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annapr

spaceylou wrote: »

I think we should call this condition/injury the 'BG Flabby Abs Syndrome' from now on. Whatever the current commonly used name is, can't be as good as that!

FlAbs for short?

annapr

...and at the risk of sounding sceptical/setting off a debate... are osteopaths even a real thing? with any medical credibility?

spaceylou

annapr wrote: »

...and at the risk of sounding sceptical/setting off a debate... are osteopaths even a real thing? with any medical credibility?

From this is would seem....kinda: http://www.iiptcork.com/osteopathy/ but as I have never been to one and am incredibly skeptical perhaps BG will fill us in a bit more when she gets a chance.

In saying that, physios are definitely a real thing and you still might need to shop around, so to speak, to find the right one for you.

Bungy Girl

Firedance wrote: »

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

presume you're still not racing in the mudfest on Sunday though? hopefully he/google is right

Not sure yet FD, going for a test run tomorrow and I may just run it at a comfortable pace. Otherwise I'll be there anyway cheering.

annapr wrote: »

...and at the risk of sounding sceptical/setting off a debate... are osteopaths even a real thing? with any medical credibility?

Lol, I don't think he's a figment of my imagination ...:D

I guess I would have been sceptical initially but this guy came highly recommended and fixed a very old (i.e. childhood) joint injury as well as a more recent one that had not responded to other treatments. If he turns about to be right about this current issue then he'll have succeeded where a string of physios, physical therapists, GPs, and various specialists from the Sports Surgery Clinic have failed. I think osteopathy is more widespread in the U.K. and they train as primary care practitioners so would have a lot of medical knowledge.

spaceylou wrote: »

From this is would seem....kinda: http://www.iiptcork.com/osteopathy/ but as I have never been to one and am incredibly skeptical perhaps BG will fill us in a bit more when she gets a chance.

In saying that, physios are definitely a real thing and you still might need to shop around, so to speak, to find the right one for you.

I agree that it can be more about the person treating you than their actual specialty be it physiotherapy, physical therapy, osteopathy or whatever. I find a combination of physical therapy and osteopathy works for me but it's more that I trust both of the practitioners I see and doubt I'd be running injury free (most of the time :rolleyes:) without them.

laura_ac3

I think you're right to work on trust. A blanket approach of one group is better than others I don't think is usually the best approach, it comes down to experience as well with certain injuries and familiarity with activities eg running, and having that trust and what works for you. Hope you're on the right road to sorting it anyway and you won't be out of normal training for too long. Maybe this can coincide with your planned <whisper it> "no racing" spell??

Hannibal Smith

Bungy Girl wrote: »

As Doc McStuffins would say: We have a diagnosis!

Well actually we don't yet but was at the osteopath today for a few clicks (all good) and mentioned the flabby abs syndrome to him. He had a poke around and is 99% convinced it's not muscular at all. Not sure if it'd be a breach of the forum rules to be giving myself a medical diagnosis on here so suffice it to say if he's right (and a quick Google search would seem to back his theory up) then I'll be going down the GP/tests/consultant/surgery route and be back in action in no time. Pretty sure I can continue to run up until then, just not very fast :rolleyes:. No more ice creams though

Sash I should be studying but having a sneaky lurk. So sorry to see you're injured. Sounds rough with the possibility of surgery! Hope you're on the mend soon. Im signed up for terenure...I could pace you through a slow 50 min race if you like? keep you safe?

RedRunner

BG...you have me confused I must confess! You have gone from PT to Osteo to a route which you say could run the route of GP/tests/consultant/surgery but be back in action in no time. So if it ended up in surgery how could you be sure to be back in action in no time??

Bungy Girl

laura_ac3 wrote: »

. Maybe this can coincide with your planned <whisper it> "no racing" spell??

Thanks Laura, and yes, I was thinking if it came to it I could do the base building a bit earlier than planned. But this issue may go into hibernation again as it did before which would be great because there's loads of races I want to do the next couple of months.

Hannibal Smith wrote: »

Sash I should be studying but having a sneaky lurk. So sorry to see you're injured. Sounds rough with the possibility of surgery! Hope you're on the mend soon. Im signed up for terenure...I could pace you through a slow 50 min race if you like? keep you safe?

Thanks HS, that's a very kind offer but I don't want to hold you back! Going for a test run today to see how it is and with luck it'll have calmed down enough to risk running the 5K in Cherryfield tomorrow. Any chance we'll see you there ???

Bungy Girl

RedRunner wrote: »

BG...you have me confused I must confess! You have gone from PT to Osteo to a route which you say could run the route of GP/tests/consultant/surgery but be back in action in no time. So if it ended up in surgery how could you be sure to be back in action in no time??

Ah it's easy to be confused past midnight

Thanks RR and sorry for the confusion. I suppose when I say back in action in no time, that's relative to the 6 years or so on and off I've put up with this issue without any definite answers as to what's causing it. If the theory put up by the osteo is correct then it's a medical issue (not a running one, even though fast running seems to be the trigger for a flare up) and it would be a relatively simple (and common) surgery with minimal recovery to fix it. Hence my excitement (and clearly getting ahead of myself :rolleyes:) at possibly having a solution rather than the prospect of just managing it If that makes sense .

RedRunner

Bungy Girl wrote: »

Ah it's easy to be confused past midnight

Thanks RR and sorry for the confusion. I suppose when I say back in action in no time, that's relative to the 6 years or so on and off I've put up with this issue without any definite answers as to what's causing it. If the theory put up by the osteo is correct then it's a medical issue (not a running one, even though fast running seems to be the trigger for a flare up) and it would be a relatively simple (and common) surgery with minimal recovery to fix it. Hence my excitement (and clearly getting ahead of myself :rolleyes:) at possibly having a solution rather than the prospect of just managing it If that makes sense .

Ah...now I understand. Well I really hope it sorts the issue out once and for all.

hillsiderunner

Bungy Girl wrote: »

I suppose when I say back in action in no time, that's relative to the 6 years or so on and off I've put up with this issue without any definite answers as to what's causing it. If the theory put up by the osteo is correct then it's a medical issue (not a running one, even though fast running seems to be the trigger for a flare up) and it would be a relatively simple (and common) surgery with minimal recovery to fix it

Ohhhh ... the lure of a simple fix instead of the ****wittage of managing it sounds lovely. Guess wait for the diagnosis though (just in case).

It is good that you are able to do most of the running even when it's giving problems

Bungy Girl

hillsiderunner wrote: »

Ohhhh ... the lure of a simple fix instead of the ****wittage of managing it sounds lovely. Guess wait for the diagnosis though (just in case).

It is good that you are able to do most of the running even when it's giving problems

Thanks Hilly, fingers crossed! I would be so happy to get to the bottom of it. Going to head out shortly to see how an easy run goes then take it from there.

annapr

Good luck with the easy run... Hope you have no issues, but don't be tempted to race tomorrow!

Bungy Girl

Saturday - Test Run

Wasn't hopeful for this having had max 5 hours sleep but forced myself out as much to test the new Garmin as the 'FlAbS'
Drove to Raheny to do the 5 mile route so I could check my own mile landmarks against the mile splits the Garmin threw up (turns out they were fairly similar but the course is short when you run it along the footpath as opposed to the road so I ran about 50m beyond the finish line to make up the 5 miles). This ended up being a progressive run to see how the FlAbS would react to different paces after 3 days rest. Happy to say they feel ok and any discomfort is localised and feels more like bruising from the treatment than anything more sinister.

• 5 miles (42:45) Splits 9:19, 8:51, 8:28, 8:12, 7:52

I will probably run the 5K tomorrow but keep it at a pace that doesn't aggravate the FlAbS and back off or stop if there's any recurrence. I promise

Firedance

Bungy Girl wrote: »

Saturday - Test Run

Wasn't hopeful for this having had max 5 hours sleep but forced myself out as much to test the new Garmin as the 'FlAbS'
Drove to Raheny to do the 5 mile route so I could check my own mile landmarks against the mile splits the Garmin threw up (turns out they were fairly similar but the course is short when you run it along the footpath as opposed to the road so I ran about 50m beyond the finish line to make up the 5 miles). This ended up being a progressive run to see how the FlAbS would react to different paces after 3 days rest. Happy to say they feel ok and any discomfort is localised and feels more like bruising from the treatment than anything more sinister.

• 5 miles (42:45) Splits 9:19, 8:51, 8:28, 8:12, 7:52

I will probably run the 5K tomorrow but keep it at a pace that doesn't aggravate the FlAbS and back off or stop if there's any recurrence. I promise

You're welcome to keep me company in the slow section :-) glad the test run went well! (and the watch was a success!!)

Bungy Girl

Firedance wrote: »

You're welcome to keep me company in the slow section :-) glad the test run went well! (and the watch was a success!!)

The watch is awesome! I love hear the gentle beep as the miles tick off. See you tomorrow.

annapr

Bungy Girl wrote: »

Saturday - Test Run

Wasn't hopeful for this having had max 5 hours sleep but forced myself out as much to test the new Garmin as the 'FlAbS'
Drove to Raheny to do the 5 mile route so I could check my own mile landmarks against the mile splits the Garmin threw up (turns out they were fairly similar but the course is short when you run it along the footpath as opposed to the road so I ran about 50m beyond the finish line to make up the 5 miles). This ended up being a progressive run to see how the FlAbS would react to different paces after 3 days rest. Happy to say they feel ok and any discomfort is localised and feels more like bruising from the treatment than anything more sinister.

• 5 miles (42:45) Splits 9:19, 8:51, 8:28, 8:12, 7:52

I will probably run the 5K tomorrow but keep it at a pace that doesn't aggravate the FlAbS and back off or stop if there's any recurrence. I promise

Jeez, your 5 miles easy would be a PB for me! Love your trust in the garmin

Good luck tomorrow, no speeding!

Dubgal72

+1 to the above...we trust in your familiarity with your internal organs have a good one and may the FlAbs do one....;)

Murph_D

You racing tomorrow? Where? Best of luck.

Bungy Girl

Murph_D wrote: »

You racing tomorrow? Where? Best of luck.

2nd round of the meet & train league in da Cru vest! Cherryfield Park. Won't be racing as FlAbS won't allow.

Greenmachine

Bungy Girl wrote: »

Saturday - Test Run

Wasn't hopeful for this having had max 5 hours sleep but forced myself out as much to test the new Garmin as the 'FlAbS'
Drove to Raheny to do the 5 mile route so I could check my own mile landmarks against the mile splits the Garmin threw up (turns out they were fairly similar but the course is short when you run it along the footpath as opposed to the road so I ran about 50m beyond the finish line to make up the 5 miles). This ended up being a progressive run to see how the FlAbS would react to different paces after 3 days rest. Happy to say they feel ok and any discomfort is localised and feels more like bruising from the treatment than anything more sinister.

• 5 miles (42:45) Splits 9:19, 8:51, 8:28, 8:12, 7:52

I will probably run the 5K tomorrow but keep it at a pace that doesn't aggravate the FlAbS and back off or stop if there's any recurrence. I promise

Talk about keeping something in the tank, every subsequent mile getting faster. 7:52 mile 5 miles in looks reallly nice. Will your 5k be at a harder pace?

Bungy Girl

Sunday – Womens Meet & Train league Rd 2 (Cherryfield Park 5K)

Was in two minds about running this right up until 5 minutes before the off. Warm up (at a snail’s pace) was uncomfortable but a did a couple of strides and felt good so decided to risk it for a biscuit and drop out if it got too much. Started near the back and ran it at a comfortably hard pace. Felt pretty good throughout and the splits were fairly even given the course (some hills, half of it off-road and some strong wind). Had to stop to tie my shoelace and wasn’t bothered = proof of not speeding . Glad I ran and that the FlAbS didn't raise its ugly head but don’t think I’ll be in any shape to race Terenure in a week so might have to rethink the next few weeks’ schedule until the FlAbS is back in its box.

• 4.2 miles incl. 5K ‘tempo’ @ (7:30, 7:28, 7:40 mile splits)

Did a recovery run home from the in-laws early evening. FlAbS at me a bit. Down with this sort of thing!

• 22:00 (2.4 miles)

TOTAL WEEKLY MILES: 24:rolleyes:

annapr

That still looks like a good 5k time? And weekly mileage too, considering...

Hope there's no delayed reaction... Keep taking it easy!

Firedance

Bungy Girl wrote: »

Sunday – Womens Meet & Train league Rd 2 (Cherryfield Park 5K)

• 4.2 miles incl. 5K ‘tempo’ @ (7:30, 7:28, 7:40 mile splits)
  
  
  TOTAL WEEKLY MILES: 24:rolleyes:

Ha ha love it, those are your non race paces!! One day.... Well done again and as you've said there will be other 5 milers if you don't make terenure - the one we were discussing might not be as flat tho.

Bungy Girl

Firedance wrote: »

the one we were discussing might not be as flat tho.

When you say 'not flat'....? Major hills or just bumpy ?

How are you feeling now after yesterday - recovered ?

Firedance

Bungy Girl wrote: »

When you say 'not flat'....? Major hills or just bumpy ?

How are you feeling now after yesterday - recovered ?

it is advertised as a flat left handed course but the road surface is back country roads V terenure nice wide smooth surface, there are a couple of drags but no hills as such.

Bungy Girl

Monday – Easy Run

Had a rare opportunity to get out for a run on a midweek afternoon, so was gone like a shot before anyone could change their mind. FlAbS were acting up for the first mile but eased off then and I enjoyed the rest of the run at a leisurely pace around Donnycarney, Killester and Griffith Ave.

• 5 miles (9:16, 9:00, 8:56, 9:04, 8:54)

Not going to make a decision on the Terenure 5 until I see the doc later this week and get his advice (or some awesome drugs )

adrian522

Surely if you can run 5 miles on Monday, you can run 5 miles on Sunday?

annapr

adrian522 wrote: »

Surely if you can run 5 miles on Monday, you can run 5 miles on Sunday?

she can run 5 miles, but can she resist racing 5 miles.. that's the question!

adrian522

I'm not sure the doctor will give an answer on that one either.

Bungy Girl

adrian522 wrote: »

I'm not sure the doctor will give an answer on that one either.

He might, if he can figure out what's going on!

I'm like a yo yo trying to decide whether or not to do this. I know I can jog 5 miles no problem and probably do some sort of threshold effort without discomfort but the main reason I signed up for this race was to follow the sub 35 pacer to get on that (damn) table and if I don't make it due to a flare up I know I'll be disappointed. It might be easier to just go for a nice long run instead and have another go at the 5 miles later on in the year.

Bungy Girl

Tuesday – Easy Run

Had to split this up into two short runs due to time constraints so ended up being 2 + 2 instead of the 4 on the plan. Not sure how much difference that really makes when the runs are quite short? Presumably it’s better to do just the one as scheduled but I’m sure 2 short is better than 0. Less gyp out of the FlAbs today. Getting there….

• 4 miles total (9:16, 9:08 + 9:13, 8:50)

I love my Garmin!

Dubgal72

Bungy Girl wrote: »

Tuesday – Easy Run

Had to split this up into two short runs due to time constraints so ended up being 2 + 2 instead of the 4 on the plan. Not sure how much difference that really makes when the runs are quite short? Presumably it’s better to do just the one as scheduled but I’m sure 2 short is better than 0. Less gyp out of the FlAbs today. Getting there….

• 4 miles total (9:16, 9:08 + 9:13, 8:50)

FYP

Bungy Girl

Dubgal72 wrote: »

FYP

I love my Garmin!

(you missed a bit...):D

Firedance

Bungy Girl wrote: »

I love my Garmin!

(you missed a bit...):D

Ha ha haaa! Sorry dubgal, we are the Borg, BG has been assimilated - you're next :-) :-)

laura_ac3

Firedance wrote: »

Ha ha haaa! Sorry dubgal, we are the Borg, BG has been assimilated - you're next :-) :-)

Resistance is futile :eek:

annapr

laura_ac3 wrote: »

Resistance is futile :eek:

WE WILL GARMIN-ATE

Dubgal72

*dah de dah de dah dah DAH* I-got-my-fingers-in-my-ears-and-can't-hear a-thing-and-we'll-say-nothing-of-my-stopwatch-splits-on-Tuesday-the-slippery-slope

Bungy Girl

Wednesday – S&C / Intervals

First time in two weeks there wasn’t a peep out of the FlAbs all day so I decided to do a session to see how everything would hold up. First into the gym for 20 minutes (upper body, lunges, some core) then Pilates class. All good.

Such a perfect evening for running. Plan was for 8 x 400m at 5K pace off 90 seconds recovery. So I was thinking 1:41 or a little slower as it was on grass. That’s based off my Jingle Bells PB which I still think is an anomaly so in reality I was going to be happy with splits under 1:44. I was delighted, as a self-confessed technophobe, to have apparently figured out how to manage this session seamlessly on the Garmin…..turns out the running was the easy bit :rolleyes:. I had even RTFM’d and changed it into Kms (the unit of the Devil :eek:). Warmed up to within 400m of the Wooden Bridge (pre-measured, old habits die hard) then hit the lap button but it was throwing up all sorts of crazy numbers at me, then I managed to stop it completely like a big dunce, so the first lap was a bust. Reset it and got lap time for the other 7 which were surprisingly consistent and faster than expected given that half of them were into the wind. So D minus for me on my Garmin operating skills (the honeymoon is over ) but A plus for the session which felt great to be honest. No FlAbs and felt strong.

• 5.3 miles including 8 x 400m (1:38-1:40 pace) off 90-100 seconds recovery

Rest day tomorrow and will see the doc to hopefully get some answers re the FlAbs. Still on the fence about Terenure but after that session I’m leaning towards doing it. But will probably change my mind. Again.

libelula

Sounds like your head is in good racing form, if you're ok physically I'd be tempted to go for it

annapr

agree... go for it, you can always dial back on the day depending on how you are feeling...

Firedance

annapr wrote: »

agree... go for it, you can always dial back on the day depending on how you are feeling...

+ 1 to this

Murph_D

A lot of people on here will tell you the Garmin is only good as a stopwatch on that kind is session, as 400 reps are too short to get good average distance and pace readings out of the watch. So it's a good idea to have premeasured your 400, as you did, just hitting the lap button to record the splits. Great session!

Bungy Girl

libelula wrote: »

Sounds like your head is in good racing form, if you're ok physically I'd be tempted to go for it

annapr wrote: »

agree... go for it, you can always dial back on the day depending on how you are feeling...

Firedance wrote: »

+ 1 to this

Thanks ladies! I'm on a bit of a buzz now after that session so the plan will be to start with the 35 pacer and abandon if/when necessary.

Bungy Girl

Murph_D wrote: »

A lot of people on here will tell you the Garmin is only good as a stopwatch on that kind is session, as 400 reps are too short to get good average distance and pace readings out of the watch. So it's a good idea to have premeasured your 400, as you did, just hitting the lap button to record the splits. Great session!

Yup I had head that before all right, so got the gmaps out beforehand and measured from the wooden bridge back to the second green shelter along the grass path as 400m. Just as well :rolleyes: I don't think it's possible on the lap function to get current pace anyway, just average (Forerunner 10). Would that be right ?

Delighted with the session, thanks. Looks like you're on for a great 26.2 in a few weeks, everything seems to be coming together nicely.

Firedance

Bungy Girl wrote: »

Yup I had head that before all right, so got the gmaps out beforehand and measured from the wooden bridge back to the second green shelter along the grass path as 400m. Just as well :rolleyes: I don't think it's possible on the lap function to get current pace anyway, just average (Forerunner 10). Would that be right ?

Delighted with the session, thanks. Looks like you're on for a great 26.2 in a few weeks, everything seems to be coming together nicely.

it will display your current pace as you are running, when you look a your splits though that's an average pace per lap. When you upload to garmin connect (:eek:) that's where the fun bit starts and you can see your fastest pace per lap. But as murph says over those short distances they're less accurate.

Bungy Girl

Firedance wrote: »

When you upload to garmin connect (:eek:)

Baby steps...

Thanks FD, I should be paying you for tech support!

RedRunner

Firedance wrote: »

it will display your current pace as you are running, when you look a your splits though that's an average pace per lap. When you upload to garmin connect (:eek:) that's where the fun bit starts and you can see your fastest pace per lap. But as murph says over those short distances they're less accurate.

I think you can turn off/disable the GPS for the shorter reps and the splits become more accurate, especially if you are running on a track.

Bungy Girl

RedRunner wrote: »

I think you can turn off/disable the GPS for the shorter reps and the splits become more accurate, especially if you are running on a track.

Thanks RR. I think I wouldn't bother with a Garmin on the track seeing as the distance is a given. And, as I realised last night, it seems you're better off just concentrating on running the shorter intervals than getting pace readings that are continually changing. Once I master Garmin Connect though I'll probably be all about the stats retrospectively and patting myself on the back for holding 6 min mile pace for 2 seconds :rolleyes:

Murph_D

RedRunner wrote: »

I think you can turn off/disable the GPS for the shorter reps and the splits become more accurate, especially if you are running on a track.

No need to turn off the gps surely - just hit the lap button every time at end of every lap and you have your split per 400, regardless of how the gps measured it.