Charlie (RTE1 Charlie Haughey Drama)

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W1ll1s

The majority of the older generation looked upon ANY major politician as an idol WHEN they had a personal contact with "The Man"

Looking forward to part 3. Think Gillen has Charlie off to a T

realdanbreen

W1ll1s wrote: »

The majority of the older generation looked upon ANY major politician as an idol WHEN they had a personal contact with "The Man"

Looking forward to part 3. Think Gillen has Charlie off to a T

At least that generation knew who was in the dail and how things worked.Todays generation know little other than xbox games and whats trending on twitter.

jezzer

realdanbreen wrote: »

At least that generation knew who was in the dail and how things worked.Todays generation know little other than xbox games and whats trending on twitter.

You know something, your dead right, as bad as things were back then, and by God they were bleak, i sometimes think that we were better off, people took an interest in the running of the country and didnt just get on bandwagons always blaming the government over everything, people back then worked hard and made somethings of themselves, i'm inclined to think that nowadays people are too fond of blaming others for their lack of this and that...

People were more active and didnt spend their time in front of xboxes as you say

football was tougher, the guards were more lenient, you could work your way up in life once you got on the ladder, you could have a few pints and drive, you could smoke fags anywhere, you didnt need as much money, if you knew someone somewhere they could give you a dig out....progress isnt always a good thing...

jezzer

Its not often i compliment RTE, in fact never, but "charlie" is fantastic, very well made, should be more than 3 episodes, its even better than love/hate

Aidan Gillen has to be complimented, i thought his acting as john boy in love/hate was dubious, however, he is absolutely fantastic as Haughey, well done to him, he got haughey spot on, the supporting cast has been fantastic as well, TVL as always great acting and elmo was great as tony gregory...its nice to have something to enjoy for a change.

Kunkka

jezzer wrote: »

Aidan Gillen has to be complimented, i thought his acting as john boy in love/hate was dubious, however, he is absolutely fantastic as Haughey, well done to him, he got haughey spot on, the supporting cast has been fantastic as well, TVL as always great acting and elmo was great as tony gregory...its nice to have something to enjoy for a change.

Didn't think he was great in Love/Hate either but anything else I've seen him in like GoT or the Wire he's been brilliant.

Alfred Borden

Really enjoyed the second episode, big step up from the first. Gillen is superb in this.

katydid

jezzer wrote: »

Its not often i compliment RTE, in fact never, but "charlie" is fantastic, very well made, should be more than 3 episodes, its even better than love/hate

Aidan Gillen has to be complimented, i thought his acting as john boy in love/hate was dubious, however, he is absolutely fantastic as Haughey, well done to him, he got haughey spot on, the supporting cast has been fantastic as well, TVL as always great acting and elmo was great as tony gregory...its nice to have something to enjoy for a change.

Totally disagree. Haughey didn't declaim everything. He spoke like a normal human being.

Gits_bone

realdanbreen wrote: »

At least that generation knew who was in the dail and how things worked.Todays generation know little other than xbox games and whats trending on twitter.

What ages are we talking about? Maybe under 18's yes but who'd blame them for not giving a ****e when they can't vote? 18's and over certainly do know.

The Black Oil

Liked the second episode.

darlenmol

Man that Dark Knight Rises soundtrack really grinds my gears

ivytwine

Gits_bone wrote: »

What ages are we talking about? Maybe under 18's yes but who'd blame them for not giving a ****e when they can't vote? 18's and over certainly do know.

I think my age (25) are pretty aware- given the ****e we've found ourselves in how could we not be? Even as a teen I remember pretty passionate school debates about the Iraq war and Irish neutrality.

What we are though, is incredibly cynical. There's no flower power or 80s style socialism or very little. I feel and I'm sure I'm not alone that our politicians are an amoral, corrupt bunch of cowards. There's also no sense of an alternative. Funnily enough it was the old boys club and the likes of Charlie who helped breed that kind of cynicism into the electorate.

darlenmol

darlenmol wrote: »

Man that Dark Knight Rises soundtrack really grinds my gears

You nearly expect Haughey and Mara to change into Batman and Robin and hop into the batmobile . Bertie Ahern can be Two Face with Sean Doherty as the Joker, Margaret Thatcher as Poison Ivy.

Who could play the Riddler?

SaveOurLyric

ivytwine wrote: »

Funnily enough it was the old boys club and the likes of Charlie who helped breed that kind of cynicism into the electorate.

Or your parents, who elected him ?

leck

darlenmol wrote: »

Man that Dark Knight Rises soundtrack really grinds my gears

Is that really the source? I usually don't even notice a soundtrack, but the one used is really grating.

darlenmol

leck wrote: »

Is that really the source? I usually don't even notice a soundtrack, but the one used is really grating.

i stuck on the dark knight rises after i watched it for the crack. the dramatic parts in charlie are like the bits when batman fights with bane, its ****in silly.

ivytwine

SaveOurLyric wrote: »

Or your parents, who elected him ?

My parents certainly didn't vote for him, seeing as they spent the entire decade in the UK.

BuilderPlumber

jezzer wrote: »

Its not often i compliment RTE, in fact never, but "charlie" is fantastic, very well made, should be more than 3 episodes, its even better than love/hate

Aidan Gillen has to be complimented, i thought his acting as john boy in love/hate was dubious, however, he is absolutely fantastic as Haughey, well done to him, he got haughey spot on, the supporting cast has been fantastic as well, TVL as always great acting and elmo was great as tony gregory...its nice to have something to enjoy for a change.

Yes, this is a very good series. I enjoy seeing the Love/Hate characters in different roles! As a big fan of Love/Hate, I think this is a very worthy followup and is as good as Love/Hate in its own right. Very different subject matter or is it!!

RTE can do very good drama when they want to. Both these series showed this. And there have been others. Perhaps there has been too much emphasis of chatshows and political debate programmes on Irish TV? Resources should be put into new dramas of the calibre of these 2 I think. Watching both Charlie and Love/Hate tells us more about Ireland and its society than 20 episodes of Frontline or Tubridy ever could.

jezzer

Kunkka wrote: »

Didn't think he was great in Love/Hate either but anything else I've seen him in like GoT or the Wire he's been brilliant.

I wonder why he was so poor as john boy?

jezzer

katydid wrote: »

Totally disagree. Haughey didn't declaim everything. He spoke like a normal human being.

he had a very pronounced was of speaking

jezzer

ivytwine wrote: »

I think my age (25) are pretty aware- given the ****e we've found ourselves in how could we not be? Even as a teen I remember pretty passionate school debates about the Iraq war and Irish neutrality.

What we are though, is incredibly cynical. There's no flower power or 80s style socialism or very little. I feel and I'm sure I'm not alone that our politicians are an amoral, corrupt bunch of cowards. There's also no sense of an alternative. Funnily enough it was the old boys club and the likes of Charlie who helped breed that kind of cynicism into the electorate.

essentially it all began with haughey, then reynolds then bertine then cowan....but at the same time, it happens in a lot of countries, power is a dangerous thing for people who cant handle it

jezzer

Deleted User wrote: »

You nearly expect Haughey and Mara to change into Batman and Robin and hop into the batmobile . Bertie Ahern can be Two Face with Sean Doherty as the Joker, Margaret Thatcher as Poison Ivy.

Who could play the Riddler?

well by the sounds of it, with all haugheys bed hopping, he was riddled....

jezzer

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Yes, this is a very good series. I enjoy seeing the Love/Hate characters in different roles! As a big fan of Love/Hate, I think this is a very worthy followup and is as good as Love/Hate in its own right. Very different subject matter or is it!!

RTE can do very good drama when they want to. Both these series showed this. And there have been others. Perhaps there has been too much emphasis of chatshows and political debate programmes on Irish TV? Resources should be put into new dramas of the calibre of these 2 I think. Watching both Charlie and Love/Hate tells us more about Ireland and its society than 20 episodes of Frontline or Tubridy ever could.

Oh your completely right, however money is the issue, when your paying a guy like tubbers a quarter of a million per year and dickheads like ray darcy 300k per year, it doesnt leave much to make actual good television, both frontline and the latelate are both rehashed garbage, you would be listening to the same tat over and over....it falls into the category of reality tv, its a disgrace, take last night for example, tv3 had some crap with that insufferable amanda bunker and rte 2 had some tripe with nora casey and travellers whislt on rte 1 was prime time going over the same old recession rubbish.... cheap tv

And can someone please tell me what irish televisions obsession is with travellers???? i personally dont want to spend my tv viewing time looking at travellers or disadvantaged people and some fool like brezzy or nora casey help them try and make a go of their lives only to find out 3 months down the line they "fell back into old ways" tv3 are obsessed with travellers and drug dealers...and utv ireland is the worst excuse for a tv station i've ever seen and that operation transformation rubbish, do you really need to go on tv in your underpants and make a show of yourself to get fit????? what happened to going out running on your own without that bloody katherine thomas following you around with a camera???? and we think the '80's was bleak.....

bazermc

jezzer wrote: »

Oh your completely right, however money is the issue, when your paying a guy like tubbers a quarter of a million per year and dickheads like ray darcy 300k per year, it doesnt leave much to make actual good television, both frontline and the latelate are both rehashed garbage, you would be listening to the same tat over and over....it falls into the category of reality tv, its a disgrace, take last night for example, tv3 had some crap with that insufferable amanda bunker and rte 2 had some tripe with nora casey and travellers whislt on rte 1 was prime time going over the same old recession rubbish.... cheap tv

And can someone please tell me what irish televisions obsession is with travellers???? i personally dont want to spend my tv viewing time looking at travellers or disadvantaged people and some fool like brezzy or nora casey help them try and make a go of their lives only to find out 3 months down the line they "fell back into old ways" tv3 are obsessed with travellers and drug dealers...and utv ireland is the worst excuse for a tv station i've ever seen and that operation transformation rubbish, do you really need to go on tv in your underpants and make a show of yourself to get fit????? what happened to going out running on your own without that bloody katherine thomas following you around with a camera???? and we think the '80's was bleak.....

Yikes, somebody got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning :eek:

jezzer

bazermc wrote: »

Yikes, somebody got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning :eek:

lol, not necessarily, however, i got a rare chance to sit down and watch tv for a bit last night and all that was on was reality crap...it would rot your brain, cheap uneducated uninventive tripe, is this what passes for tv these days???

oh lets give nora casey some tv, what will we give her? oh i know, travellers, lets do something with travellers....traveller women in business...there's a great angle, lets call it noras traveller camp...brilliant

brezzy, we need to get him on tv....i know, lets send him into some disadvantaged hole in limerick and see what happens....

tv3, ok guys we are banjaxed, ulster television ireland have taken all our shows...i know lets get amanda bunker to go out and do some slave labour, it will be brilliant and we will only have to pay her a fiver, brilliant...then we can gather up a load of actors on the dole who arent even good enough to get on fairly ****ty and throw them into our own excuse for a soap opera, it will be brillaint....

utv ireland....lets not bother showing any news before afternoon, nothing happens anyway and lets take all the crap shows that utv show and show them but not the decent stuff....

at least with "charlie" aside from it being a great show, you might actually learn something about our history, you wont learn too much looking at a bunch of traveller women complain about how they are hard done by...

mzungu

jezzer wrote: »

Oh your completely right, however money is the issue, when your paying a guy like tubbers a quarter of a million per year and dickheads like ray darcy 300k per year, it doesnt leave much to make actual good television, both frontline and the latelate are both rehashed garbage , you would be listening to the same tat over and over....it falls into the category of reality tv, its a disgrace, take last night for example, tv3 had some crap with that insufferable amanda bunker and rte 2 had some tripe with nora casey and travellers whislt on rte 1 was prime time going over the same old recession rubbish....

I think the frontline has its place and can at times (depending on whats being discussed) be quite enjoyable. The Late Late and the Saturday Night show are essentially the same programme, and one of them should be axed.

The Late Late is a pale shadow of its former self, a never ending line of reality tv stars and C listers promoting their latest novel / tv show / new diet / what ever else is flavour of the month. The Saturday Night show is much the same, but in fairness it does not pretend to be anything else. Id scrap the LLS personally.

Back to the matter in hand, cant wait for this weeks episode. I have found so far that Charlie is being portrayed in a sympathetic light. Which makes me wonder how they will portray his fiasco surrounding him siphoning off nearly a quarter of a million from Brian Lenihans kidney transplant fund.

who the fug

mzungu wrote: »

The Late Late is a pale shadow of its former self, a never ending line of reality tv stars and C listers promoting their latest novel / tv show / new diet / what ever else is flavour of the month. The Saturday Night show is much the same, but in fairness it does not pretend to be anything else. Id scrap the LLS personally.

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Nothing has change since the eighties then

My memories of the Late Late from the eighties

and then gay the Kangaroo came back to life and ran off with me coat

every Z lister what went to Australia

Gay them Turks they loved me hair and I loads of marriage offers, and I have a packed out tour coming up so I have

Linda bleeding Martin

W1ll1s

Nearly 15 mins of adds every hour drives me nuts!

W1ll1s

Kunkka wrote: »

Didn't think he was great in Love/Hate either but anything else I've seen him in like GoT or the Wire he's been brilliant.

He's great in the short clip Ambition the film =on YouTube

BuilderPlumber

mzungu wrote: »

I think the frontline has its place and can at times (depending on whats being discussed) be quite enjoyable. The Late Late and the Saturday Night show are essentially the same programme, and one of them should be axed.

The Late Late is a pale shadow of its former self, a never ending line of reality tv stars and C listers promoting their latest novel / tv show / new diet / what ever else is flavour of the month. The Saturday Night show is much the same, but in fairness it does not pretend to be anything else. Id scrap the LLS personally.

Back to the matter in hand, cant wait for this weeks episode. I have found so far that Charlie is being portrayed in a sympathetic light. Which makes me wonder how they will portray his fiasco surrounding him siphoning off nearly a quarter of a million from Brian Lenihans kidney transplant fund.

I think the Late Late Show has run its course. May check in on it later but will not watch it fully and haven't done for around 2 years I'd say! I prefer the Saturday Night Show as it is shorter and for some reason is more natural and interesting. I think that it is its pace it it moves quickly so even poor fare passes by faster!

The Frontline's 2009 to 2013 run was blotted by overemphasis on the tired story of our banks and the 'poor people bailing out the rich recession'. There is something very disturbing in watching a man (Pat Kenny) on obscene money talking about things he never has to worry about! This programme lacked invention and it was just the same topic over and over most of the time. It was bad natured and argumentative too and very stress enducing.

Primetime is a better programme but again when it is banks, recession, etc. it is boring. International current affairs are always more interesting I find as not much really goes on in Ireland (which is probably good as we don't want to be the centre of attention like Iraq and Syria are!). Primetime is at its best dealing with international topics.

Irish TV is at its best when a good drama is made. Love/Hate and Charlie are two of the best recent ones. I enjoyed Amber too (not everyone was happy with its ending but it was the realistic ending for most in such situations unfortunately) last year. The Fall was a good one as well. Did not get to see Quirke, Single Handed or Raw so can't judge these ones. Further back, we had The Family, Making the Cut and Strumpet City. Admittedly, we had some misses along the way too like Trouble in Paradise and the infamous The Big Bow Wow. But the fact is, I can name more good than bad Irish dramas.