Seems like a good deal on coal....

xabi

Are there any health risk with burning coal in an open fire? I recall reading an article that listed increase of lung disease, including lung cancer in houses with an open fire.

2forjoy

xabi wrote: »

Are there any health risk with burning coal in an open fire? I recall reading an article that listed increase of lung disease, including lung cancer in houses with an open fire.

The burning of smoky coal releases PM2.5 particles into the environment. In built up areas, as well as in private houses, these can become quite concentrated, and have a detrimental effect on health.
PM2.5 gets deep into the lungs and into the bloodstream, where it is carried around the body. Other toxic substances present in coal are cadmium, arsenic and mercury

source : www.corkcoco.ie

josephsoap

2forjoy wrote: »

source : www.corkcoco.ie

I presume burning coal in a stove eliminates most of these risks?

monkeynuz

josephsoap wrote: »

I presume burning coal in a stove eliminates most of these risks?

Perhaps for the householder but not the external environment and anyway you MUST NOT burn regular coal in a stove.

Cape Clear

josephsoap wrote: »

I presume burning coal in a stove eliminates most of these risks?

Life is a risk everything in moderation ......

bruno1x

xabi wrote: »

Are there any health risk with burning coal in an open fire? I recall reading an article that listed increase of lung disease, including lung cancer in houses with an open fire.

This kind of thinking always stuns me, no doubt those who think like this smoke like a chimney, drink gallons of alcohol each and every week, eats junk food and are obese.
They should say at home freezing under a blanket and eat only carrots, it a dangerous world out there.
God only knows how humans have survived for so long.

CH3OH

bruno1x wrote: »

They should say at home freezing under a blanket and eat only carrots, .

http://www.livestrong.com/article/286531-side-effects-of-eating-too-many-carrots/ðŸ˜


What do people recommend for burning in an open fire in a smokeless zone?

vicwatson

Jaysus from Bargain Alert to Cancer Alert

Well that escalated quickly

raemie10

I see Tesco have a special offer on Bord na Mona briquettes and air dried logs..

Bord Na Mona Peat Briquettes
Special Offer2 For 8.00 Save 1.98
valid from 11/1/2016 until 31/1/2016

Bnam Eco Frendly Air Dried Logs 10 Pack
Special OfferAny 2 For 8.00 Save 1.98

With an open fire in a very cold room which would provide more heat?!?!?

vicwatson

ALDI have those briquettes at 3.99 for months

_Tombstone_

shop around, handy enough find briquettes for 3.60 ish

brandonviewer

Posted last Friday 5 bales for €18 in b&q. €3.60 a pop

enfant terrible

monkeynuz wrote: »

Perhaps for the householder but not the external environment and anyway you MUST NOT burn regular coal in a stove.

Why can't you use regular coal?

crabbypaddy

enfant terrible wrote: »

Why can't you use regular coal?

You can but its more corrosive and eats the stove inside, grates baffles etc faster than smokeless

ActingDanClark

reubenreuben wrote: »

for insert stove, use smokeless ovoids, last ages, little ash, great heat

Any particular brand? I keep changing fuel

enfant terrible

crabbypaddy wrote: »

You can but its more corrosive and eats the stove inside, grates baffles etc faster than smokeless

Thanks

screamer

damian139 wrote: »

Any particular brand? I keep changing fuel

What have you used so far?
Brands I have used are:
- Ecobrite from Arigna easy to light, used to be great, but found they don't give out as much heat as they used to.
- Supertherm from CPL fuels, take a bit more to get them to light up, similar to Ecobrite, used to be better than they are now for heat. Good for overnight burning, but LOTS of ash- average burn time from a big bucket of it about 3 to 4 hours
- Stoveheat from CPL fuels, easy to light, smaller in size than any of the others. Seems to not last as well in the stove when burning, and we'd be putting in loads to top it up during the evening. Overnight burning not great.
- Cosyglo from Bord Na Mona- more expensive than the other 2, I think 20.50 per bag is what I pay for these. Takes a bit to light them up, are warmer burning than either Ecobrite or Supertherm. Not as good for overnight burning, you won't have as much residual heat the next morning as Supertherm, but you also won't have half the ash to deal with- average burn time from a big bucket of it about 3 to 4 hours

I have a massive stove, and a big enough house and it heats the rads, the water, the rooms without any oil secondary system or anything.

TBH, the only way to know what to use, is to compare. People saying this brand is great, or that one, who knows, I like my smokeless to burn hot and keep me nice and toasty, it's expensive enough without having crappy smokeless that might be cheaper but takes twice as much to produce the same output.

ActingDanClark

Thanks for that, your effort is much appreciated!

reubenreuben

damian139 wrote: »

Any particular brand? I keep changing fuel

Not sure of brand, but they are shaped like a large egg, goose size. By ' screamers description', same as cosyglo

crabbypaddy

xabi wrote: »

Are there any health risk with burning coal in an open fire? I recall reading an article that listed increase of lung disease, including lung cancer in houses with an open fire.

In terms of particulate matter peat burning produces almost twice as much particulate matter in the home as coal and three times as much as wood. 1

Smokey coal on the other hand brings other nasty things like Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), methylated PAHs, and heterocyclic aromatic compounds etc. etc.

A chinese cohort study mentioned earlier in this thread gives a very extreme example of smokey vs smokeless coal - in China where people were lifelong users of smokey or smokeless coal, including cooking (often over firepits until 40/50 years ago).

"The absolute risks of lung cancer death before 70 years of age for men and women using smoky coal were 18% and 20%, respectively, compared with less than 0.5% among smokeless coal users of both sexes. Lung cancer alone accounted for about 40% of all deaths before age 60 among individuals using smoky coal." 2

Thats up to 40 times more lightly to die from lung cancer alone with smokey coal.

Now obviously its not the equivalent of the average irish house with an open fire but you can see why smokey coal presents such an issue in urban areas.

Kristopherus

crabbypaddy wrote: »

In terms of particulate matter peat burning produces almost twice as much particulate matter in the home as coal and three times as much as wood. 1

Smokey coal on the other hand brings other nasty things like Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), methylated PAHs, and heterocyclic aromatic compounds etc. etc.

A chinese cohort study mentioned earlier in this thread gives a very extreme example of smokey vs smokeless coal - in China where people were lifelong users of smokey or smokeless coal, including cooking (often over firepits until 40/50 years ago).

"The absolute risks of lung cancer death before 70 years of age for men and women using smoky coal were 18% and 20%, respectively, compared with less than 0.5% among smokeless coal users of both sexes. Lung cancer alone accounted for about 40% of all deaths before age 60 among individuals using smoky coal." 2

Thats up to 40 times more lightly to die from lung cancer alone with smokey coal.

Now obviously its not the equivalent of the average irish house with an open fire but you can see why smokey coal presents such an issue in urban areas.

Comparing China with Ireland is nonesense. Chalk and Cheese. The China those reports refer to is urban China which bears no comparision to Ireland, which is a tiny dot on the western periphary of Europe. And its where a predominately western wind blows for most of the year. This dissipates the waste from smokey coal. The vast majority of lung cancer deaths in Ireland has been caused by tobacco smoking, no coal dust ingestion. I doubt very much that there are statistics showng the number of lung cancer deaths caused by smokey coal. I cannot find them and I suspect the number is infintismal.

beertons

How many bags fit on a pallet lads? Is 36 go on one?

Bebo stunnah

beertons wrote: »

How many bags fit on a pallet lads? Is 36 go on one?

25x 40kg bags or 40x 25kg bags. They'll only put a tonne (1000kg) on a pallet. They'll send a pallet with a mix of both but youll probably have to get 2 pallets if it goes over.

2forjoy

Bebo stunnah wrote: »

25x 40kg bags or 40x 25kg bags. They'll only put a tonne (1000kg) on a pallet. They'll send a pallet with a mix of both but youll probably have to get 2 pallets if it goes over.

But first you will ring a courier company to organise delivery and you break the law

_Tombstone_

2forjoy wrote: »

But first you will ring a courier company to organise delivery and you break the law

That's what happens when they make silly laws but I'm sure Beerton is travelling down with it anyway so it doesn't matter.

beertons

2forjoy wrote: »

But first you will ring a courier company to organise delivery and you break the law

Hush you and go to sleep.

ford4610

Did anyone else have the same problem as i had with the coal warehouse, I did not receive 25 bags on a pallet as i was suppose to. I was short 5 bags.

ford4610

ford4610 wrote: »

Did anyone else have the same problem as i had with the coal warehouse, I did not receive 25 bags on a pallet as i was suppose to. I was short 5 bags.

Nope.
Ive made 4 pallet orders now and never once was left short.

vicwatson

No probs here either. Give them a call and they'll sort it

reubenreuben

ford4610 wrote: »

Did anyone else have the same problem as i had with the coal warehouse, I did not receive 25 bags on a pallet as i was suppose to. I was short 5 bags.

I was short 1 bag, but they refunded me the amount after calling them