my degree and first masters and thought of a joyful life in Austrailia or the US.But it was certainly worth it. My advice is to reskill while you are still young.

PutDownArtist

allibastor wrote: »

Not quizzing your MOD statement, the general one you had on top.

But not many people here have said to actually just go out and get any old job. People have said to try and find an internship or something which may not be what the OP wants but that will allow him to get networking.

I would hazard a guess and say most people move to better jobs through good networking and learning what they like and don't like.

The OP is not even giving himself a chance as his negativity is shooting down any ideas

I clearly stated I was open to doing a Job Bridge intern-ship. Either you're fibbing or not taking the requisite time to read my posts.

What I make no apologies for is NOT plumping for the any job will do so I can satisfy the whims of the taxpayer alliance.

Stheno

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Nicely summed up in paragraph one.

But the 2nd paragraphs isn't quite on the mark: There are several ways in which the OP could have met the habitual residence condition - and obviously has done so.

He is not currently on the dole - not eligible for it, 'cos he's not physically able to work at the moment. Instead he's on a benefit which the welfare system in Ireland (and most other developed-world places) has for people in unique situations that don't quite fit into other categories.

So all the "take any old job" remarks are a bit pointless at the moment - the OP is looking at the bigger picture, not what to do tomorrow or next week. That's why the opening post is about career advice, not about any old job.

Apologies, my misunderstanding of HR there.

Don't 'think anyone is telling the OP to take any job, rather suggesting that he build up some level of work history regardless. That's got to look better than being unemployed/on benefits after years abroad with little real work experience as the OP himself/herself says.

With the background OP has posted, they can't expect to attain their dream of journalism first off, and should be looking at how to start from the bottom up

PutDownArtist

PutDownArtist wrote: »

That's OK, your post did contain a lot of decent information, which I thank you for.

I knew I would face a backlash by starting this thread, but I think the nuggets of knowledge I have gleaned have made up for the opprobrium aimed in my direction.

I feel I have also damaged the 1950s consensus on here that life is only about work, paying taxes and keeping up appearances.

I am intrigued by this you seem to want a backlash to your posts why is this.
There are lots of different way of living if you really are not interested in money and are more interested in living an authentic life for example wwoof_ing, however your posts are very contradictory on this point.

BostonB

PutDownArtist wrote: »

...What I make no apologies for is NOT plumping for the any job will do so I can satisfy the whims of the taxpayer alliance.

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

...So all the "take any old job" remarks are a bit pointless at the moment - the OP is looking at the bigger picture, not what to do tomorrow or next week. That's why the opening post is about career advice, not about any old job....

Can I suggest there's more to any old job, than it just being any old job.

Studies show that once a person is out of the job market for longer than six months, they face a slimmer chance of finding stable work. Only 11% of the long-term unemployed find permanent, full-time work a year later, according to a research paper by Alan Krueger and other economists from Princeton University. It’s more likely that those job seekers will find unsteady work, with 14% of job hunters finding part-time work and 11% landing temporary work more than a year after losing their jobs.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/for-long-time-unemployed-full-time-work-is-elusive-2014-04-04

Jawgap

PutDownArtist wrote: »

I clearly stated I was open to doing a Job Bridge intern-ship. Either you're fibbing or not taking the requisite time to read my posts.

What I make no apologies for is NOT plumping for the any job will do so I can satisfy the whims of the taxpayer alliance.

JobBridge internships vary wildly - you could do six months and come out with a good chunk of relevant experience, or spend the period kicking your heels.

The point most people are making is that you don't know what's around the next bend and being in a job can open up opportunities even opportunities you never thought about or knew existed.

I do some mentoring at university in the UK (which is why this thread caught my eye) of mature students looking to enter the area I specialise in or mid-career people looking to enhance their quals - and I've never failed to be amazed and intrigued at the route some people take to get there. You have no idea what you are cutting yourself off from by adopting a Micawberish approach of waiting for something to turn up.

BostonB

Can I thank you both for "opprobrium" and "micawberish"

Stheno

Jawgap wrote: »

The point most people are making is that you don't know what's around the next bend and being in a job can open up opportunities even opportunities you never thought about or knew existed.

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I think this is a good point for the OP to take on board, I know it's certainly been valid in my career.

endacl

PutDownArtist wrote: »

Why do people feel the need to so judgemental and condescending?

Because your posts.

allibastor

PutDownArtist wrote: »

I clearly stated I was open to doing a Job Bridge intern-ship. Either you're fibbing or not taking the requisite time to read my posts.

What I make no apologies for is NOT plumping for the any job will do so I can satisfy the whims of the taxpayer alliance.

What is with the Tax payer alliance rubbish you keep going on about?

You were injured while on Holiday in Peru, you worked crappy jobs in the US to fund your travels. If it wasn't for the tax payer alliance you keep going on about and all us morons who pay tax you wouldn't have had the safety net of coming back here to claim welfare in a country that thus far you have not added value into.

If you think its tough here may I suggest you go back to Peru where you had your accident and see how far you can get.

Beaner1

You can't claim to being above the menial tax paying 9-5 "scam" whilst completely existing on the kindness of the state.

PutDownArtist

allibastor wrote: »

What is with the Tax payer alliance rubbish you keep going on about?

You were injured while on Holiday in Peru, you worked crappy jobs in the US to fund your travels. If it wasn't for the tax payer alliance you keep going on about and all us morons who pay tax you wouldn't have had the safety net of coming back here to claim welfare in a country that thus far you have not added value into.

If you think its tough here may I suggest you go back to Peru where you had your accident and see how far you can get.

I am taking aim at the pious individuals on here who rabbit on about 'supporting' me via their taxes when, if they had the opportunity, would boot me out into the cold and let me fend for myself.

I do accept I was lucky that Social Welfare chose not to make my life difficult with the HRC.

Stheno

PutDownArtist wrote: »

I am taking aim at the pious individuals on here who rabbit on about 'supporting' me via their taxes when, if they had the opportunity, would boot me out into the cold and let me fend for myself.

I do accept I was lucky that Social Welfare chose not to make my life difficult with the HRC.

I think the point is that if everyone lived as you have for the past six years there would be no social assistance for you to come back to.

Fatty Magoo

Slide away, OP, slide away....

Jawgap

PutDownArtist wrote: »

I am taking aim at the pious individuals on here who rabbit on about 'supporting' me via their taxes when, if they had the opportunity, would boot me out into the cold and let me fend for myself.

I do accept I was lucky that Social Welfare chose not to make my life difficult with the HRC.

Nobody is suggesting that or that you be left to fend for yourself.

It has been pointed out to you that have (enjoy?) a certain lifestyle because of the welfare system in this country which, as a citizen, you are entitled to avail yourself of.

You seem not to realise that while you have 'entitlements' in law, you also have responsibilities. People have been trying to advise you how might go about making even a nominal contribution to fulfilling those responsibilities.

You seem also to be unaware of the fact that somewhere in the DSP there is a fairly low level 'drone' who signed off on your claim and decided to apply a degree of discretion (in your favour) on how your claim was handled - they're probably doing exactly the type of job you seem unwilling to even consider.

allibastor

PutDownArtist wrote: »

I am taking aim at the pious individuals on here who rabbit on about 'supporting' me via their taxes when, if they had the opportunity, would boot me out into the cold and let me fend for myself.

I do accept I was lucky that Social Welfare chose not to make my life difficult with the HRC.

Are you cracked?

Look, I am very sorry for the accident that happened you in Peru, really, I think life is short enough and **** enough for people without having to spend a chunk of it sick or not able to do things.

But so far, you have said people are having a go at you for not working. Most people here have offered you helpful advise that you chose to ignore.
Most people have said that you need to improve your outlook on your situation.
Most people have said you need to concentrate on what you can do, rather than what you cant do.
Most people have given you sympathy for what ever happened to you.


What you have done, you have said some jobs are beneath you, its not worth your while to work in min wage jobs. you have given out about all of us tax paying fools all the while being in receipt od the safety net this country provides for people in bad situations.


Just get this straight in your head as well, then try and move you.

YOU pick your degree, you picked the option to travel and see the world while working around in jobs which kept you fed and sheltered.

YOU chose not to finish college and work at your career. YOU.

Plenty of young people who did work very hard at college are coming out now, people who worked hard in secondary school to get good points etc and still cant find jobs.


If I was you, listen to what is being told to you here, use what ever talents you have to your advantage.
Write a blog or paper on the joy of travel and working your way around the world, write about the issues faced with a nomadic lifestyle. Write about something, anything, but stop bitching that nothing is going on for you.


I cant remember the last time someone knocked at my door offering me a job. Oh, actually I can, it happens a good few times a month. This happens because I spent time building a good career and now I am in (somewhat) demand for my skills, but it didn't happen overnight or because I sat back and moaned.


While you went off to travel after college, I had a child very young. I still went out and did things to improve my lot in life and it worked. It would have been very easy to sit back, bitch and moan and do nothing, but its pointless.

witchgirl26

OP - came across this & haven't read your other posts so I'm going to ignore that whole background.

Honestly people here are right when they say that an entry level job does help you advance. If nothing else you are earning money that you can put towards travel & expenses for getting to interviews. Also working somewhere like the service industry can be beneficial for the working hours & potentially allowing you to move these to suit going to interviews for jobs. I'm not saying that anyone should just "take any job" to pay back into the system but more for the sense of pride in earning the money as opposed to getting welfare.

I know you mention wanting to write but that is quite difficult to get into unless you can show some things that you have written. Have you considered blind applying for some journalism websites? It's a shot in the dark but it could work.

I graduated about the same time as you, from what's been mentioned here, & would have loved to be able to travel to the states etc but I spent the past number of years working from the ground up in the area I'm in to get myself into a position now where I really like my job, I get to travel with it & I have a lifestyle I like. It was not easy by any stretch though & I did have to start from the bottom. And yes, working in a chemist at one point & in a hospice really did help with my networking & dealing with people.

If you're hardcore about wanting a job & aren't working at the moment, then you need to be focusing on the hunt for at least 3-5 hours a day. Customising CV's for roles, not just searching the job sites but also company sites & talk to a few recruiters.

Beaner1

How come America was good enough to do crappy menial work but suddenly that is beneath you in ireland? Too comfortable with your welfare payments.

PutDownArtist

In case anyone missed it, I did state that I have no desire to get a mortgage, married or have kids -- or other cash hungry items of this ilk.

Perhaps I should focus on getting part time work in a field I enjoy, which will in turn mean I'm less liable for tax: the current limit is 12,000 euros I believe.

The good ideas proffered in this thread negate the impact of the pitchfork wounds I sustained in this thread.

Beaner1

PutDownArtist wrote: »

In case anyone missed it, I did state that I have no desire to get a mortgage, married or have kids -- or other cash hungry items of this ilk.

Perhaps I should focus on getting part time work in a field I enjoy, which will in turn mean I'm less liable for tax: the current limit is 12,000 euros I believe.

The good ideas proffered in this thread negate the impact of the pitchfork wounds I sustained in this thread.

How are you going to house yourself for life with part time work?

MouseTail

I go back to my original post. You are so angry OP. It oozes from your posts. I don't think really you are angry at tax paying 'drones', that would be silly.
I think you are very angry with yourself. You have made mistakes, big deal. We all have. What separates the wheat from the chaffe is how they move on from those mistakes.

Go back and read those 5 options, the ones in the post you threw in the trash. Its one of those 5 or the status quo, which means becoming more and more unemployable, and growing an ever increasing wage scar.

BTW, contrary to other posters I think OP is female.

PutDownArtist

Beaner1 wrote: »

How are you going to house yourself for life with part time work?

It's called renting. It's a pretty popular method of obtaining accommodation in most European countries and throughout the world.

Beaner1

PutDownArtist wrote: »

It's called renting. It's a pretty popular method of obtaining accommodation in most European countries and throughout the world.

What are you going to rent earning 800 quid a month?

Michael D Not Higgins

PutDownArtist wrote: »

It's called renting. It's a pretty popular method of obtaining accommodation in most European countries and throughout the world.

You're going to be spending quite the chunk of your income on rent then. You say you're willing to work part time up to the 12000 limit, let's say you do that. How much are you willing to hand over each month on rent? Cos it's going to be north of 50% of your income.

Jawgap

PutDownArtist wrote: »

In case anyone missed it, I did state that I have no desire to get a mortgage, married or have kids -- or other cash hungry items of this ilk.

Perhaps I should focus on getting part time work in a field I enjoy, which will in turn mean I'm less liable for tax: the current limit is 12,000 euros I believe.

The good ideas proffered in this thread negate the impact of the pitchfork wounds I sustained in this thread.

Seriously?

You really need to get a job in some public facing service role - not only is it great craic (although it won't seem like it at the time) but it'll toughen you up.

Also, no desire ".....a mortgage, married or have kids" - you say that now.......they kind of creep up on you! I'd love to be able to fast forward 10 years and re-send you this post!

Have a re-read of @witchgirl26's post - 'career' is not a bad word. Bit luck, bit of planning and a reasonable amount of work and you can pretty much get yourself a financially stable lifestyle with decent travel options.

Stheno

PutDownArtist wrote: »

In case anyone missed it, I did state that I have no desire to get a mortgage, married or have kids -- or other cash hungry items of this ilk.

Perhaps I should focus on getting part time work in a field I enjoy, which will in turn mean I'm less liable for tax: the current limit is 12,000 euros I believe.

The good ideas proffered in this thread negate the impact of the pitchfork wounds I sustained in this thread.

So you'll live here, work to live, use all of the public services available and never contribute to their cost?

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A positive attitude will get you a long way in life. Fair enough if you want a certain lifestyle, but that won't magically appear.

It's also beyond rude to deride the tax payers, when you know well that you wouldn't have any welfare if it weren't for people paying their taxes. I'm happy that we live in a state that supports it's citizens with welfare, and if, god forbid, anything were to happen to me, it's reassuring to know that there is a system in place to support me. Hence why I gladly pay my taxes.

Jawgap

PutDownArtist wrote: »

It's called renting. It's a pretty popular method of obtaining accommodation in most European countries and throughout the world.

That is indeed true - and you'll find that in most parts of the world where renting / leasing is the main means of providing accommodation, the system is geared towards protecting and promoting tenants' rights and tenure - Ireland does not have such a system, where the bias is towards the property owner (the landlord) not the occupier (the tenant).

I'm not against renting per se, just people need to realise that what works in Berlin and Brussels doesn't necessarily work as well here.

thegreatgonzo

PutDownArtist wrote: »

In case anyone missed it, I did state that I have no desire to get a mortgage, married or have kids -- or other cash hungry items of this ilk.

Perhaps I should focus on getting part time work in a field I enjoy, which will in turn mean I'm less liable for tax: the current limit is 12,000 euros I believe.

The good ideas proffered in this thread negate the impact of the pitchfork wounds I sustained in this thread.

Problem with part time work (I'm currently working 2 part time jobs) is that you will still have full time outgoings, rent, transport, food, utilities. You'd want to really adore what you do because you will be severely limited when it comes to socialising or being able to afford a holiday or whatever. I'm in an area that I'm passionate about and went back to college to qualify in but my current situation isn't sustainable long term as I'm just not earning enough. Life isn't all about work and I'd say you already know this anyway.

Mrs OBumble

Fatty Magoo wrote: »

Slide away, OP, slide away....

Fatty Magoo, do not post in this thread again.

Paul_Hacket

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As for those who are suggesting that this guy should look into writing, I have to ask, are you kidding? I work in media and communications, have hired writers in the past and would be happy to consider a graduate with his degree. Generally speaking employers are not looking for writers who only seem to be able to express themselves in verbosely stentorian sentences unless maybe they were writing a comedy about self-involved graduates and their total disconnect from the world.

Nody

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To OP; stop with the drama in your posts. You can either take the advise or not but any more self pitying or dramatic styled sentences such as "negate the impact of the pitchfork wounds I sustained in this thread" and I'll close this thread and ban you if you start another thread with any drama like that.

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allibastor

OP,

You have been given good advice, he is some more.
Join a library, they have a writing club in most.
it could be good for networking

Creol1

Stheno wrote: »

So you'll live here, work to live, use all of the public services available and never contribute to their cost?

Actually, almost all adults pay tax, regardless of whether or not they work -- they pay it in Value Added Tax.

If the OP likes travel, perhaps taking a TOEFL course and teaching English abroad would be an option.