Harlequins v Leinster 7th Dec; 1515 - Live on BT Sport 2

UnitedWeStand

matthew8 wrote: »

Games lost less than half way through the season is a rubbish metric. In Schmidt's first year at this point we had 5 losses and one draw. Means nothing.

Most of those loses came in the first month. Schmidt then beat Munster through a dogged display. We then went over to Saracens in Wembley and played some superb counter attacking rugby, alongside putting in one of our finest ever defensive efforts. The rest was history after that.

UnitedWeStand

Hagz wrote: »

It was obvious where we were going under Schmidt because he inherited a team that was going places before he arrived. We had all the ingredients of a top class team.

Where can we go at the moment? Not under MOC but under anyone? What is it people are looking for?

Are people looking for more potency and accuracy in attack? Well then we are going to have to wait. We simply have to wait until the injuries settle. You cannot expect a back-line to run smoothly and accurately when there's no allowance for settled combinations.
Today was only the 3rd time Madigan and D'Arcy have started alongside each other this season, the last time being against Castres.

Well now, MOC has inherited a team that has a ridiculously good winning mentality after the JS era, and had just lost their HC but won the Amlin at the same time (a competition they were only in due to an injury crisis worse than we have now) and would be wanting to get their crown back. The players were there as was the attitude to do more.

Hagz

UnitedWeStand wrote: »

Well now, MOC has inherited a team that has a ridiculously good winning mentality after the JS era, and had just lost their HC but won the Amlin at the same time (a competition they were only in due to an injury crisis worse than we have now) and would be wanting to get their crown back. The players were there as was the attitude to do more.

1) He inherited a team that had a ridiculously good winning mentality after the JS era, but he didn't inherit all of them. As I've said, he didn't inherit the most influential player of the 'winning' era - Jonathan Sexton. He didn't inherit Isa Nacewa. And so far he has yet to really inherit O'Brien. I mean who has been more influential to Leinster's success in '11/'12 than those three players right there? And to top it all off, the captain of the 'JS era' royally capitulated in his last season. And lets not forget that O'Driscoll was struggling to finish matches last season.

2) I whole-heartedly disagree that the injury crisis in JS last season was worse than it has been so far this season.

In fact, looking at the XVs we were putting out in the pool stages of the Heineken Cup, they look a lot better than what we have been capable of putting out this season.

Noopti

I wasn't able to watch the game, but was sort of listening on the radio. From what I (sort of heard)

- Gopperth improved a lot
- Fitzgerald seemed to go well
- Ross was having a very tough time
- Still too many aimless kicking

I still think Furlong deserves a start. He has always shown a great impact when he has come on, and I think starting him with Ross on the bench would be very insightful this weekend.

Swiwi.

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Gopperth not good enough.

Lord Trollington wrote: »

And bring Gopperth on the plane with him.

...leaving the land of a thousand welcomes...to return to the land of the long white cloud...

Jaggo

Hagz wrote: »

1) He inherited a team that had a ridiculously good winning mentality after the JS era, but he didn't inherit all of them. As I've said, he didn't inherit the most influential player of the 'winning' era - Jonathan Sexton. He didn't inherit Isa Nacewa.

I don't think this is a terribly good excuse. Matt never had these players, he did not have to rip up any play book when they went. The back play we have seen is Matt's design with the resources he has.

It's a style of rugby best suited to the radio. After 16 years of attending Leinster games i think I will just go to the 'A' games now.

former legend

Swiwi. wrote: »

...leaving the land of a thousand welcomes...to return to the land of the long white cloud...

Poor Jimmy. I hope he gets a good contract in England next season and I don't think he'll be leaving with fond memories of the Leinster fans.

vienne86

What did people think of Fanning yesterday? He certainly worked hard, but himself and Kearney obviously hadn't figured things out between them. I felt he was a bit out of his depth at times - it was a bit step up for him.

Crimsonforce

Crimsonforce wrote: »

I have to say I was disgusted by the dribble coming from the co commentators mouths on btsport. There " banter " was appaling, thinking they were down the pub,slagging each other off.

Terrible one sided commentary. At one stage he said mike Ross was manbeasted by marler in the scrum when clearly marler was boaring in..

I had to switch off there commentary I was so put off by it. As much as people give out about sky rugby, it is miles ahead of this btsport ****e

Even right down to the language used on screen. It said "Slotted 3 out 4 kicks" for kicking stats which sounds like your mate down the pub rather than using, you know, language that a professional broadcaster should use. Maybe that is nitpicking but it does clearly show the approach they are going for.

vienne86

Deleted User wrote: »

Even right down to the language used on screen. It said "Slotted 3 out 4 kicks" for kicking stats which sounds like your mate down the pub rather than using, you know, language that a professional broadcaster should use. Maybe that is nitpicking but it does clearly show the approach they are going for.

I forked out €99 for a twelve month subscription for that nonsense. What I do to support my team.......!

dregin

vienne86 wrote: »

What did people think of Fanning yesterday? He certainly worked hard, but himself and Kearney obviously hadn't figured things out between them. I felt he was a bit out of his depth at times - it was a bit step up for him.

I really don't think Kearney trusts him at all.

Brewster

I think D'Arcy gave another poor performance. He was the subject of much debate around the recent autumn series, for me, he doesn't do it anymore. Whether Madigan at 12 and Fitz at 13 is worth a shot?

molloyjh

Hagz wrote: »

Well this is where I have disagreed with most others on here. I think we performed to expectations last season. In Schmidt's last season we saw what a difference certain players made and it was clear to me that we were heading for a period of decline. Loss of world class talent, leadership and ambition. I think the coasting wins in the Amlin hid some of the stains under the carpet and I don't think people lowered their expectations accordingly. We played the majority of the season without O'Brien and Strauss, and with a completely new 10 at the helm, and we still collected the Pro12. And were it not for an intercept pass in the Aviva, we would have had a good chance at being in the HC Semis.

I wholeheartedly agree that the issues are not 100% at the feet of the coaches. We have had a number of issues with our personnel since MOC took over and this season our injury crisis is definitely worse than it was 2 years ago. I've spoken before about our issues in the midfield in particular. A lack of consistency in selection was a huge issue 2 years ago and is an issue now again, but unlike 2 years ago we aren't getting a reprieve on the injury situation just yet. Another thing that has to be pointed out is that individual errors cannot be ignored. Rob yesterday, regardless of the reasons why, made numerous mistakes that cost us. On a couple of occasions we gave away silly penalties and the fault for these is with the guys on the pitch.

I started questioning MOC in October last year. In November last year I made my position quite clear. I was giving him until Christmas this year before making a call. By that time, I reasoned, he had a year and a half with Leinster and we should be seeing where we are going under him and we should have a fairly settled game plan and style. I've stuck by that despite some ups and downs along the way. I've mentioned this season that I'm struggling to figure out whether it is fair to judge the guy after Christmas given the injury crisis. And then the Treviso game happened and I've been struggling since then to not judge him.

I wasn't as annoyed at our performance against Ospreys as some and there were definite positives yesterday. I thought our pack performed really well outside the set piece and we built phases better than we had been of late. However outside of a few individual moments we also couldn't find a way to break Quins down. That was always going to be difficult with our 2 big ball carriers missing and our issues in midfield. But some of our basics were very poor too. Look back at the intercept for the accuracy and speed of the passing in that final phase. Now I can understand and accept that some of these things will happen with a weakened squad and relatively unfamiliar combinations. However poor basics and a blunt attacking game have been staples of Leinster under MOC. How many times last season did we lament our inaccuracy? How many times did we scrape results and not really know how?

Take for example the Zebre game in March. We got the TBP and nilled them. Sure that's a great result right? Well we couldn't have gotten a better end result in many ways. Yet the end result doesn't tell the full story. We got the 4th try in injury time and came away from the RDS a little unsure how we managed it in the end we were so poor. How about the win against Edinburgh in May that saw us top the table? Exactly what we wanted wasn't it? Again the end result doesn't tell the story. Edinburgh were hit with injuries. They had been thumped by Munster in Murrayfield the week before 15-55. We had close to a full strength side out and were behind at half time, eventually scraping a win by only 2 points in what was, as the Leinster write-up put it, an "error-strewn encounter" that Leinster "will want to forget".

The number of games we can point to that saw us perform poorly over the last 15-16 months is quite high, regardless of the end result in the games themselves. Glasgow and Munster in the early parts of both seasons. Connacht in the early parts of both seasons (in October last year in the RDS we went ahead for the first time at the death when they had 2 men in the bin). Both Edinburgh games last season. The Ospreys away match in April that we should have won but threw away. There's a huge difference between not being as good as we were when we had a better squad and being poor. Outside of 3 or 4 really good performances in the last 15-16 months the best we've been able to manage is average. And too often we've been downright poor. With the squad we have we should be delivering consistently above average performances. How far above average is a matter for debate, and I suspect that's where you and I are probably close to agreement. I wouldn't expect us to be way above average at all given our current squad. But that we haven't been able to consistently deliver above average performances is a massive worry.

I honestly believe we scraped a lot of results last season based on talented individuals and a winning mentality. And I think that winning mentality is a fragile and fickle thing. I said at the start of the season that my big concern was going to be that we didn't build on the final against Glasgow and ended up reverting to our overall form from last season. And if we did that we'd lose a game here and a game there that we would have won last season. And then the winning mentality would be gone and without good performances to back all that up we'd be in a bad place. Injuries have hit us hard and made all of that incredibly difficult for us, but I think we started seeing the cracks in the Connacht game in September. That's a game I truly believe we would have won last season. And we can't rely on an injury crisis to explain that game away. Treviso, despite the absentees, is a game we should have won and would have won last season. I also believe that the Quins game yesterday is another where we'd have found a way. Even considering the players we were missing.

So where does that leave us? Is it really fair to start looking for MOCs contract to be terminated at the end of this season when there's only so much he could have done so far this season? Honestly, I don't know. Probably not. Would Leinster be better served getting a fresh start, a new perspective given everything we've seen in the last 15-16 months? I'm very much leaning towards a yes on that one right now. I'm trying to remain on the fence as best I can until we see out the next 4 weeks, but sometimes the best thing for a group is a fresh start. Does that mean that the coach has done a bad job overall and cannot take us forward? Not necessarily. But unless we can say for sure that things will improve under his reign sometimes it's best to take a proactive approach and make a clean cut. Do we want to run the risk on a guy who has 2 seasons with us under his belt but hasn't delivered consistent performances on a hope? Is there even a "right" answer to that question?

molloyjh

former legend wrote: »

Poor Jimmy. I hope he gets a good contract in England next season and I don't think he'll be leaving with fond memories of the Leinster fans.

I actually want to make a point of shaking the guys hand and thanking him for everything towards the end of the season. It's downright embarrassing the way some of the "faithful" have carried on when it comes to him.

former legend

vienne86 wrote: »

What did people think of Fanning yesterday? He certainly worked hard, but himself and Kearney obviously hadn't figured things out between them. I felt he was a bit out of his depth at times - it was a bit step up for him.

I'm not blaming Fanning at all for that tbh, it just looked like two guys with practically zero experience of playing or training together and accordingly had no understanding of what the other was planning to do.

In the first half, Kearney was attacking down the right wing; he played a little pop pass expecting Fanning to cut inside, but Fanning held his line to go outside and we lost possession. Kearney went ballistic at Fanning which was out of order I thought.

Fanning did exactly what I expected of him tbh, no errors, worked his socks off, took the ball into contact well and defended strongly. If someone watching had no prior knowledge of any of the Leinster team, I don't think they'd pick Fanning out as being below the level of the rest.

The closest we came to a try (Kearney's intercept) all came from a kick downfield that Fanning busted a gut to collect and recycle. Likewise early in the first half, Reddan hoofed it long, first Leinster guy on the scene was Fanning, he made the tackle to get us into great position, then the cavalry arrived, got overexcited and gave away a stupid penalty.

molloyjh

former legend wrote: »

I'm not blaming Fanning at all for that tbh, it just looked like two guys with practically zero experience of playing or training together and accordingly had no understanding of what the other was planning to do.

In the first half, Kearney was attacking down the right wing; he played a little pop pass expecting Fanning to cut inside, but Fanning held his line to go outside and we lost possession. Kearney went ballistic at Fanning which was out of order I thought.

Fanning did exactly what I expected of him tbh, no errors, worked his socks off, took the ball into contact well and defended strongly. If someone watching had no prior knowledge of any of the Leinster team, I don't think they'd pick Fanning out as being below the level of the rest.

The closest we came to a try (Kearney's intercept) all came from a kick downfield that Fanning busted a gut to collect and recycle. Likewise early in the first half, Reddan hoofed it long, first Leinster guy on the scene was Fanning, he made the tackle to get us into great position, then the cavalry arrived, got overexcited and gave away a stupid penalty.

100% agree with all of this. Kearneys reaction to Fanning not cutting inside was disappointing from a guy who would be considered one of the leaders in the group.

Zzippy

molloyjh wrote: »

100% agree with all of this. Kearneys reaction to Fanning not cutting inside was disappointing from a guy who would be considered one of the leaders in the group.

TBH from what I've heard from various people who have met him, that attitude from RK doesn't surprise me at all. Fanning certainly wasn't the worst Leinster player on display yesterday, by a long shot. RK should take a long look in the mirror before he vents at anyone else...

I haven't been a fan of Gopperth really but he wasn't the issue yesterday. Leinster as a team haven't a clue what they are doing anymore. There's no cohesion, there's no plan in attack, no creation of space. I don't think we spent any meaningful time in the Quins 22. One of the most impotent Leinster preformances in Europe for years.

Hagz

former legend wrote: »

In the first half, Kearney was attacking down the right wing; he played a little pop pass expecting Fanning to cut inside, but Fanning held his line to go outside and we lost possession. Kearney went ballistic at Fanning which was out of order I thought.

I thought it was proper order to be honest. I'm still utterly dumbfounded that he didn't cut inside. It's basic wing play. He was going nowhere but into touch if he received the ball on the outside of Kearney.

And I was quite pleased to see Kearney's reaction. You'd see the same thing from Sexton or O'Driscoll. Fanning isn't a young kid who needs Kearney to mentor him on the pitch, he should know better.

GBXI

Zzippy wrote: »

TBH from what I've heard from various people who have met him, that attitude from RK doesn't surprise me at all. Fanning certainly wasn't the worst Leinster player on display yesterday, by a long shot. RK should take a long look in the mirror before he vents at anyone else...

Was watching the Leinster game yesterday and I thought Kearney was very poor overall. The pass for the intercept try (crucial score at a time when Leinster were well on top) was scandalous for a player of his supposed ability. He also has too other daft passes that didn't work out.

I know he's a very good full back overall but I can't help thinking he's very over-rated with ball in hand. Under a high ball he is nearly imperious, but he's not a particularly good passer and he has no step whatsoever.

BoardsMember

I thought we played ok, we certainly weren't terrible. I didn't think that it was a guaranteed win, and we could/should have won, and they played as well as they can in reality, so a losing BP is not the end of the world. Especially with D'Arcy at 13, Fanning on the wing, no SOB/Healy up front.

We made some mistakes at critical times which let them off the pressure we had them under, or which allowed them to score. There was not a lot between the teams, they played better than they have been doing, but so did we. I'm not sure that we don't have a clue what we're doing, I think we're playing with a lack of confidence more than a lack of conviction. We'll be better next week and I'd be confident of a win.

former legend

molloyjh wrote: »

I actually want to make a point of shaking the guys hand and thanking him for everything towards the end of the season. It's downright embarrassing the way some of the "faithful" have carried on when it comes to him.

Read the first line of this "article" from the worst sports website in Ireland:
http://www.thescore.ie/jimmy-gopperth-leinster-2-1805319-Nov2014/

Vilified? The worst thing is, they're not far wrong.

The problem is that the criticism of Gopperth is based on:
1. He's a foreigner
2. He's keeping an Irish guy "out of the team" (Ian Madigan; 9 starts out of a possible 12)
3. He's not Jonny Sexton.
4. He's indelibly associated with O'Connor, despite being signed by Schmidt.

None of these are things he can do anything about but that doesn't stop people sticking the boot in.

I got a laugh yesterday when the graphic flashed up on screen that he leads the Pro12 in clean breaks. Reading boards, you'd think he was a sh*t version of ROG who just kicks and kicks. So many times he breaks the gain line and looks for a support runner who isn't there; maybe that's the coach's fault, maybe the players, but not Gopperth's.

However bad things are or have been, we'd be totally f**ked without him.

jacothelad

awec wrote: »

Never mind out of depth, Cullen should never have went straight from Leinster player to Leinster first team coach.

How can he possibly have the required respect from players who were his peers just last season. Effectively his mates.

Should have gone somewhere else for a few years or coached the underage sides at Leinster for a while.

Cullen was a fantastic influence on the field and while I am in a small minority, I feel He should have had many more caps at the expense of DOc who got a lot of free passes over the years. However, having seen jobs for the boys... , internal 'appointments' over the last 10 years at Ulster.......such as McCall, McLaughlin, Jonny Bell, Neil Doak, Alan Clarke, Gary Longwell, Niall Malone etc and how they have delivered little or nothing, I feel that a coach should have earned his job by his success elsewhere.

ROG is earning his spurs in France. Ditto Jackman, Buzz Lightyear and a few others. McCall has shown what he can do with experience. He was clearly a good coach in the making, winning the league but he was too close to the players who were his friends and contemporaries. One or two of them fecked him over. A small group of cretinous fans made his stay intolerable. Mclaughlin had a good pedigree as a coach and is superb in some regards but he proved to me repeatedly that he was not a head coach simply by his insane selections. We used to joke about his Ouija Board of Selection and his use of chicken entrails but it was actually a serious issue. e.g. See his treatment of iHumph in 2012. Parachuting Jackson in ahead of him was just nonsense and exposed young Jacko to a level for which he was unready.

There are very few players who can make the immediate transition to successful coach. Sides like Leinster and Ulster can't afford the luxury of chucking mates straight into the firing line with only their playing history as experience. I have no doubt that Cullen will make the grade and very soon. He is that kind of guy...a charismatic leader, unlike - say - Doak or Clarke who certainly have skills but are both - in the words of the great Ronnie Barker in 'Porridge'....." Charmless Nerks."

Swiwi.

molloyjh wrote: »

I actually want to make a point of shaking the guys hand and thanking him for everything towards the end of the season. It's downright embarrassing the way some of the "faithful" have carried on when it comes to him.

The other thing too is this: you're a SXV player in NZ, not going to make the ABs, decide to look to the NH and figure Ireland might not be a bad bet. Your first thoughts are Leinster, proud record and all that. But then you glance to the West and see Lam, Muliaina, Aki etc, all valued by the Connacht fans. Just happens you know someone who knows Jimmy G...is he going to sell you Leinster?

It might be completely fanciful, but players do talk to each other.

I just don't know what he's done to invite such bile and invective from a fairly decent crop of Leinster fans: yes, he's a middling flyhalf in the grand scheme of things, but I don't recall him doing or saying anything that should invite such hostility. When he plays poorly, fair enough he needs to take criticism on the chin, but when he plays well he should get a bit of credit too.

If people had their wish, and Jimmy & Matt packed their packs and left tomorrow, I dunno, I doubt we'd see an instant return of champagne rugby and winning ways.

I'm more bemused than anything.

TheGoldenAges

I'd be more worried from yesterday in our lack of try scoring threat which similar to the Castres game was non-existent.

Swiwi I think is correct on Gopperth, he's a convenient scapegoat here.

On MOC though, it might not be an instant return to champagne rugby, but my issue is I don't think MOC has Leinster even close to preforming as the sum of their parts. Ireland didn't play champagne rugby is the Autumn but it was damn effective. Schmidt had the team playing intelligent rugby where everyone knows their job. That's competely absent with Leinster imo.

CatFromHue

Hagz wrote: »

I thought it was proper order to be honest. I'm still utterly dumbfounded that he didn't cut inside. It's basic wing play. He was going nowhere but into touch if he received the ball on the outside of Kearney.

And I was quite pleased to see Kearney's reaction. You'd see the same thing from Sexton or O'Driscoll. Fanning isn't a young kid who needs Kearney to mentor him on the pitch, he should know better.

It was a better option for Kearney to fix his man and then pass it, the space was on the outside.

If the move had worked out like Kearney wanted Fanning would have just taken a crash ball into traffic.

If the move had worked out like Fanning wanted he would have gotten a bit of a run.

Remember it was actually Kearney who hit/tackled Fanning first, not a Quins player.

Clegg

Schmidt is quite possibly the best coach on the planet so I'm not expecting Leinster to look quite as resourceful under MoC. Its clear that MoC wants his teams to play on the gainline and win the collisions. Problem is that with Healy and SoB missing he doesn't have the players to implement that style, but he hasn't tried to change tack. Yesterday there was an instance where we had the ball for over 15 phases and made about 5 metres. No variation, just truck it up and keep trucking it up until something happens. It's just not good enough.

molloyjh

So do we get a #JusticeForJimmy campaign going now? I'll have to split my time between that and my #JusticeForLukeMcGrath, but it's doable...

ArmchairQB

former legend wrote: »

I'm not blaming Fanning at all for that tbh, it just looked like two guys with practically zero experience of playing or training together and accordingly had no understanding of what the other was planning to do.

In the first half, Kearney was attacking down the right wing; he played a little pop pass expecting Fanning to cut inside, but Fanning held his line to go outside and we lost possession. Kearney went ballistic at Fanning which was out of order I thought.

Fanning did exactly what I expected of him tbh, no errors, worked his socks off, took the ball into contact well and defended strongly. If someone watching had no prior knowledge of any of the Leinster team, I don't think they'd pick Fanning out as being below the level of the rest.

The closest we came to a try (Kearney's intercept) all came from a kick downfield that Fanning busted a gut to collect and recycle. Likewise early in the first half, Reddan hoofed it long, first Leinster guy on the scene was Fanning, he made the tackle to get us into great position, then the cavalry arrived, got overexcited and gave away a stupid penalty.

Fanning played well Kearney with his no look passing didn't help Fanning much. Would have expected more from a very senior player

.ak

Zzippy wrote: »

TBH from what I've heard from various people who have met him, that attitude from RK doesn't surprise me at all. Fanning certainly wasn't the worst Leinster player on display yesterday, by a long shot. RK should take a long look in the mirror before he vents at anyone else...

Nah, as a bit of a n00b on the wing myself I absolutely want my FB to be bollicking me if I'm not doing things right. Okay everyone has a different way of dealing with things but he didn't make the same mistake again in the 2nd half and cut back in off RK so it worked.

BoardsMember

Clegg wrote: »

Its clear that MoC wants his teams to play on the gainline and win the collisions.

Did we not lie really really deep after a few line breaks yesterday though? I remember one where we were lined out to the right hand side, big line break up the left side, and Gopperth and the rest of the backline were miles back, rather than demanding the ball on the gainline

.ak

molloyjh wrote: »

So do we get a #JusticeForJimmy campaign going now? I'll have to split my time between that and my #JusticeForLukeMcGrath, but it's doable...

Splitter.

.ak

ArmchairQB wrote: »

Fanning played well Kearney with his no look passing didn't help Fanning much. Would have expected more from a very senior player

It's pretty basic wing stuff. If someone is running diagonal across the pitch they're eating your space, he hardly expected Fanning to take the ball and run into touch. The no look pass is a basic skill at this level, especially when fixing a defender.

It's the kind of thing Leinster would do in their sleep even before Schmidt or Cheika. It's basic skill at junior level even.

For me that's what will separate Fanning from the top players. Yes, I think he played well actually, was very physical, actually clawed us back into the game at times too as FL pointed out, but he doesn't have that ability to slow things down when things get tight and quick. Timing is probably his biggest weakness, and as a back three player it's so important.

Thing is, he was probably our most competent back three player. Kearney tried as much as he could to step up but it wasn't a great game for him. I think COS made a point of nullifying his attacking threat. Luke looked like he was just coming back from injury... which he was... Had he played last week I reckon he'd have looked far better. For one kick chase he only ran 80% speed so he obviously still has issues. Was quite hesitant in contact which is usually a strong point too. He'll be far better next week.

Kirchner came on and really didn't kick on at all, I was hoping he'd add a bit of spice there. He would've been through for that try if it wasn't intercepted, and I think that would've lifted him a bit and who knows what, but for the most part he was a bit dull.

For me our pack were our stars. Ruddock, Heaslip and Murphy were immense, our locks were monsterish and Jack McGrath is becoming a real star. Conan came on and only added to that. Thought Furlong had a decent outing at scrum time too.

Clegg

BoardsMember wrote: »

Did we not lie really really deep after a few line breaks yesterday though? I remember one where we were lined out to the right hand side, big line break up the left side, and Gopperth and the rest of the backline were miles back, rather than demanding the ball on the gainline

We did. But it doesn't take away from the pattern of an entire season. There was definite variation in the way we played which was a welcome change but its the fact that we've seen so little in the way of attacking structure that disappoints me. He's not the right fit for Leinster.

In this instance I'm not really talking about the backs though. It's the forwards job to win on the gainline, but you have to set them out with more than one way to do that. We aren't and it's frustrating to watch.