Sony Pictures Hack

buried

pixelburp wrote: »

Yes.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-sony-class-action-lawsuit-employees-20141215-story.html

It's probably Sony will try and settle outside of court, but I can imagine there'll be further ramifications that'll happen internally within Sony and outside of media reporting. God knows what's happen within the various unions linked with Sony's departments...

In all likelihood, yes, Sony probably did their best to minimise disruption and try to spin the situation to their advantage, but to suggest the whole thing is some PR windup is making some pretty imaginative leaps, the sort of fanciful conspiratorial thinking you'd sooner see in an actual Hollywood film.

So people suddenly want to see The Interview isn't anything to do with marketing, it's just normal human curiosity. Here's a thing a bunch of hackers didn't want us to see. Of course we want to see it.

Fair enough :rolleyes:

Realt Dearg Sec

buried wrote: »

What is the actual damage for her?

Are you serious? The whole world now knows her as a racist! People have real lives, reputations, real health records and real sense of privacy, they aren't just people who do jobs. The notion this is a publicity stunt is just moronic. If you can't see that, well, that didn't mean it's wrong...it means you are.

Frank O. Pinion

buried wrote: »

The only damage these companies have done is by investing huge amounts of money and signing contracts years ago into the likes of Seth Rogen and his absolute rubbish material such as 'Bad Neighbours' which did very poorly, because it was total rubbish.

Budget: $18 million.
Box Office: $268 million.

"Poorly"?

buried

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Are you serious? The whole world now knows her as a racist! People have real lives, reputations, real health records and real sense of privacy, they aren't just people who do jobs. The notion this is a publicity stunt is just moronic. If you can't see that, well, that didn't mean it's wrong...it means you are.

So the whole world knows a racist is one of the leading international head's of Sony, and this same corporation allows her to keep her job? You don't find that a bit odd? Are you serious?

buried

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

Budget: $18 million.
Box Office: $268 million.

"Poorly"?

Yeah. Poorly. It was total rubbish, did you see it? What did you think? I went to the cinema and paid 20 quid for the sh!tty experience, and vowed I'd never watch any of these Seth Rogen films again. I know full well I wasn't alone in this thinking either.

mightyreds

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

Budget: $18 million.
Box Office: $268 million.

"Poorly"?

Very poorly

GarIT

The interview is doing really well for itself, the highest rated movie ever on IMDB with a rating of 9.9/10

Sh1tbag OToole

GarIT wrote: »

The interview is doing really well for itself, the highest rated movie ever on IMDB with a rating of 9.9/10

I thought it was a mighty film meself, had a few good laughs.

braddun

Adam Sandler is crap

pixelburp

buried wrote: »

Fair enough :rolleyes:

Even boo-hiss corporations like Sony have HR departments ya know, I don't know about you, but my company's HR dept. doesn't tend to pass on its internal processes to the media, just to satisfy conspiracy theorists' lust for mystery and underhanded marketing shenanigans. All things being likely there's probably a sh*tstorm between departments right and Sony's likely to be a very crappy place to work at right now.

The burden of proof points to a major hacking of Sony, with a particular movie a sideshow to the real outcome in all this. If you want to believe there's more to it than that, despite common sense pointing away from some executive-level conspiracy for the sake of one middle-tier film, that's your prerogative, but the burden of proof is on you to prove it really.

buried

pixelburp wrote: »

Even boo-hiss corporations like Sony have HR departments ya know, I don't know about you, but my company's HR dept. doesn't tend to pass on its internal processes to the media, just to satisfy conspiracy theorists' lust for mystery and underhanded marketing shenanigans. All things being likely there's probably a sh*tstorm between departments right and Sony's likely to be a very crappy place to work at right now.

The burden of proof points to a major hacking of Sony, with a particular movie a sideshow to the real outcome in all this. If you want to believe there's more to it than that, despite common sense pointing away from some executive-level conspiracy for the sake of one middle-tier film, that's your prerogative, but the burden of proof is on you to prove it really.

I don't have to prove sh!t actually, I don't see any authority coming forward with actual evidence from Sony or the United States to prove this whole "cyber terrorist hacking scandal" came from anywhere but yet the majority of the world just accepts this "hack" came from North Korea because they say so. Where is that actual evidence? Until I see it, I'm going to question it.

TrustedApple

Just watched the interview there and its a extremely funny film i near wet myself at some parts of it as i am a huge fan of Seth Rogen in the 1st place as you might give out about him but he does make some great funny films. Neighbours and This is the end are also great films. But i would say if your not a fan of Seth Rogen and James Franco don't watch the film as you will hate it.

Like there is parts in witch when you see it you will clearly understand why NK will be pissed off about the film as it really takes the piss of everything NK but it also shows us to fell sorry for the poor people of NK when he is in charge fair play to them.

To me this is up there in my view with The grand budapest hotel as the funniest films i have seen in the past year.

TheDoc

Throughly enjoyed that. Not Rogens best work but was pretty damn funny. People getting way too precious over this.

Reading people thinking this was all a marketing ploy. Some people need their head examined...seriously. This was anything but...US departments were brought in to launch a criminal investigation and pinpointed the origin. Have to laugh at the tinfoil hat brigade.

I'm sure this film will get a bad rap from many...but like all films and especially comedies it's down to opinion and your interests. If you like Rogens other work you'll enjoy this, if you never cracked a smile at his stuff then best avoid it

buried

TheDoc wrote: »

Throughly enjoyed that. Not Rogens best work but was pretty damn funny. People getting way too precious over this.

Reading people thinking this was all a marketing ploy. Some people need their head examined...seriously. This was anything but...US departments were brought in to launch a criminal investigation and pinpointed the origin. Have to laugh at the tinfoil hat brigade.

I'm sure this film will get a bad rap from many...but like all films and especially comedies it's down to opinion and your interests. If you like Rogens other work you'll enjoy this, if you never cracked a smile at his stuff then best avoid it

Yeah, because US departments never, ever, generated lies condemning and blaming countries hostile to the US in order to generate huge profits for the multi-billion dollar corporations that lobby the same US authorities. :rolleyes:

Realt Dearg Sec

buried wrote: »

I don't have to prove sh!t actually, I don't see any authority coming forward with actual evidence from Sony or the United States to prove this whole "cyber terrorist hacking scandal" came from anywhere but yet the majority of the world just accepts this "hack" came from North Korea because they say so. Where is that actual evidence? Until I see it, I'm going to question it.

so you'll question that very logical, simply and elegantly explained reasoning for what happened, but your ludicrously unlikely, hilarious theory requires no scrutiny whatsoever because it satisfies...not sure what criteria exactly...

buried

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

so you'll question that very logical, simply and elegantly explained reasoning for what happened, but your ludicrously unlikely, hilarious theory requires no scrutiny whatsoever because it satisfies...not sure what criteria exactly...

Yes I will, because no actual evidence has been shown. And until I'm actually shown some I'm within my own right to question it. Provide me some actual evidence and I'll look at it, not some blame game.

buried

buried wrote: »

So the whole world knows a racist is one of the leading international head's of Sony, and this same corporation allows her to keep her job? You don't find that a bit odd? Are you serious?

No answer for this question I put to you Realt Dearg?

dreamers75

buried wrote: »

So the whole world knows a racist is one of the leading international head's of Sony, and this same corporation allows her to keep her job? You don't find that a bit odd? Are you serious?

You dont sack anyone during a period of bad PR, thats the outcome not something to be done during it.

Foolish to think it would happen now.

buried

dreamers75 wrote: »

You dont sack anyone during a period of bad PR, thats the outcome not something to be done during it.

Foolish to think it would happen now.

Exactly. Which was my original point, that there would be no serious repercussion from this being discovered anyways, some here felt that there would.
Why no repercussion? Because its total BS

SouthTippBass

Just watched the interview there, and not like its a big deal or anything but

Seth Rogan clearly has all his fingers back at the end of the movie

Just saying...

Realt Dearg Sec

buried wrote: »

So the whole world knows a racist is one of the leading international head's of Sony, and this same corporation allows her to keep her job? You don't find that a bit odd? Are you serious?

It just damages her, it didn't warrant firing. But if you want to believe that Sony fabricated hundreds of terabytes of damaging information raster than that they were hacked, when the explanation for your story is that they wanted to promote a movie (and utterly humiliate the company and drag the entire United states home security department and presidency into it to do so), while the other story is explained by a famously unhinged country persuing anyone considered to disrespect their regime, especially in the way this movie does...well then there's no real discussion is there? But no, no, you have the reasonable explanation, of course...everyone else is just being a sheep.

Realt Dearg Sec

buried wrote: »

Yes I will, because no actual evidence has been shown. And until I'm actually shown some I'm within my own right to question it. Provide me some actual evidence and I'll look at it, not some blame game.

And until any evidence is provided, you'll just cling to by far the least likely explanation. Well aren't you the sceptic?

buried

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

And until any evidence is provided, you'll just cling to by far the least likely explanation. Well aren't you the sceptic?

Yeah, just like you, except, you will just believe whatever you are told, which is totally fair enough too.

Anyone who thinks that this whole situation was fabricated so as to promote the Interview is an idiot. You do not go from 3000 theaters showing your film to 300 and call that a win of any kind.

S.M.B.

It was clearly orchestrated by Sony in cahoots with Google as a way of forcing the industry into the dual theatrical/VOD model with minimal friction from the the theatre owners.

I have no evidence to back up this ludicrous statement but I'm definitely right because any obvious explanation is total BS!!!!!!!!!

MagicMarker

I think it was also Sony that brought down the twin towers.

A Primal Nut

The film is a good laugh.

pixelburp

buried wrote: »

I don't have to prove sh!t actually, I don't see any authority coming forward with actual evidence from Sony or the United States to prove this whole "cyber terrorist hacking scandal" came from anywhere but yet the majority of the world just accepts this "hack" came from North Korea because they say so. Where is that actual evidence? Until I see it, I'm going to question it.

Actually, I don't myself believe the hack came from North Korea, at least not directly and if anything the origin is broadly immaterial, but I don't extend my suspicions to assume the terabytes of private information were part of some vaguely defined conspiracy - to achieve what must be the most prosaic, unimaginative of results - all in the name of paranoia because it involves a big scary corporation who are automatically the bad guys because, uhm, reasons?

Frankly, I think this whole debacle is better served by simply invoking Hanlon's razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Stupid people in Sony IT got found out by hackers, revealing very stupid people in executive level positions got too comfortable with their internal mail. Christ, I've worked at companies with 1000+ employees and usually most HR/IT departments are in a near state of constant panic over internal data being leaked. Multiply that paranoia by a factor of 50, remove a checks for competency and you have the Sony position.

I could claim Enda Kenny is a lizardman from Mars, despite all the evidence to the contrary, thus the burden of proof is on me to prove otherwise. An IMDB rating and some hot-topic curiosity on the internet isn't evidence, certainly not when taking into account the fact the movie has been effectively buried by every cinema chain in America.

buried

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone who thinks that this whole situation was fabricated so as to promote the Interview is an idiot. You do not go from 3000 theaters showing your film to 300 and call that a win of any kind.

Honest question to you to expect an honest answer - Would you have even bothered even noticing "The Interview" if it wasn't for this ridiculous hyped up story?

Realt Dearg Sec

buried wrote: »

Honest question to you to expect an honest answer - Would you have even bothered even noticing "The Interview" if it wasn't for this ridiculous hyped up story?

Obviously it's a bigger story now, that's not the issue. It's manifestly a smaller movie now than before though, they'll make significantly less money than projected. The idea that it was a publicity stunt DOESN'T MAKE A LICK OF SENSE!

S.M.B.

And it's not as if it's a movie made by first time film makers with no existing fan base to tap into.

The Interview was one of my most anticipated movies of the year based on my fondness for Rogen/Franco and how highly I rated their last attempt, This Is The End.

As it turns out, it was a bit of a let down but the argument that this was a movie that had no prebuilt audience and Sony needed to fabricate a worldwide scandal to sell a few extra tickets is just flat out wrong.

buried

buried wrote: »

Honest question to you to expect an honest answer - Would you have even bothered even noticing "The Interview" if it wasn't for this ridiculous hyped up story?

You assume that I'm interested in seeing it now? the Interview is not a film that I am in any rush to see. I'm sure I'll get to it eventually but I won't be going out of my way to watch it.

If you seriously think that Sony are behind the leak then you have no idea hiw a studio works. The Interview was due to open on over 3000 screens, it was sure to make hundreds of millions of dollars and now it opened on 300 screens and on VOD where it will make mobey but there's a real chance it won't turn a profit.

squeakyduck

I'm a bit late to the viewing party! I've just watched this and it's a bit ridic. Such a crazy publicity stunt to sell this crap....

I understand why DPRK would go crazy about this now.... (I wonder if they have managed to get it over there...somehow!) Imagine if someone made a big film about killing the queen or Obama and the downfall of the government....the world would go APESH*T

Seth never managed to take the ricin off his hand in the end....who did he kill.....NO ONE!

I really hate Rogan and Franco together....so annoying.

buried

Deleted User wrote: »

You assume that I'm interested in seeing it now? the Interview is not a film that I am in any rush to see. I'm sure I'll get to it eventually but I won't be going out of my way to watch it.

If you seriously think that Sony are behind the leak then you have no idea hiw a studio works. The Interview was due to open on over 3000 screens, it was sure to make hundreds of millions of dollars and now it opened on 300 screens and on VOD where it will make mobey but there's a real chance it won't turn a profit.

Well, who is behind it then? This hack is being blamed by our media, Sony and the FBI on North Korea, but where is the evidence? A bunch of international spotty teenagers have been identified as being the culprits for hacking and disrupting microsoft and sony online gaming consoles but at the same time nobody can be identified as the culprit/culprits for hacking sony pictures? Especially when the FBI claims the hacker's reside in a third world, dictatorial regime state with less than 1000 IP addresses?
I just cannot see the logic in the likes of North Korea proclaiming terrorist threats using internet hacking towards the United States because a studio made a film that shows their leader being murdered/killed. Didn't the 'South Park' movie from 14 years ago show the North Korean dictator being killed/murdered for comical effect? Where was the supposed outrage from state-sponsored North Korean "terrorists" back then? Nowhere, because this supposed outrage doesn't exist. What does exist is a Hollywood corporation pathetically trying to get their useless material and client promoted, which it has done.

Realt Dearg Sec

buried wrote: »

Well, who is behind it then? This hack is being blamed by our media, Sony and the FBI on North Korea, but where is the evidence? A bunch of international spotty teenagers have been identified as being the culprits for hacking and disrupting microsoft and sony online gaming consoles but at the same time nobody can be identified as the culprit/culprits for hacking sony pictures? Especially when the FBI claims the hacker's reside in a third world, dictatorial regime state with less than 1000 IP addresses?
I just cannot see the logic in the likes of North Korea proclaiming terrorist threats using internet hacking towards the United States because a studio made a film that shows their leader being murdered/killed. Didn't the 'South Park' movie from 14 years ago show the North Korean dictator being killed/murdered for comical effect? Where was the supposed outrage from state-sponsored North Korean "terrorists" back then? Nowhere, because this supposed outrage doesn't exist. What does exist is a Hollywood corporation pathetically trying to get their useless material and client promoted, which it has done.

So, for the god-knows-how-many-eth time, how does reducing the release from 3000 to 300 theatres benefit the studio? I mean, you've ignored this question enough that I presume you don't intend answering it, so I'm not sure why I'm still asking, but anyway...

buried

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

So, for the god-knows-how-many-eth time, how does reducing the release from 3000 to 300 theatres benefit the studio? I mean, you've ignored this question enough that I presume you don't intend answering it, so I'm not sure why I'm still asking, but anyway...

Because, I believe it is promoting, on a world-wide scale, Seth Rogen and his future 'Sony Pictures' films. Which it has done, spectacularly.
Now, if you can show me some actual evidence where North Korea and its $hitty infrastructure is to blame I'd like to see it

Realt Dearg Sec

buried wrote: »

Because, I believe it is promoting, on a world-wide scale, Seth Rogen and his future 'Sony Pictures' films. Which it has done, spectacularly.
Now, if you can show me some actual evidence where North Korea and its $hitty infrastructure is to blame I'd like to see it

But...you haven't shown any evidence for your bizarre theory at all. This will somehow promote Seth Rogen? That would justify this massive release of incredibly sensitive information as a publicity stunt? I mean, I don't think you're unhinged, I'm pretty sure you latched onto a conspiracy theory and now you're just too stubborn to give up on it. You can't honestly think that your theory is a likely one just because one other (far more likely) explanation might not be true? There are loads of likely explanations. You believe the stupidest one, by far.

EDIT: Just checked your posting history. Call this playing the man and not the ball, but I consider this conversation over.

buried

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

But...you haven't shown any evidence for your bizarre theory at all. This will somehow promote Seth Rogen? That would justify this massive release of incredibly sensitive information as a publicity stunt? I mean, I don't think you're unhinged, I'm pretty sure you latched onto a conspiracy theory and now you're just too stubborn to give up on it. You can't honestly think that your theory is a likely one just because one other (far more likely) explanation might not be true? There are loads of likely explanations. You believe the stupidest one, by far.

EDIT: Just checked your posting history. Call this playing the man and not the ball, but I consider this conversation over.

Believe what you want Realt Dearg. Like youself, until I can see some actual evidence and actual proof that the third world, deprived nation of North Korea was responsible for the first ever capitulation of the United States towards some ridiculous 'cyber-terrorism' demands, I'm going to deduce and question to whatever I like, until I am shown otherwise that is.

expectationlost

likely a former Sony employee of ten years called 'Lena' http://www.cbsnews.com/news/did-the-fbi-get-it-wrong-on-north-korea/

although im always scetical of this security companies who may be just trying to make a name for themselves, but the theory fits the first actions of the hackers

More skepticism arises on source of Sony cyberhack http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-skepticism-arises-on-source-of-sony-cyberhack/ politico reports multiple security experts doubt NK hacking http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/fbi-briefed-on-alternate-sony-hack-theory-113866.html

pixelburp

Interesting developments, though given the nature of American news it's equally possible the Ex-employee angle is also horse manure; it'd be pretty embarrassing if the FBI jumped the gun; either way I doubt an ex-employee'll do much to persuade those who believe the whole thing was a cunning, meticulous hoax to promote a single film

Thargor

buried wrote: »

Because, I believe it is promoting, on a world-wide scale, Seth Rogen and his future 'Sony Pictures' films. Which it has done, spectacularly.
Now, if you can show me some actual evidence where North Korea and its $hitty infrastructure is to blame I'd like to see it

Lol, so Sony released terrabytes of internal communications racially abusing the president of the US, insulting loads of their major stars, making their CEO look like a racist, millions upon millions in scripts and screenplays including the new Bond, God knows how many future ideas that are probably being picked over and rushed to production by rivals, all this and much more just to promote Seth Rogen? You cant actually be that thick can you?

By the way,it doesn't matter if North Korea are still struggling with Windows 95, their government is rich, a couple of million to any hacker group will get you what happened to Sony if the target is sloppy with their IT. Also it probably wasnt even North Korea if you listen to people who know about these things.

buried

expectationlost wrote: »

likely a former female employee of ten years called Lena http://www.cbsnews.com/news/did-the-fbi-get-it-wrong-on-north-korea/

although im always scetical of this security companies who may be just trying to make a name for themselves, but the theory fits the first actions of the hackers

More skepticism arises on source of Sony cyberhack http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-skepticism-arises-on-source-of-sony-cyberhack/

lol surprise surprise. Who'll get the blame next week? ISIS? Spectre? Although, in fairness this story is more convincing than the bogus claims made by the FBI last week. An actual former employee with detailed knowledge of Sony's huge data system could be the culprit, makes sense it was someone with that knowledge

buried

Thargor wrote: »

Lol, so Sony released terrabytes of internal communications racially abusing the president of the US, insulting loads of their major stars, making their CEO look like a racist, millions upon millions in scripts and screenplays including the new Bond, God knows how many future ideas that are probably being picked over and rushed to production by rivals, all this and much more just to promote Seth Rogen? You cant actually be that thick can you?

By the way,it doesn't matter if North Korea are still struggling with Windows 95, their government is rich, a couple of million to any hacker group will get you what happened to Sony if the target is sloppy with their IT. Also it probably wasnt even North Korea if you listen to people who know about these things.

Like who? The FBI? Because they told the world it was definitely North Korea, and the majority of people bought it, but that BS claim doesn't look too good today though does it?

Thargor

buried wrote: »

Like who? The FBI? Because they told the world it was definitely North Korea, and the majority of people bought it, but that BS claim doesn't look too good today though does it?

You're trying to move the goalposts because I think its begun to sink in how ridiculous your claims that it was Sony leaking their own data makes you sound and as someone already pointed out you're just too pigheaded to admit you're wrong.

It doesn't matter if it turns out it was Ant and Dec that did it, your claim is that Sony committed this massive fraud themselves, criminally violating the data protection laws protecting their employees plus all the terrorism stuff that followed, and the only reason you can offer up for this claim is that they did it to promote future unnamed Seth Rogen films. In short you are either a troll or an imbecile and not worth wasting any further time on.

buried wrote: »

Because, I believe it is promoting, on a world-wide scale, Seth Rogen and his future 'Sony Pictures' films. Which it has done, spectacularly.
Now, if you can show me some actual evidence where North Korea and its $hitty infrastructure is to blame I'd like to see it

buried

Thargor wrote: »

You're trying to move the goalposts because I think its begun to sink in how ridiculous your claims that it was Sony leaking their own data makes you sound and as someone already pointed out you're just too pigheaded to admit you're wrong.

It doesn't matter if it turns out it was Ant and Dec that did it, your claim is that Sony committed this massive fraud themselves, criminally violating the data protection laws protecting their employees plus all the terrorism stuff that followed, and the only reason you can offer up for this claim is that they did it to promote future unnamed Seth Rogen films. In short you are either a troll or an imbecile and not worth wasting any further time on.

Yeah it done Sony some serious damage alright, I threw my PS4 out the window and vowed never use any of their evil nazi products ever again once I heard the shocking revelations of passwords and stupid private messages. And now that I know the mysterious plot for the next Bond film, I wont bother my backside ever watching it, I mean, you never know whats going to happen in a James Bond film do you? But now those imaginary pesky cyber terrorists from North Korea have done gone ruined that too. Yeah 'Sony' is totally ruined after all this, it will never recover :rolleyes:

Thargor

Nobody is claiming that Sony is ruined, stop with the strawman arguments, you have spent the last few pages arguing this point:

buried wrote: »

So, these "terrorist" threats must not have been so scary as everyone thought? lol The irony about this whole stupid story is that while here in the west we rightly complain about a dictatorial regime brainwashing people in North Korea, its totally acceptable for a multi-billion dollar corporation like 'Sony' to do the exact same thing to people here in the west. And that's what this is. A huge marketing ploy by a company that wants to make more dollar money, and now it will. Look at it this way, why would North Korea want this film to be banned? Its perfect for their M.O Its good publicity for them. Its a perfect propaganda piece for this film to exist as it can literally show that the west/US views their country as a joke and that they want to assassinate their own leader. Generate more hatred towards the US. I don't buy any of this noise to be honest and I look forward to peoples reviews of this film as I wager that its going to be utter rubbish, hence the need for this ridiculous hyped up story of total BullSh!t

You're claiming that some people at Sony are prepared to go to prison over data protection breaches and terrorist threats for the purpose of promoting Seth Rogen, can you honestly not see how moronic this claim is?

buried

You did claim it damaged Sony, you said so right here

Thargor wrote: »

Lol, so Sony released terrabytes of internal communications racially abusing the president of the US, insulting loads of their major stars, making their CEO look like a racist, millions upon millions in scripts and screenplays including the new Bond, God knows how many future ideas that are probably being picked over and rushed to production by rivals, all this and much more just to promote Seth Rogen? You cant actually be that thick can you?

I find you are becoming extremely hostile towards me Thargor since this news has now broken that a former employee is now believed to be responsible for this 'cyber hack' and not North Korea, which was my point all along - That it was not North Korea. So calm down and leave the abuse such as 'thick' 'imbecile' and other hostility out of it please. I believe it is a marketing ploy, you don't, fair enough.

johnny_ultimate

OK everyone, please lay off the hostility.

Anybody who uses any more insulting terms, whether they're personalised or generally calling anyone who disagrees names, will receive a warning or infraction.

FloatingVoter

It was obviously His Omnipotence Kim Jong Little One who after his first basic computing lesson became so versed in hacking that he took down the Western Capitalist Bastardos. Then during a pizza-break he sowed seeds of discord in the before now pleasant meadows of boards.ie.