Formula 1 2015: General Discussion Thread

Infoanon

_rebelkid wrote: »

Well this is all a mess.

Sauber purposely didn't do anything to allow VDG to drive the car; no seat, no superlicence (although he does actually have one). Court getting tired of Sauber's dodging "You have a contract, why won't you just comply with it?". Sauber want the case to go to the Swiss Court of Arbitration. Their whole strategy from the get go was delay and frustrate, and they're doing it.

Sauber have lost the appeal, BUT, incredible as it seems,VDG failed to renew his superlicence! so cannot race this weekend - it takes 14 days to renew the licence...

mickdw

Infoanon wrote: »

Sauber have lost the appeal, BUT, incredible as it seems,VDG failed to renew his superlicence! so cannot race this weekend - it takes 14 days to renew the licence...

What is his reason for not having the licence. Is it a fault on his end or is it the team needing to give him miles in a car?

Harika

mickdw wrote: »

What is his reason for not having the licence. Is it a fault on his end or is it the team needing to give him miles in a car?

It is Saubers fault, cause VDG has applied everything but Sauber has not forwarded it to the FIA. That is in breach of the court ruling from switzerland that stated that Sauber shall not do anything to stop VDG from racing.

bbsrs

guyfo wrote: »

BBC have a deal with sky as they decided it was more important to spend money on the likes of topgear and musketeers than F1. Sky F1 show all races and bbc chooses 10 I think.

If u have a SKY HD subscription the F1 channel comes with it and its definitely hands down the best place to watch F1!

I have Sky HD subscription but not a sky sports subscription can i watch sky f1 at no xtra cost .

Harika

bbsrs wrote: »

I have Sky HD subscription but not a sky sports subscription can i watch sky f1 at no xtra cost .

Yes

Infoanon

Harika wrote: »

It is Saubers fault, cause VDG has applied everything but Sauber has not forwarded it to the FIA. That is in breach of the court ruling from switzerland that stated that Sauber shall not do anything to stop VDG from racing.

VDG not Applying for a Superlicence renewal has nothing to do with Sauber.

Rules seem a bit confusing but both parties apparently apply and neither did.

If VDG has not applied for the annual renewal then it is a huge own goal by VDG.

Harika

Infoanon wrote: »

VDG not Applying for a Superlicence renewal has nothing to do with Sauber.

Rules seem a bit confusing but both parties apparently apply and neither did.

If VDG has not applied for the annual renewal then it is a huge own goal by VDG.

Yes seems to be a false information from the news page.

tripperman

wonder what bernie and john todt thinks of this sauber mess,

Harika

tripperman wrote: »

wonder what bernie and john todt thinks of this sauber mess,

Bernie always wanted 4 car teams, now he already has a 3 driver team.

mickdw

tripperman wrote: »

wonder what bernie and john todt thinks of this sauber mess,

I think the opinion of the powers that be will be known by whether a super licence appears for v der g for this weekend.

Jordan 199

I think it's time that Peter Sauber takes on the role as team principal of his team again. Sauber have been going downhill since Monisha took over.

Sterling Archer

Just two fellas waffling on....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNIs6qsnC-k

tripperman

Harika wrote: »

Bernie always wanted 4 car teams, now he already has a 3 driver team.

he prob tell sauber race the three so, i think fia will get the super license for him and leave sauber to there necks in questions

GT_TDI_150

Jordan 191 wrote: »

I think it's time that Peter Sauber takes on the role as team principal of his team again. Sauber have been going downhill since Monisha took over.

Would that meant that they'd have someone on a team principle contract getting moved out of that role? ... I see a court case in the future

Tippex

So apparently the Appeal has been thrown out and the court has told Sauber to also pay Van Der Garde's costs. Van Der Garde has also filed a contempt of court application which is to be heard 2 hours before practice which could see Sauber's assets being seized.
I cannot fathom how in gods name a team can be so stupid and arrogant. The drivers are now speaking up backing Van Der Garde.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/31846217

Tippex

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

Would that meant that they'd have someone on a team principle contract getting moved out of that role? ... I see a court case in the future

It could well be that she could get the boot for gross misconduct for allowing this to happen.

HighLine

The playing the "safety issue" by Sauber was a real cheap shot smacking of desperation. Thought Jenson's comments on it were accurate...

"The bit that surprises me most is the comments from Sauber saying it is a safety issue with him driving the car," Button told Sky Sports.

"For me it is a shame that they have gone in that direction, because safety is always a concern in motorsport and we shouldn't be throwing it around lightly.

"Personally him driving the car is not a safety issue. I think it is unfair to use that against Giedo."

Zcott

First practice starts at 1:30 tonight...can't wait!

Jordan 199

Some nose pics of the Manor:





The car is mostly orangey-red and white with some black here and there. Apart from a Pirelli logo on the nose, there is no other sponsor on the car.

Tippex

Jordan 191 wrote: »

The car is mostly orangey-red and white with some black here and there. Apart from a Pirelli logo on the nose, there is no other sponsor on the car.

Gotta give them some major Kudos for making it there with 2 cars competitive or not.

GT_TDI_150

Jordan 191 wrote: »

Some nose pics of the Manor:

The car is mostly orangey-red and white with some black here and there. Apart from a Pirelli logo on the nose, there is no other sponsor on the car.

What the Mclarens should have looked like colourwise!

smellslikeshoes

Tippex wrote: »

Gotta give them some major Kudos for making it there with 2 cars competitive or not.

I don't think we will even get the chance to see are they competitive or not. Rumours going around online about engine software issues that will prevent them from racing. I personally think that racing this weekend was never part of the plan and going to Melbourne was a token effort, would love to be wrong though.

Sterling Archer

Personally I'm delighted they made it... and frankly (if then don't have the above issues) I wouldn't be mad if the did the formation lap and retired, it's a log season ahead for them

PopePalpatine

Jordan 191 wrote: »

The car is mostly orangey-red and white with some black here and there. Apart from a Pirelli logo on the nose, there is no other sponsor on the car.

Isn't there an Errea logo on the sides of the rear wing? I saw it in an overhead photo of the MNR-1.

Jordan 199

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Isn't there an Errea logo on the sides of the rear wing? I saw it in an overhead photo of the MNR-1.

You are correct. There are Errea logos on the sides of the rear wing endplates.

Frank Bullitt

Rumblings now that they don't have all the parts for the power units, and they might not be able to run.

walshb

Anyone else think Natalie Pinkman is hot?

_rebelkid

walshb wrote: »

Anyone else think Natalie Pinkman is hot?

Her husband does I'd say...

tripperman

walshb wrote: »

Anyone else think Natalie Pinkman is hot?

yeah she is and very friendly, met her at a race when she was with bbc got her autograph along with lee mcenzie and ej aswell, lee and natalie arent just pretty faces they know there stuff to,

counterlock

Van Der Garde's swipe card won't allow him access to the paddock

mickdw

counterlock wrote: »

Van Der Garde's swipe card won't allow him access to the paddock

He got in after a few mins but I guess that straight off means sauber are breaking the court ruling.

Tippex

Adam cooper has just updated his blog. This is just wow.....
http://adamcooperf1.com/2015/03/13/van-der-garde-v-sauber-what-happens-next/

guyfo

I googled her a few days ago just to see her background and came across this article from 2011:

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-10-03/news/30238474_1_monisha-kaltenborn-fritz-kaiser-group-hotel-management

Nearly burst myself laughing when I came across this line!

Negotiating watertight contracts with drivers, sponsors and suppliers was her daily fare over all those years.

Did she just forget everything she learnt previously when she took up the new position? Surely a lawyer who specialised in these sort of things for years would spot any potential problems straight away just by reading a contract once....

veganrun

walshb wrote: »

Anyone else think Natalie Pinkman is hot?

She is attractive but her personality makes her more so.

Having said that, Tanja from Sky Germany is my favourite.

bbsrs

Watching sky f1 practice 1 replay and it's my first experience of sky f1 and in fairness it's fairly comprehensive informative coverage, Brundle is not the most likeable chap but overall it's pretty good.

mickdw

bbsrs wrote: »

Watching sky f1 practice 1 replay and it's my first experience of sky f1 and in fairness it's fairly comprehensive informative coverage, Brundle is not the most likeable chap but overall it's pretty good.

The quali and race shows are generally abit better too.
I like Brundle. Says it straight for the most part and is generally spot on about things and has been there and done that.

_rebelkid

And as quickly as it began, VDG BV V Sauber is done. He and Sauber have reached a "deal".

mickdw

_rebelkid wrote: »

And as quickly as it began, VDG BV V Sauber is done. He and Sauber have reached a "deal".

He said that he is giving up his right to race this weekend. What's the story for next race?

_rebelkid

mickdw wrote: »

He said that he is giving up his right to race this weekend. What's the story for next race?

Arbitration order stands, Sauber must let him race.

Mitch Connor

If vdg forces himself into a race seat, will that then lead to one of the other two drivers taking basically the same action vs sauber over the loss of their seat?

smellslikeshoes

Mitch Connor wrote: »

If vdg forces himself into a race seat, will that then lead to one of the other two drivers taking basically the same action vs sauber over the loss of their seat?

Yep that's why the whole thing was such a complete and utter cluster****, but instead of trying to resolve it, they put their head in the sand. It took the threat of Monisha Kaltenborn being taken into custody and bailiffs being ready to take Sauber's equipment to finally bring them to the table.

Really looking forward to seeing what will be involved in the agreement

challengemaster

Mitch Connor wrote: »

If vdg forces himself into a race seat, will that then lead to one of the other two drivers taking basically the same action vs sauber over the loss of their seat?

Is he playing the long game at all though? While the drivers are backing him (and rightly so), he may have just shot himself in the foot in terms of ever getting another drive in F1. Time will tell.

Ghost Train

Is this a sign of the lengths the small f1 teams had to go to last year to get money to survive (by signing multiple drivers with money) or just a stupid oversight with contacts they entered into

here's the statement

Van der Garde noted: "With respect to the interest of motorsport, and F1 in particular, I have decided to give up my legal rights to race this weekend at the Melbourne Grand Prix."

“As I am a passionate race driver this decision has been very difficult for me. However I also wish to respect the interest of the FIA, Sauber Motorsport, as well as Nasr and Ericsson.

“My management will continue talks with Sauber early next week to find a mutually acceptable solution for the current situation that has now arisen.

“I am confident such solution will be found and I will inform the media once done.”

Infoanon

Ghost Train wrote: »

Is this a sign of the lengths the small f1 teams had to go to last year to get money to survive (by signing multiple drivers with money) or just a stupid oversight with contacts they entered into

here's the statement

Without the money Sauber would have collapsed.

Mike Litoris

Not sure if this is legit or not. Verified F1 channel on You Tube


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCB_qr75-ydFVKSF9Dmo6izg

Charlie-Bravo

Seems to be - and they joined in Dec 2005. They are so slow sometimes to change. About time Bernie :rollseyes:

I do like the new graphics on the TV now - much better for those with slight visual impairments. Most graphics online now are quite flat looking. Simples.

Charlie-Bravo

Really good in HD, even better in 4k (if you happen to be a lucky ducker with one for your monitor)!

360 degree videos in Youtube - mad stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClAuhgFQpLo

counterlock

astrofluff wrote: »

360 degree videos in Youtube - mad stuff

That's unreal!

Tippex

just a bit more on the sauber case.
Ted commented in his qualy notebook that VDG father in law owns the mcgregor clothing brand and is not short of a few bob and that the rumours doing the rounds is that he will take a stake in sauber

collie0708

Trying to get back into F1 after about 10 years away,hopefully this year is more competitive than the last few races I watched last year I was confident it would be after winter testing but after the last few days there is only 1 team that will be the constructors champions