What is your view on Knock Airport charging everyone a tenner to leave it?

Graham

Tarzana2 wrote: »

I found out in the airport before entering departures. Ryanair doesn't inform passengers. Knock Airport is I'm sure aware of this. But they heavily rely on Ryanair so are probably not in a position to lean on Ryanair to inform passengers of this charge like they should. Once again, what's the issue here?

That sounds like you're suggesting an airport and airline are colluding to hide this additional/extra charge from the travelling public.

Tarzana2

Graham wrote: »

That sounds like you're suggesting an airport and airline are colluding to hide this additional/extra charge from the travelling public.

If that's what you want to take from what I wrote, grand.

Anyway, I've said what I wanted to, and repeated it for the slow of reading numerous times. No point going around again for another round. Adios.

Andy From Sligo

I checked out a flight once from Knock and it was €78euro return with ryanair (then there would be the 10eur on top for their so called development fee), and then I checked the price from Dublin to the same destination and it was €19.99 from Dublin airport, so you cannot always get cheap flights from knock

Graham

Tarzana2 wrote: »

If that's what you want to take from what I wrote, grand.

Anyway, I've said what I wanted to, and repeated it for the slow of reading numerous times. No point going around again for another round. Adios.

There's a compulsory thread development fee of €10 before you can leave

Andy From Sligo

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I checked out a flight once from Knock and it was €78euro return with ryanair (then there would be the 10eur on top for their so called development fee), and then I checked the price from Dublin to the same destination and it was €19.99 from Dublin airport, so you cannot always get cheap flights from knock

So you weigh up what is the cheapest option for you and go with that. Jeez, it isn't ****ing rocket science!

Kevin McCloud

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

So you weigh up what is the cheapest option for you and go with that. Jeez, it isn't ****ing rocket science!

But you must take the return flight into consideration too you know.

Kevin McCloud

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

But you must take the return flight into consideration too you know.

huh?

Kevin McCloud

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

huh?

As your overall cost of flying i.e the airport you normally fly out of is the same as the one you return. Is that clear cut enough?

Andy From Sligo

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

So you weigh up what is the cheapest option for you and go with that. Jeez, it isn't ****ing rocket science!

but my heart was telling me to support my local airport though... you know the one they built nearby just for the likes of me! :rolleyes:

Andy From Sligo

When i got the call years ago that my poor ol mum was dying in luton I had to use my nearest airport which is knock, because of short notice and got the one last seat left on a ryanair flight it cost me a whopping €250euro one way (plus the €5 euro departure fee!) ....

Andy From Sligo

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

but my heart was telling me to support my local airport though... you know the one they built nearby just for the likes of me! :rolleyes:

There is more than you in the north west, Andy From Sligo. No one is forcing you to use the airport.

Perhaps you should head on down to Strandhill and get a plane from there. Oh wait.... :rolleyes:

Andy From Sligo

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

There is more than you in the north west, Andy From Sligo. No one is forcing you to use the airport.

Perhaps you should head on down to Strandhill and get a plane from there. Oh wait.... :rolleyes:

ahh so thats the key, if Strandhill had charged a departure fee - they would still be running flights today? - now i see how it works! :cool:

rainbowtrout

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

When i got the call years ago that my poor ol mum was dying in luton I had to use my nearest airport which is knock, because of short notice and got the one last seat left on a ryanair flight it cost me a whopping €250euro one way (plus the €5 euro departure fee!) ....

Last minute flights are always expensive no matter where you are travelling from. Not sure what point you are trying to make. There's a Ryanair flight leaving Dublin - Stansted tomorrow at 3:30 for €239 one way. Obviously if I needed to take that flight at short notice tomorrow I'd have to cough up the money and pay to get to Dublin. The most expensive flight leaving Knock tomorrow is €186. €196 when development fee is added on.

So I guess go where is the cheapest and most convenient. No one is forcing you to fly from Knock, you can take the 3 hour drive to Dublin Airport from Sligo and pay for your petrol and tolls on top of it or do a 45 minute journey to Knock.

Andy From Sligo

i dont get how these airport infrastructure works here in Ireland anyway, there should be a proper 120km/h motorway with no roundabouts or traffic lights to get from Sligo to Knock Airport and the same thing with getting from Sligo to Dublin airport these days - what happened why have we not got them?

Kevin McCloud

Andy you are asking too much now there with motorways in sligo.

Tin Foil Hat

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Since when did Knock airport start issuing the bills to passengers?

Since they stared charging people ten quid for passing through the airport.

Andy From Sligo

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

Andy you are asking too much now there with motorways in sligo.

be cool though, very convenient

Kevin McCloud

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

be cool though, very convenient

It would indeed but count yourself lucky just living in sligo, imagine living in the sticks of donegal say and travelling then be a bigger problem.

Andy From Sligo

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

It would indeed but count yourself lucky just living in sligo, imagine living in the sticks of donegal say and travelling then be a bigger problem.

then Donegal people move to sligo - simplez!
God the poor sods that have to travel from Donegal to Sligo general hospital for treatment, that must be a fair old sod of a journey

Andy From Sligo

theres still a lot of flights you cant get anyway out of knock these days anyway, so you still have to travel to Dublin airport or shannon

Kevin McCloud

I looked up ryanair there and its just luton and stanstead if one needs to go to london, might as well row a currach there.

Andy From Sligo

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

I looked up ryanair there and its just luton and stanstead if one needs to go to london, might as well row a currach there.

stanstead is in the back of beyond i flew there once from knock to get to luton because there was no direct flight to luton airport (they ceased knock to Luton flights at the time) and it was a nightmare getting from stanstead airport to Luton - mind u on the plus side standstead didnt charge a departure fee to leave it!

muddypaws

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

I looked up ryanair there and its just luton and stanstead if one needs to go to london, might as well row a currach there.

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

stanstead is in the back of beyond i flew there once from knock to get to luton because there was no direct flight to luton airport (they ceased knock to Luton flights at the time) and it was a nightmare getting from stanstead airport to Luton - mind u on the plus side standstead didnt charge a departure fee to leave it!

To be fair, getting into London from Stansted is very easy, the train is quick and not too dear if you book in advance. Its no more difficult to get from Stansted to central London than it is from Heathrow, Gatwick, or Luton.

Not sure why it was a nightmare to get to Luton, Stansted Express to Tottenham Hale, 4 stops on the Victoria line to St Pancras, and train up to Luton, really simple journey

UsBus

The Cunning Linguist wrote: »

I know they do this in Blackpool, in the UK too. Wonder what'd happen if you said you didn't have it? Would you be like Tom Hanks in that film..

They'd tell you to f off and they'd be right....
€10 to keep an internationally connected airport functioning even throughout a distastrous recession and the amount of whingers banging on about a measly tenner....amazes and infuriates me the amount of times this comes up. If you can't afford the tenner maybe you shouldn't be anywhere near an airport..

rainbowtrout

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

stanstead is in the back of beyond i flew there once from knock to get to luton because there was no direct flight to luton airport (they ceased knock to Luton flights at the time) and it was a nightmare getting from stanstead airport to Luton - mind u on the plus side standstead didnt charge a departure fee to leave it!

There are buses from Stanstead Airport direct to Luton.

mickdw

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

stanstead is in the back of beyond i flew there once from knock to get to luton because there was no direct flight to luton airport (they ceased knock to Luton flights at the time) and it was a nightmare getting from stanstead airport to Luton - mind u on the plus side standstead didnt charge a departure fee to leave it!

So even when the only flight option from knock was to an airport many miles from where you wanted to go and with poor connecting public transport, you still chose to fly from knock instead of anywhere else. It really must have something going for it.

AngryHippie

AngryHippie wrote: »

FYI
http://ec.europa.eu/ireland/the_eu_and_you/faq/air_travel/index_en.htm

Anybody addressed this yet ?
Or even mentioned it ?

Breach of EU law anyone ?

Fred Swanson

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Andy From Sligo

muddypaws wrote: »

...Not sure why it was a nightmare to get to Luton, Stansted Express to Tottenham Hale, 4 stops on the Victoria line to St Pancras, and train up to Luton, really simple journey

ah right you think that all those interchanges is easy with luggage? - and not long winded? ... and quick? - er OK if u say so.... but have you done it personally?

Kevin McCloud

Dont you have to get another bus to luton after getting the train so that is another change.

Andy From Sligo

rainbowtrout wrote: »

There are buses from Stanstead Airport direct to Luton.

when i got off plane the next bus to Luton was at least 45 minutes away, I didnt feel like hanging around that time in Stanstead airport so I (foolishly) took the train way which ended up being long winded and time consuming....

Kevin McCloud

Does knock have flights to heathrow?

signostic

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

Does knock have flights to heathrow?

No..never had

Fred Swanson

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Kevin McCloud

signostic wrote: »

No..never had

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Gatwick?

AngryHippie

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Is it that hard to have it included in the ticket prices as per EU regulations ?

Surely they don't have that vast a volume of traffic that they cannot set up a credit facility to cover a 30 day trading term remittance with the airlines servicing the airport?

It's not rocket science, and strictly speaking they are operating outside the law (only for Ryanair flights AFICS) but if it feels like a shakedown to passengers then surely it is in the best interests of the airport to sort their sh!t out ?

If the airport is trading that close to being closed down that they are relying on tenners from outbound passengers, then it is only a matter of time before they are in the stink in any case.

Andy From Sligo

mickdw wrote: »

So even when the only flight option from knock was to an airport many miles from where you wanted to go and with poor connecting public transport, you still chose to fly from knock instead of anywhere else. It really must have something going for it.

had no choice at that time it was the nearest airport for me and I wanted to get to UK as quick as possible without having to go to dublin, so yeah I suppose you can say it was convenient that time, unfortunately at that time there was a hiatus and Ryanair (or knock) werent dong the knock to Luton flights at that time so I had to go Knock to Stanstead... thinking it would be easy and quick to get to Luton from stanstead, but I found out I was wrong! ... - but I have done the Dublin to Luton airport trip before, it was OK, I went to dublin on the train so i didnt have to endure the toll road or the Dublin Airport car park

signostic

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

Gatwick?

yes , Aer Lingus

Kevin McCloud

signostic wrote: »

yes , Aer Lingus

How much would be the cheapest flight?

signostic

Kevin McCloud wrote: »

How much would be the cheapest flight?

>>>> aerlingus.ie
Aer Lingus fares do tend to be higher than Ryanair but their fairs model tends to be same as Ryanair, seats get dearer as the plane fills up and the flight get closer to the depart date..

You can get flights for 30 quid (excluding knock fee). Train from Gatwick takes 30 mins to get to Victoria.

ScumLord

AngryHippie wrote: »

Anybody addressed this yet ?
Or even mentioned it ?

Breach of EU law anyone ?

The first line says "Is the airline obliged to show the full price of the fare including taxes and charges when I am pricing flights with a view to travelling to an overseas destination?"

AngryHippie wrote: »

It's not rocket science, and strictly speaking they are operating outside the law (only for Ryanair flights AFICS)

How have you ended up at this twisted logic? Knock airport does not control Ryanair. If ryanair is operating outside of the law that's got nothing to do with knock airport.

It is the airlines obligation to tell you about the charge. What you're blaming them for is essentially like your neighbour coming in and saying he bought a lawnmower off your other neighbour that broke down and he 's blaming you for it.

Graham

ScumLord wrote: »

essentially like your neighbour coming in and saying he bought a lawnmower off your other neighbour that broke down and he 's blaming you for it.

Nothing at all like it unless Ireland West Airport has been sold to Ryanair.

AngryHippie

ScumLord wrote: »

The first line says "Is the airline obliged to show the full price of the fare including taxes and charges when I am pricing flights with a view to travelling to an overseas destination?"

How have you ended up at this twisted logic? Knock airport does not control Ryanair. If ryanair is operating outside of the law that's got nothing to do with knock airport.

It is the airlines obligation to tell you about the charge. What you're blaming them for is essentially like your neighbour coming in and saying he bought a lawnmower off your other neighbour that broke down and he 's blaming you for it.

Bit of a poor analogy

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2008:293:0003:0020:EN:PDF

1. Air fares and air rates available to the general public shall
include the applicable conditions when offered or published in
any form, including on the Internet, for air services from an
airport located in the territory of a Member State to which the
Treaty applies. The final price to be paid shall at all times be
indicated and shall include the applicable air fare or air rate as
well as all applicable taxes, and charges, surcharges and fees
which are unavoidable and foreseeable at the time of publication.

In addition to the indication of the final price, at least the
following shall be specified:
(a) air fare or air rate;
(b) taxes;
L 293/14 EN Official Journal of the European Union 31.10.2008
(c) airport charges; and
(d) other charges, surcharges or fees, such as those related to
security or fuel;
where the items listed under (b), (c) and (d) have been added to
the air fare or air rate. Optional price supplements shall be
communicated in a clear, transparent and unambiguous way at
the start of any booking process and their acceptance by the
customer shall be on an ‘opt-in’ basis.

2. Without prejudice to Article 16(1), access to air fares and air
rates for air services from an airport located in the territory of a
Member State to which the Treaty applies, available to the general
public shall be granted without any discrimination based on the
nationality or the place of residence of the customer or on the
place of establishment of the air carrier's agent or other ticket
seller within the Community.

As to whether it is Ryanairs duty to have a notice on departures from Knock, it quite possibly is, unless Knock Airport have deliberately refused to allow them to administer the charge and have put some clause about it being subject to change without notice etc. which may make the scale of the airport charge "unforeseeable".
The whole fcuking rigmarole would be avoided by just bundling the airport charge in with the fare like almost every other airport everywhere, and sorting out the refunds for invalids and helpers at the information desk(with the exception of the few noted) and get on with business.

Also , if the charge is only being applied to departing customers, then I think there exists a prejudice/discrimination against people trying to get out of West of Ireland Airport, no ?

The funniest part is:

Article 24
Penalties
Member States shall ensure compliance with the rules set out in
this Chapter and shall lay down penalties for infringements
thereof. Those penalties shall be effective, proportionate and
dissuasive.

The EU doesn't even need to get involved, nor would they, its up to our own gubberment, and as per usual they are too busy creating new inefficiencies to tackle the old ones.:rolleyes:

Andy From Sligo

as a test i implore people to cease paying the €10 development fee immediately and see if in fact the airport does close down or not ... I bet it wont - if we all stick together and refuse to pay it i reckon they will abolish the charge (or put it onto the airline ticket .. or the beer/food in the bar)

muddypaws

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

ah right you think that all those interchanges is easy with luggage? - and not long winded? ... and quick? - er OK if u say so.... but have you done it personally?

You really expect us to believe, from all of your posts on here that you flew with Ryanair and you had luggage?

Interchanges? You get on a train, you get off a train, down an escalator onto a tube, you get off the tube, up an escalator and onto a train. Tottenham Hale isn't exactly Picadilly Circus, not a difficult station to move around at all. If you made the right connections, it would take just over an hour.

I haven't done Stansted to Luton, but I have done Stansted to Salisbury, which is further, and has a change on the underground to get to Waterloo, instead of straight off the victoria line, its really not a difficult journey at all. I've also got the train from Salisbury into Waterloo, then up to St Pancras and a train to Luton, and then the airport bus to get a flight. I understand you have family in Luton, but if I was given the choice of flying to Luton or Stansted, it would be Stansted every time.

I've flown into and out of all the London airports (except the city airport), they're all about the same when it comes to getting into town, it all depends on where you want to go in London, or where your travelling onto.

shambles771

Just cus it is small and hassle free doesn't mean they get to charge you the tenner for the privilege..

When I flew from Helsinki international airport I was through check in and security in under five minutes in the middle of the day. and the car park was right next to the terminal. they didn't help themselves through my wallet so why should knock? More importantly, why isn't the government or local council paying for funding and development?

Xenji

Sure they have been charging it for years now, just seems part and parcel of the journey to pay it, no real reason to complain as it is a lovely airport with friendly staff, fly out 15-20 times a year from it and never had one issue and it is so handy when you live in the west.

ScumLord

AngryHippie wrote: »

Bit of a poor analogy

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2008:293:0003:0020:EN:PDF

that basically confirms what I've been saying.

As to whether it is Ryanairs duty to have a notice on departures from Knock, it quite possibly is,

It is, of course it is, because your buying your ticket of Ryanair so it's up to them to pass on the information. The only way Knock airport could actively give you the information is if they had a psychic link with you so they knew when you were going to buy a ticket. Then they could hack in Ryanairs website and plant a page warning you about the charge.


You're just determined beyond all reason to attack knock airport. I get you don't like the charge but it's there, most people don't mind and if you don't like it there are plenty of other airports in the country.

There's nothing illegal or unique about knocks charge, it's done in places all over the world where a small airports couldn't live on the breadcrumbs that budget airlines give like to pay out.

Graham

ScumLord wrote: »

There's nothing illegal or unique about knocks charge, it's done in places all over the world where a small airports couldn't live on the breadcrumbs that budget airlines give like to pay out.

It's probably just a coincidence that keeping this additional charge hidden works in Knocks favour.

Heaven forbid that the airport put pressure on the airlines to sell tickets in accordance with EU legislation. I guess that's what happens when you've got all of your eggs in a basket that belongs to someone else.