TD claims gardaí involved in drugs trade

tayto lover

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Fine Gael, the political party, were found guilty of tax evasion not that long ago.

Have you a link to that. I'd be interested in reading it. Thanks

Dempsey

tayto lover wrote: »

So you are happy having tax cheats in the Dail pointing out the failures and wrongs of others.
Would you vote for Bertie if he runs again?

When you find someone with this magical 'clear record', let us all know because its probably appearing clear because you havent dug deep enough.

I dont mind Mick Wallace at all. He's asking the questions that nobody else is asking and the government trying every trick not to answer. I'd much rather that than someone with a clear record but doesnt know his arse from his elbow.

As for the Bertie strawman argument :rolleyes:

DamagedTrax

tayto lover wrote: »

Have you a link to that. I'd be interested in reading it. Thanks

yup, me too.

DeanAustin

Pocoyo wrote: »

Open training,A clear out of senior gardai that enabled proven cover ups for other gardai and family member,adequate training in conflict resolution and reporting of crimes etc.

That seems half sensible but it doesn't sound like "reform from the ground up" to me or something that would solve the problems of an "utterly corrupt" police force. But maybe that's because your post prior to the above post was a little hyperbolic.

Tinkersbell

tayto lover wrote: »

Have you a link to that. I'd be interested in reading it. Thanks

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Firish-news%2Ffear-of-expos-forced-noonans-tax-admission-26248623.html&ei=jVaLVIr0GoSM7Ab0w4GgCg&usg=AFQjCNE27rBK4lb6eFktA83HuCOrHPbmYg&bvm=bv.81828268,d.ZGU

Valetta

Tinkersbell wrote: »

You do understand what 'limited' means?
As in 'xxxxxx company limited'

That in no way answers my question.

tayto lover

Dempsey wrote: »

When you find someone with this magical 'clear record', let us all know because its probably appearing clear because you havent dug deep enough.

I dont mind Mick Wallace at all. He's asking the questions that nobody else is asking and the government trying every trick not to answer. I'd much rather that than someone with a clear record but doesnt know his arse from his elbow.

As for the Bertie strawman argument :rolleyes:

Not meant to be a strawman argument at all.
One chancer is as bad as the next.
I haven't even read the article because as soon as I saw Wallace's name I stopped reading. I just can't stand his type i.e. people who do wrong and then point out other wrong-doers.

Pocoyo

Valetta wrote: »

That in no way answers my question.

Guy!!!

FFS GUY..... :rolleyes: Bahaha im obviously a sexist animal.

Tinkersbell

Valetta wrote: »

That in no way answers my question.

Maybe you could rephrase the question.

While you're at it, maybe you could explain how using the word 'guy' is being sexist?

Dempsey

tayto lover wrote: »

Not meant to be a strawman argument at all.
One chancer is as bad as the next.
I haven't even read the article because as soon as I saw Wallace's name I stopped reading. I just can't stand his type i.e. people who do wrong and then point out other wrong-doers.

Ignoring a problem just because of the person asking has been the policy of governments going back to the inception of the state. Your stance is no better than all those you wish to see turfed out of the dail.

Valetta

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Maybe you could rephrase the question.

While you're at it, maybe you could explain how using the word 'guy' is being sexist?

My question was very clear.

Tinkersbell

Valetta wrote: »

My question was very clear.

Not to me.

Maybe you could give it some context?

Pocoyo

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Maybe you could rephrase the question.

While you're at it, maybe you could explain how using the word 'guy' is being sexist?

Ah sure im a dissident isis terrorist for supporting the protest im a dole sponger even though i work 45 hours a week and now im sexist for using the word guy.



This place is gone tail up.

Muahahaha

Tinkersbell wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Firish-news%2Ffear-of-expos-forced-noonans-tax-admission-26248623.html&ei=jVaLVIr0GoSM7Ab0w4GgCg&usg=AFQjCNE27rBK4lb6eFktA83HuCOrHPbmYg&bvm=bv.81828268,d.ZGU

Id forgotten about FGs own tax evasion, means they are in no position to be criticising Mick Wallace tbh. Them or FF.

Valetta

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Not to me.

Maybe you could give it some context?

It was a direct reply to your post, so you gave the context.

tayto lover

Dempsey wrote: »

Ignoring a problem just because of the person asking has been the policy of governments going back to the inception of the state. Your stance is no better than all those you wish to see turfed out of the dail.

Rubbish.
Wallace is a hypocrite and I hate hypocrites.
Don't like corrupt garda but them being pointed out by a scavenger like Wallace does me no good.

Dempsey

tayto lover wrote: »

Rubbish.
Wallace is a hypocrite and I hate hypocrites.
Don't like corrupt garda but them being pointed out by a scavenger like Wallace does me no good.

You put your principles before solving a problem. Good for you.

tayto lover

Dempsey wrote: »

You put your principles before solving a problem. Good for you.

Yeah because the problem was diluted imo by the fact that Wallace was highlighting it. When he pays us back the 2 million I'll read it.

Little CuChulainn

Muahahaha wrote: »

thousands of Gardai are doing penalty points favours for friends and family.

Are you for real? I stated that Daly released thousands of names and you said prove it yet you use the exact same claim to back up your view? So to recount your hypocritical view. You think it's a disgrace that Clare Dalys arrest was in the media yet you have no issue with her releasing information on thousands of drivers who have done nothing wrong. glad to clear that up.

AboutaWeekAgo

The faux outrage about Mick Wallace is quite funny. Listen to what's being said, not who's saying it.

I've been saying it for years but a huge inquiry needs to happen with the Gardai. You might say it's only a few bad apples but more and more cases keep coming to light and it's can't be the same few doing it all.

Turtyturd

tayto lover wrote: »

Rubbish.
Wallace is a hypocrite and I hate hypocrites.
Don't like corrupt garda but them being pointed out by a scavenger like Wallace does me no good.

That's a strange stance.


If your house was burgled and the stuff sold would you have an issue with the person who bought it telling the Gards who they got it from....or is it restricted to Wallace?

Valetta

AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

The faux outrage about Mick Wallace is quite funny. Listen to what's being said, not who's saying it.

I've been saying it for years but a huge inquiry needs to happen with the Gardai. You might say it's only a few bad apples but more and more cases keep coming to light and it's can't be the same few doing it all.

The credibility of who's making allegations is critical.

Whether it be Mick Wallace or AboutaWeekAgo.

Dempsey

tayto lover wrote: »

Yeah because the problem was diluted imo by the fact that Wallace was highlighting it. When he pays us back the 2 million I'll read it.

Thinly veiled small mindedness if you ask me

The guards can go on being corrupt until this dies down and someone besides Wallace starts questioning it. Laughable really.

tayto lover

Turtyturd wrote: »

That's a strange stance.


If your house was burgled and the stuff sold would you have an issue with the person who bought it telling the Gards who they got it from....or is it restricted to Wallace?

Not a fitting analogy.

More like "He's a criminal but i'm a decent criminal".

Little CuChulainn

Dempsey wrote: »

Thinly veiled small mindedness if you ask me

The guards can go on being corrupt until this dies down and someone besides Wallace starts questioning it. Laughable really.

Alternatively he could present some actual evidence.

Dempsey

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Alternatively he could present some actual evidence.

I think you were playing that tune with the penalty point scandal was first mooted in the Dail

Tinkersbell

tayto lover wrote: »

Rubbish.
Wallace is a hypocrite and I hate hypocrites.
Don't like corrupt garda but them being pointed out by a scavenger like Wallace does me no good.

I hope we're not getting into 'attack the whistleblower' territory......

Valetta

Tinkersbell wrote: »

I hope we're not getting into 'attack the whistleblower' territory......

Wallace isn't a whistleblower.

tayto lover

Tinkersbell wrote: »

I hope we're not getting into 'attack the whistleblower' territory......

The Whistleblowers have nothing corrupt against them. Wallace has.

Tinkersbell

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Are you for real? I stated that Daly released thousands of names and you said prove it yet you use the exact same claim to back up your view? So to recount your hypocritical view. You think it's a disgrace that Clare Dalys arrest was in the media yet you have no issue with her releasing information on thousands of drivers who have done nothing wrong. glad to clear that up.

How many points did Wallace get on his license that time?
You know, the time the FG MoJ, on live TV, blurted out the gossip given to him by the commissioner...

Tinkersbell

Valetta wrote: »

It was a direct reply to your post, so you gave the context.

Sorry, still don't understand your question.

Valetta

Tinkersbell wrote: »

How many points did Wallace get on his license that time?
You know, the time the FG MoJ, on live TV, blurted out the gossip given to him by the commissioner...

None. Because there was no offence committed.

Pocoyo

Valetta wrote: »

None. Because there was no offence committed.

I dont have a clue what you are on about at all at this stage.

Little CuChulainn

Dempsey wrote: »

I think you were playing that tune with the penalty point scandal was first mooted in the Dail

Aside from all the false shock displayed by everyone, which was amusing at best, the legislative and procedural ignorance displayed by almost everyone involved was mind blowing. Then when you look at the blatant disregard for all data protection laws, merely because it suited an agenda, it was evident that everything to do with that "scandal" was going to be lip service.

Valetta

Pocoyo wrote: »

I dont have a clue what you are on about at all at this stage.

Not surprised.

Dempsey

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Aside from all the false shock displayed by everyone, which was amusing at best, the legislative and procedural ignorance displayed by almost everyone involved was mind blowing. Then when you look at the blatant disregard for all data protection laws, merely because it suited an agenda, it was evident that everything to do with that "scandal" was going to be lip service.

Your agenda is well noted at this stage. I couldnt be arsed talking to you further

Tinkersbell

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Aside from all the false shock displayed by everyone, which was amusing at best, the legislative and procedural ignorance displayed by almost everyone involved was mind blowing. Then when you look at the blatant disregard for all data protection laws, merely because it suited an agenda, it was evident that everything to do with that "scandal" was going to be lip service.

You are talking about Alan Shatter's little rant on national TV here, aren't you?

tayto lover

Tinkersbell wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Firish-news%2Ffear-of-expos-forced-noonans-tax-admission-26248623.html&ei=jVaLVIr0GoSM7Ab0w4GgCg&usg=AFQjCNE27rBK4lb6eFktA83HuCOrHPbmYg&bvm=bv.81828268,d.ZGU

Can't believe the opposition didn't make hay out of this.
Hadn't even heard this before.

Little CuChulainn

Dempsey wrote: »

Your agenda is well noted at this stage. I couldnt be arsed talking to you further

I'll do my best to get over it.

gene_slackman

Bongalongherb wrote: »

I just picked up 2 dozen of apples in the supermarket earlier, and there was 2 bad apples.

In regards to Gardai involved in the drugs trade, you are always going to get the odd bad apple, it's just a part of life. They will eventually be thrown out just like these 2 bad apples here.

FFS

after all the scandal which has emerged in recent years , how anyone can still swallow that cliche ( few bad apples ) is beyond me

Tinkersbell

tayto lover wrote: »

Can't believe the opposition didn't make hay out of this.
Hadn't even heard this before.

Maybe the opposition have better things to do.;)

gene_slackman

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

People who are stopped for traffic offences and have a smell of alcohol on their breath, then fail to give a roadside sample are regularly cuffed and placed in a cell for hours.

how do you know she failed to comply with roadside requests ?

the bottom line is she was proven to have been nowhere near over the limit

Pocoyo

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I'll do my best to get over it.

How do you always end up on being on the side of institutions and government at the expense of the weak and public,
are you aware of the many corruption scandals???


How?

Do you not read the papers?

Are you george hooks biggest fan or whats going on?

tayto lover

Tinkersbell wrote: »

Maybe the opposition have better things to do.;)

Maybe they're afraid of rocking the boat in case their own stuff is brought up.;)

gene_slackman

Muahahaha wrote: »

Well I think how corrupt AGS actually is has been pretty well establised at this stage. The general public see them that way, maybe you've got the blinkers on but when thousands of Gardai are doing penalty points favours for friends and family then it can hardly be surprising when the general public view them as corrupt. Not only that but there are several deaths as a result of Gardai wiping points, Wallace and Daly read these cases onto the Dail record where Gardai removed numerous points offences from the same licences and the drivers later went on to kill people on our roads. There are familes grieving for deceased loved ones this Christmas as a direct consequence of Garda cirruption. So tbh I don't really care what you think about Mick Wallace or Clare Daly, I don;t agree with their politics but I have huge respect for the superb job they did in exposing a corrupt Garda force that sees innocent civilians lose their lives, You should be proud of them too, as should all Irish people IMO.



For sure, and certain journalists have made entire careers out of the leaks. I reckon its pretty accurate to say that AGS is the most leaky institution in the entire state, with out their leaks the Sunday World would be about four pages long !



Or the Kerry babies scandal or even the unresolved murder of Father Niall Molloy where it seems the Gardai and the DoJ are doing their very best to protect a very high ranking politican from being accused of his murder. The toxic baton of corruption goes on and on with AGS.

disagree with you on one thing

the general public have an unjustifiably possitive view of AGS but this is down to the media endlessly eulogising them down the years and also the fact that most people have little dealings with them

my dealings with them first arrived when i found myself in a relatively small dispute with a blow in to my area ( more than a decade ago ) who happened to have connections high up in the force , he was not a guard himself but could make the guards do everything and anything for him , up to and including making life very difficult for me , the local guards knew he was up to no good but simply took orders from up the chain

same guy drove a northern reg merc and drove without tax , guards ignored these two offenses but that was the least of it

gene_slackman

Valetta wrote: »

Wallace isn't a whistleblower.

he is someone who gave the whistleblowers a public voice

Bongalongherb

gene_slackman wrote: »

FFS

after all the scandal which has emerged in recent years , how anyone can still swallow that cliche ( few bad apples ) is beyond me

Do you honestly think that the majority of Gardai are bad apples ? I tend to differ, most gards are decent and go by the oath they took to 'protect'. Your analogy from your comment seems to say that all of your 12 apples in the bag are bad...in that case you have wasted your comment, because that is never the case in reality.

Little CuChulainn

gene_slackman wrote: »

how do you know she failed to comply with roadside requests ?

the bottom line is she was proven to have been nowhere near over the limit

It was reported at the time. The bottom line is she downed a whiskey before driving and then made an illegal turn in front of a Garda. She then failed to give a roadside sample, although the reason for this was not reported so it may not have been a refusal, and was subsequently arrested and brought to the station to provide a more accurate sample. This is completely normal in every way.

h2005

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

It was reported at the time. The bottom line is she downed a whiskey before driving and then made an illegal turn in front of a Garda. She then failed to give a roadside sample, although the reason for this was not reported so it may not have been a refusal, and was subsequently arrested and brought to the station to provide a more accurate sample. This is completely normal in every way.

Is leaking the story completely normal too?

Little CuChulainn

h2005 wrote: »

Is leaking the story completely normal too?

Yeah, politicians leak stories all the time.