Charlie (RTE1 Charlie Haughey Drama)

Skid X · 12-01-2015 12:06am

In 1986 CJ Haughey did a documentary series about Ireland for Channel 4. Hard to see Enda doing that now.

Something for you to watch before next week's concluding episode!

Lisha · 12-01-2015 12:06am

MrsD007 wrote: »

I feel sorry for Justice Keane and Terry's children too.

True enough I do too. I think terry Keane deserved better.

12-01-2015 12:06am

Lisha wrote: »

Even though I have no affiliation to any political party/leaders, I really feel sorry for the haughey family. Maybe it suits them to be airbrushed out but I do feel terry Keane has been given too much prominence.

Was he separated in all but legal terms from the wife at that stage? She is nowhere to be seen

Mycroft H · 12-01-2015 12:08am

Who was the bumbling eejit that Mara and CJ found in the jacks?

katydid · 12-01-2015 12:08am

radharc wrote: »

Have to say I'm loving it, Gillen is an actor I usually think is over-rated but really impressed with him in this. This week was a big step up on last week imo.

Ah come on. His speech is totally unnatural. He doesn't speak, he declaims. Even when he's relaxing with his mistress, he is declaiming.

His gestures and so on are good, but the delivery of the lines is appalling.

HeidiHeidi · 12-01-2015 12:10am

For anyone watching this who wasn't around at the time, you'd never guess that Haughey was married with a family. You'd think they could at least hint at their existence, if only to put Terry Keane into proper perspective.

There's a lot of semi-caricature portrayals going on - I'm not sure anyone would be flattered by their alter egos in this, bar possibly Des O'Malley.

The guy in the toilet is making it nearly like a bad whodunnit. He's obviously not a real character otherwise someone would have recognised him or he'd have been identified. So what's he meant to be representing?

And if Gillen doesn't stop saying buttttttttt and outtttttttt and the like, I'll scream!

Beechfiled · 12-01-2015 12:13am

I wish they would wear name badges, Im confused as to whos who, its too fast for me jumping from one thing to another.

Tony_Yeboah · 12-01-2015 12:14am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Anyone know if the yellow painted block of flats you see Tony Gregory (Kinlan) hanging out in a couple of times is one of the old blocks around the Liberties? St Teresa's Gardens perhaps? Looks ridiculously familiar, but then a lot of older apartment complexes look the same...

Apartment complexes! Ha!

Lady Chatterton · 12-01-2015 12:14am

Deleted User wrote: »

Was he separated in all but legal terms from the wife at that stage? She is nowhere to be seen

No, Maureen and he remained together until his death.

I've always liked Maureen Haughey, she comes across as a real lady but part of me feels that CJH may have been more in love with the idea of being Sean Lemass' son in law. It could have only have helped his career.

washman3 · 12-01-2015 12:14am

MrsD007 wrote: »

I feel sorry for Justice Keane and Terry's children too.

Even after his disgraceful carry on at the Stardust inquiry...???

12-01-2015 12:16am

katydid wrote: »

Nobody seems to know. Mystery man.

They need to say and repeat names over and over so we can know who is supposed to be who. It's very hard to follow.

Ray McSharry as said last week

Lady Chatterton · 12-01-2015 12:17am

washman3 wrote: »

Even after his disgraceful carry on at the Stardust inquiry...???

Justice Keane is an honourable man.

The Keane Tribunal's report published in 1982 was critical of Dublin Corporation for failures in building regulations and planning inspections and the Department of the Environment for inadequate fire prevention services and deficiencies in training in the fire service. Justice Keane also criticised the owners and management of the Stardust ballroom itself for its 'recklessly dangerous practices' when it was revealed that some emergency exit doors had been locked and impeded on the night of the fire.

12-01-2015 12:17am

washman3 wrote: »

Even after his disgraceful carry on at the Stardust inquiry...???

Thats right, where he plucked a decision of 'probable arson' out of his arse.

12-01-2015 12:19am

MrsD007 wrote: »

Justice Keane is an honourable man.

Didnt find the owners in any way guilty though did he.

Beechfiled · 12-01-2015 12:20am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Anyone know if the yellow painted block of flats you see Tony Gregory (Kinlan) hanging out in a couple of times is one of the old blocks around the Liberties? St Teresa's Gardens perhaps? Looks ridiculously familiar, but then a lot of older apartment complexes look the same...

Like everything else, they were in Love/Hate. They look like Dolphin house in Dolphins Barn to me.

leck · 12-01-2015 12:20am

grey_so_what wrote: »

Because it's a drama - as we are told - it misses an awful lot.

At least I've seen a new way to eat fowl...

It is said that the Ortolan was the last thing to pass Mitterrand’s lips in his final meal on New Year's Eve 1995. He died eight days later of prostate cancer at the age of 79 in January 1996.

12-01-2015 12:20am

MrsD007 wrote: »

No, Maureen and he remained together until his death.

I've always liked Maureen Haughey, she comes across as a real lady but part of me feels that CJH may have been more in love with the idea of being Sean Lemass' son in law. It could have only have helped his career.

Knocked four kids out of Maureen so must have liked what he seen at some stage and he even went as far as putting a ring on it.

Lady Chatterton · 12-01-2015 12:21am

Deleted User wrote: »

Didnt find the owners in any way guilty though did he.

It was a tribunal not a trial and he did criticise the owners for the Stardust Ballroom for its 'recklessly dangerous practices' when it was revealed that some emergency exit doors had been locked and impeded on the night of the fire.

washman3 · 12-01-2015 12:23am

Deleted User wrote: »

Thats right, where he plucked a decision of 'probable arson' out of his arse.

The 2 words that saved the owners from liability..!!
The same owners that were FF supporters.;)

Agricola · 12-01-2015 12:25am

Quite common for Kings and Emperors to have a wife/children/stable home life while having plenty of fun on the side. Haughey seemed to buy into that whole lifestyle.

12-01-2015 12:29am

MrsD007 wrote: »

It was a tribunal not a trial and he did criticise the owners for the Stardust Ballroom for its 'recklessly dangerous practices' when it was revealed that some emergency exit doors had been locked and impeded on the night of the fire.

True but the final verdict blamed an unseen arsonist without any shred of proof that arson took place and for that i believe the judges took part in a blatant whitewash. (granted he was one of a panel of judges)

It emerged in later years that the room where all of the detergents were kept in were not in the basement but at first floor club level so the strong possibility was that these detergents may have imploded causing the flames to rise and spread thorugh the ceiling. Conveniently whitewashed.

seligehgit · 12-01-2015 12:30am

Deleted User wrote: »

Ray McSharry as said last week

Don't think so,he was finance minister.This dude was a lowly backbencher allegedly promised a junior ministry...engaged in a bit of tomfoolery when Des O Malley was offered his ministerial portfolio.Charlie pretended he would ruin his politicial career and legal practice if he did'nt toe the line.

12-01-2015 12:32am

Agricola wrote: »

Quite common for Kings and Emperors to have a wife/children/stable home life while having plenty of fun on the side. Haughey seemed to buy into that whole lifestyle.

I can remember a scene from one of the Underbelly films about the Calabrian mafia where one of the gangster molls was happy enough if her husband had affairs just so long as they didnt become public and shame her family. Could be the case here.

coolhull · 12-01-2015 12:34am

Deleted User wrote: »

Ray McSharry as said last week

The only thing I took from that 'toilet' scene is that you should always, always, lock the door when you're on the jacks

BrianBoru00 · 12-01-2015 12:40am

Mycroft H wrote: »

Who was the bumbling eejit that Mara and CJ found in the jacks?

I presume its Neil Blaney who was independant..sort of.
Bit like Jackie Healy Rae - Independant Fianna Fail

12-01-2015 12:41am

seligehgit wrote: »

Don't think so,he was finance minister.This dude was a lowly backbencher allegedly promised a junior ministry...engaged in a bit of tomfoolery when Des O Malley was offered his ministerial portfolio.Charlie was pretended he was would ruin his politicial career and legal practice if he did'nt toe the line.

Indeed your right

This is McSharry

This article backs you up

http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/charlie-s-people-who-was-who-in-the-world-of-charles-haughey-1.2060504

sligojoek · 12-01-2015 12:42am

leck wrote: »

It is said that the Ortolan was the last thing to pass Mitterrand’s lips in his final meal on New Year's Eve 1995. He died eight days later of prostate cancer at the age of 79 in January 1996.

The Mitterand thing gets a mention here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/11101187/Ortolans-could-Frances-cruellest-food-be-back-on-the-menu.html

Ortolan recipe
http://www.ecis.com/~alizard/ortolan_recipe.html
Not for the faint hearted.